Coup played part in stagnant economy, says Abhisit

[williamgeorgeallen]

9 hours ago, dbrenn said:

What a disgraceful charlatan this man is. He caused the coup in the first place. 

ha ha, not sue if he caused it but he certainly  backed it  probably thing power was going to be handed over to him after a few weeks. economic growth being reported at around 3% which is quite respectable in the current world economic climate. are these reports a lie?

[kingkenny]

I have zero respect for this person, I won't call him a man, a man has balls (as do many 'ladies' here). He was gifted the power he could not win in a free election then either ordered the slaughter of protesters  or was complicit in a cover up afterwards.

[Hereinthailand]

3% growth is at the bottom of asean,

[Becker]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

That is your vision.. thankfully many don't agree with it and see YL and hers as the problem. 

 

Thank god we live in a free world where we can decide what we think. 

But unfortunately Thailand is not a free country and people are forbidden to publicly critizice the junta or have a say im who should be running the country.

Agree?

[robblok]

But unfortunately Thailand is not a free country and people are forbidden to publicly critizice the junta or have a say im who should be running the country.
Agree?

I wonder then what all the post on thaivisa criticising the junta are. I do agree about the voting part.

[nong38]

6 hours ago, robblok said:

Problem is who is going to pay for permanent welfare and who is going to check if people are not defrauding.. that is hard enough in countries where we can track income streams easy.. impossible in  Thailand where you can move your assets around and put them in name of your gardener. 

 

Its a nice thought.. welfare.. but far to expensive and not to mention the opportunities for fraud. Maybe they should charge the farang pensioners to pay for this scheme.. wonder how many would still support it then. Its always easy to think of schemes.. a lot harder to finance them..the ones paying for it are never happy about it (with good reason). The tax base in Thailand is not big enough for this. Maybe if they spend less on the farmers and the army it could be done. 

All welfare systems seem affordable before they start then they run out of control and consume ever larger amounts of money.

So no more submarines, aircraft carriers full of invisible planes and state of the urt bomb detectors, lets look again at this next year.

[Becker]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

I wonder then what all the post on thaivisa criticising the junta are. I do agree about the voting part.

Being able to post junta critical opinions in English on a forum where few Thai people ever participate does not mean there is freedom of expression in Thailand, but you know this already.

Edited April 15, 2017 by Becker

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, Becker said:

Being able to post junta critical opinions in English on a forum where few Thai people ever participate does not mean there is freedom of expression in Thailand, but you know this already.

No I don't know that I am pretty sure there is plenty of critical opinion on Thai forums too. I have yet to read about normal forum users and normal people getting put in jail. We are not talking about political activists those are a different breed

[JAG]

I wonder then what all the post on thaivisa criticising the junta are. I do agree about the voting part.

Theyre not the Thai people are they. They, so far leave us alone because what we may say has no impact whatsoever on Thai public opinion. Try saying it on a domestic Thai forum and see how long you last!

[Becker]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

No I don't know that I am pretty sure there is plenty of critical opinion on Thai forums too. I have yet to read about normal forum users and normal people getting put in jail. We are not talking about political activists those are a different breed

They're a different breed??? What do you mean? If a person has strong opinions a wishes to express them (let's use the students who wanted to focus attention on a certain park as an example) it's OK to intimidate and jail them?

Edited April 15, 2017 by Becker

[Ricardo]

I suspect that Thailand's GDP  is still growing faster than most farang countries are, but the long-term attitude towards foreigners & investment makes me reluctant to ever consider setting something up here, and it doesn't matter who is currently in-charge.

 

Face it, the glory days of the early 2000s aren't returning, simply because the rest-of-the-world isn't growing at the old rate, anymore. Even China is struggling to grow at half the old rate.

 

But politicians always took the credit, when things were going well, and look to deflect it now, when they're just going reasonably well.

[robblok]

13 hours ago, Becker said:

They're a different breed??? What do you mean? If a person has strong opinions a wishes to express them (let's use the students who wanted to focus attention on a certain park as an example) it's OK to intimidate and jail them?

What i am saying is that if your posting at a public forum you are going to be ok but if your going to draw media attention to yourself you probably are not going to be ok. 

 

I never said it was ok, i said that normal people can complain.. activists.. that is a different story they take things to extremes and get in trouble. I don't say its a good thing but I stated before that normal people don't have much problems expressing themselves.

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts have been removed. 

[robblok]

42 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

I suspect that Thailand's GDP  is still growing faster than most farang countries are, but the long-term attitude towards foreigners & investment makes me reluctant to ever consider setting something up here, and it doesn't matter who is currently in-charge.

 

Face it, the glory days of the early 2000s aren't returning, simply because the rest-of-the-world isn't growing at the old rate, anymore. Even China is struggling to grow at half the old rate.

 

But politicians always took the credit, when things were going well, and look to deflect it now, when they're just going reasonably well.

That is always the way in reality there is not much you can do when the wold economy is not going your way. You see it in every country not just Thailand.. taking credit when its going well (usually the world economy is going well then too) and saying its not their fault when the world economy is going bad. I have yet to see many examples of countries going well when the world economy is going bad. 

 

This being said.. there is a bit they can do of course.. but its not like you can change a 3% increase to a 6% one.. you might be able to increase it by a percent up and down (by doing a bad or a good job)

[Ricardo]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

 

This being said.. there is a bit they can do of course.. but its not like you can change a 3% increase to a 6% one.. you might be able to increase it by a percent up and down (by doing a bad or a good job)

 

Quite  ...  a bit of Keynsian government-spending can sometimes help, but mostly if its into things which generate a a real economic-return for the country longer-term, improved transport-infrastructure like the track-doubling or 3rd-runway rather than submarines or tanks.

 

And a more-welcoming attitude to foreign-investment, loosening the restrictions on foreigners and being willing to let them share more in the benefits of their investments, rather than giving the impression that they're not really wanted or needed ?

 

But at the end of the day it's up to Thais & Thailand (especially the political & economic elite), whether they perceive the need for foreign expertise, or prefer to accept a lower growth-rate and remain in total control.  I suspect the latter.

 

 

[saakura]

Coup played part in stagnant economy, says Abhisit.

 

And Abhisit played a big part is supporting the coup.

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

Quite  ...  a bit of Keynsian government-spending can sometimes help, but mostly if its into things which generate a a real economic-return for the country longer-term, improved transport-infrastructure like the track-doubling or 3rd-runway rather than submarines or tanks.

 

And a more-welcoming attitude to foreign-investment, loosening the restrictions on foreigners and being willing to let them share more in the benefits of their investments, rather than giving the impression that they're not really wanted or needed ?

 

But at the end of the day it's up to Thais & Thailand (especially the political & economic elite), whether they perceive the need for foreign expertise, or prefer to accept a lower growth-rate and remain in total control.  I suspect the latter.

 

 

Yes I agree.. with good investments they can change things around.. but most politicians dont do that because it takes time for those plans to complete and then will benefit future governments not theirs. 

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, saakura said:

Coup played part in stagnant economy, says Abhisit.

 

And Abhisit played a big part is supporting the coup.

And Thaksins amnesty is what started it all.. without it probably no coup.

[saakura]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

And Thaksins amnesty is what started it all.. without it probably no coup.

And he could or should have been booted out in the next election as is done the world over in good democracies.

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, saakura said:

And he could or should have been booted out in the next election as is done the world over in good democracies.

Winning an election should not mean you can overturn laws and convictions of criminals like him.. its just not done. His arrogance is what caused.. or at least enabled the coup.

[Becker]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

What i am saying is that if your posting at a public forum you are going to be ok but if your going to draw media attention to yourself you probably are not going to be ok. 

 

I never said it was ok, i said that normal people can complain.. activists.. that is a different story they take things to extremes and get in trouble. I don't say its a good thing but I stated before that normal people don't have much problems expressing themselves.

You tie yourself into a knot here trying to make it sound like there's anything resembling freedom of expression in Thailand. Obviously, that's not true.

[Becker]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Winning an election should not mean you can overturn laws and convictions of criminals like him.. its just not done. His arrogance is what caused.. or at least enabled the coup.

As you know there have been lots of coups in Thailand. The coup makers always find an excuse for their treasonous actions. And if they don't have one they'll invent one.

The thing that enables a steady stream of coups in Thailand is the fact that the armed forces are controlled by a political faction, not by elected representatives.

[elgordo38]

On 4/15/2017 at 1:27 PM, brucec64 said:

This was predicted in 2014 in an Economist article.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/10/thailands-economy

The article predicted that loss of investment and gdp growth would cost Thailand 20 to 30 billion usd over 3 years. So far, the article has been spot on. The coup cost much more than even the inflated estimates of the cost of the rice scheme.

Good job junta!

Sent from my SM-J710F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

And the truth shall set you free?? I doubt if this filters down to the ordinary Thai. 

[robblok]

2 hours ago, Becker said:

As you know there have been lots of coups in Thailand. The coup makers always find an excuse for their treasonous actions. And if they don't have one they'll invent one.

The thing that enables a steady stream of coups in Thailand is the fact that the armed forces are controlled by a political faction, not by elected representatives.

The coup was widely supported.. why because of the amnesty and other abusue of power of YL the puppet PM. Had this not been the case there would not have been widespread support. It would not have been as easy as it has been now. YL and Thaksin enabled this if you dont want to admit it your too much in love with them. 

[tomta]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

The coup was widely supported.. why because of the amnesty and other abusue of power of YL the puppet PM. Had this not been the case there would not have been widespread support. It would not have been as easy as it has been now. YL and Thaksin enabled this if you dont want to admit it your too much in love with them. 

The election was also widely supported. Just by the wrong people who are deemed by those who supported the coup as too gullible, too stupid and too uneducated to be trusted with making the right decision. Ultimately, whatever arguments pro and con Thaksin might be mustered, that's what it boils down to.

 

[Becker]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

The coup was widely supported.. why because of the amnesty and other abusue of power of YL the puppet PM. Had this not been the case there would not have been widespread support. It would not have been as easy as it has been now. YL and Thaksin enabled this if you dont want to admit it your too much in love with them. 

How do you know that the coup was widely supported? Or did you perhaps forget the following qualifier:

The coup was widely supported..in Bangkok.

 

Here's an easy question for you:

How can you, (presumably) without feeling very foolish, harp on endlessly about the failed amnesty attempt when the first thing your junta did was give themselves one??

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, Becker said:

How do you know that the coup was widely supported? Or did you perhaps forget the following qualifier:

The coup was widely supported..in Bangkok.

 

Here's an easy question for you:

How can you, (presumably) without feeling very foolish, harp on endlessly about the failed amnesty attempt when the first thing your junta did was give themselves one??

The junta was forced into action.. Thaksin was not he broke the law.. bribed judges and has a whole load of other charges including one where co defendants got up to 18 years in jail waiting for him.

 

How can you without feeling really foolish defend such a criminal and accept a government that is his puppet giving him such an amnesty. 

 

The coup was also widely supported outside Bangkok.. the red dogs of war killed quite a few people and some kids in Trad where there also was an meeting against the government. Just mentioning it so you don't forget that there were other places where they supported the disposal of the YL government.

 

[Becker]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

The junta was forced into action.. Thaksin was not he broke the law.. bribed judges and has a whole load of other charges including one where co defendants got up to 18 years in jail waiting for him.

 

How can you without feeling really foolish defend such a criminal and accept a government that is his puppet giving him such an amnesty. 

 

The coup was also widely supported outside Bangkok.. the red dogs of war killed quite a few people and some kids in Trad where there also was an meeting against the government. Just mentioning it so you don't forget that there were other places where they supported the disposal of the YL government.

 

The junta was forced into action???? Not according to Suthep, or have you conveniently forgotten how he admitted the whole charade was planned a long time ago?

 

I have never defended Thaksin (and you are most welcome to prove me wrong) but I do defend the Thai people's right to elect their own leaders, even if it's the Devil himself (for some reason some of you junta fanboys have bought the junta line that that's who Thaksin is).

Regarding the failed amnesty bid? Here's a bit of news for you; it failed. Much unlike the junta's own self-declared one, remember?

 

Again, you throw out unsubstantiated claims about the wide support of the coup. You have absolutely no way of knowing how large a percentage of the population supported the coup. Neither do I, but I say let the Thai people ASAP have their say in referendum for or against return to civilian rule in which people are allowed to say what they think publicly without having to worry about going to jail for it.

Do you agree?

[robblok]

22 minutes ago, Becker said:

The junta was forced into action???? Not according to Suthep, or have you conveniently forgotten how he admitted the whole charade was planned a long time ago?

 

I have never defended Thaksin (and you are most welcome to prove me wrong) but I do defend the Thai people's right to elect their own leaders, even if it's the Devil himself (for some reason some of you junta fanboys have bought the junta line that that's who Thaksin is).

Regarding the failed amnesty bid? Here's a bit of news for you; it failed. Much unlike the junta's own self-declared one, remember?

 

Again, you throw out unsubstantiated claims about the wide support of the coup. You have absolutely no way of knowing how large a percentage of the population supported the coup. Neither do I, but I say let the Thai people ASAP have their say in referendum for or against return to civilian rule in which people are allowed to say what they think publicly without having to worry about going to jail for it.

Do you agree?

I disagree with electing who they want.. guess your not a supporter of democracy.  People need to play by the rules of law.. if you don't do that they can't elect you. You also can't use an election to clear a criminal of crimes. 

 

As for Suthep.. its denied what he said and I don't believe much of what he says.. i utterly dislike the guy. 

 

The amnesty only failed because the people rose up against it.. (should not have to be this way if the government kept to the rules).

 

As for the people voting for civilian rule.. it can't happen fast enough in my book. If it was up to me it was tomorrow. 

[tomta]

Yes, Robblok is quite right. The junta was forced into a coup because if they had not taken power, there would have been an election which the wrong side was in danger of winning. As for Suthep, even habitual liars tell the truth occasionally. i would like to ask you, Robblok, why you believe everything he said about YIngluck's rice scheme and amnesty plan but do not believe him when he said he was collaborating with Prayuth. What possible reason could he have to make this up? He had won, he was feeling proud and expansive, he was at a party where army uniform was the costume theme