The Tale of two ty250 Mono's - pic heavy

papa al · November 4, 2017

10 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Indeed. No way would I want to ride a proper trials bike sitting down for more than a couple of kms. Guy was certainly not 6' tall. Completely wrong ergonomics - low seat height with pegs set well back - completely opposite to a dual sport or enduro bike - ie - tall comfy(ish) seat and mid peg position.

TLR200 is not a proper trials bike.

Can licensed for street certain places,

i.e., Colorado.

Here, dunno.

Guess so.

Cool bike tho.

Edited November 4, 2017 by papa al

thaiguzzi · November 5, 2017

Correctomondo.

I could be wrong, but some were proper ones. The TLR Reflex above most certainly not. I get confused with the Big Red H's lettering and designation system...

AllanB · November 5, 2017

On 01/11/2017 at 3:15 PM, thaiguzzi said:

A happy, smiley TG junior.... a couple of weeks before his 12th birthday....

This is an ideal way for a kid to learn, low speed, quite technical and great for balance and control. Much better than blasting through towns.

CMKiwi · November 5, 2017

Allan

I must agree with you... when I was a lad we didnt have big horsepower screaming Jap bikes. Hell, on the tobacco farm we had to run everywhere or jump on the back of the tractor or truck as it went by. After many years the old man (Dad) finally decidee to bend to what other farmers were doing ie buying a farm bike.

This was before quad bikes and even 3 wheel bikes. Unfortunately he decided on a new Yamaha AG100. This beast was not only under powered and heavy but an ugly POS. I have 4 brothers and 1 sister and must admit that that bike took all the punishment we could give it.

It was raced around paddocks in all types of weather. It was jumped over ditches (Very rarely made it to the other side) and generally abused the snot out of. But we all learnt its limited capabilities. I recall following much larger cc bikes up and down various firebreaks in the hills around area. You learnt about centre of gravity and feathering the clutch.

Nowadays I haver a lot more respect for bikes...road racers still scare the crap outta me cause they just to too damn fast. But I enjoy riding here, at my own pace. Sometimes fast but generally not so much. As they say getting there is half the fun. I think my next bike will probably be the CB500F...not quick but enough for me.

These 2 bikes look damn good and it from an era gone by...my hat is of to such a great restoration.

canthai55 · November 5, 2017

1 hour ago, CMKiwi said:

my hat is of to such a great restoration

Agree.

But what no one has mentioned ... wear a helmet.

thaiguzzi · November 6, 2017

12 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Agree.

But what no one has mentioned ... wear a helmet.

That's just what my mother and father nagged me about, but you are correct.

Had an "off" yesterday myself, I can now "splat" - face splat... Luckily I was wearing my flat cap...

papa al · November 6, 2017

That's the spirit!

thaiguzzi · November 9, 2017

Saw these on Ebay UK a few weeks ago. Had to buy 3 as "sparesies". Get most parts for ty mono's, a lot of stuff being remade as all the ty's especially twinshocks are becoming sought after cult bikes in Europe and the US. Except piston kits for mono's. So someone has ordered a batch to be made and I had to grab some. Not cheap, not super expensive @ 100 GBP a pop. But saved 60 quid on the VAT, which got put back on and then some this end when the Thai PO gave me a 4,700 Baht import/customs bill - win some, lose some...

Wossner.

Made in Germany.

Forged.

100% CNC machined.

Teflon coated skirts.

Nice...

canthai55 · November 9, 2017

^^^^^^ What coating are they using on the skirt ?

Edited November 9, 2017 by canthai55

thaiguzzi · November 9, 2017

1 hour ago, canthai55 said:

^^^^^^ What coating are they using on the skirt ?

Good question.

The seller said Teflon, but I've just spent 20 minutes reading up on coatings of engine internals especially pistons, domes, and skirts. Blimey - ton of stuff out there, none mentioning Teflon. I'm not genned up on internal coatings, just remember ceramic, but jeez there is a bunch of different methods, much with there own TM brand name. Swaintech, JE and Wiseco and a bunch of other interesting sites.

Anyhow, after checking the Wossner website, they are not coated with non stick frying pan material. Quote - "Made of 4032 Alloy (T6) with a special Moly coated skirt"....

So, no good for frying eggs on then....

papa al · November 9, 2017

Molybdenum disulphide is used in some toothpaste, so not toxic.

So no prob frying eggs if you want.

;-)

canthai55 · November 9, 2017

7 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Anyhow, after checking the Wossner website, they are not coated with non stick frying pan material. Quote - "Made of 4032 Alloy (T6) with a special Moly coated skirt"....

So, no good for frying eggs on then....

555 - Good one !! Most companies very cagey with product details. I had guessed some sort of Moly coating but have no experience with the brand.

Good luck with them.

And thanks for all they knowledge and suggestions you have shared on this site. Been doing it 50 years myself and still learning.

papa al · November 9, 2017

Wow.

just realised:

papa bought his first bike in 1967.

50 years ago.

Yamaha Twin Jet 100cc.

///Two cylinder: 2-stroke.

$627

Edited November 9, 2017 by papa al

thaiguzzi · November 19, 2017

Humming and harring...

Been offered these 2 alloy tank skins from England. 100GBP a pop, still need finishing with tunnels, floors, caps and tap bosses. One - offs based on a cross between MaJesty and Fantic tanks.

Stunning looking, very long, possibly the prettiest trials tanks I've seen. Would need custom alloy seat bases making to match.

Hum, har, hum....

papa al · November 19, 2017

Wow

Maybe need to change your handle to

'Thai-TY'

or sumfin.

thaiguzzi · November 20, 2017

19 hours ago, papa al said:

Wow

Maybe need to change your handle to

'Thai-TY'

or sumfin.

LOL.

Yeah, i could'nt join a trials specific forum as Thaiguzzi could i?

I thought Thai-ty has got a certain ring to it.

Indeed. Those tank shapes are certainly "Wow". About 4" longer than stock, 2" narrower.

Damrongsak · November 20, 2017

On 11/5/2017 at 10:01 AM, CMKiwi said:

... when I was a lad we didnt have big horsepower screaming Jap bikes...

When I was a lad, I had a screaming Honda SL125 dual-purpose bike. Talk about horsepower screaming - it had about 1 horsepower per 1,000 rpm. Hit the base of a short, steep hill at 9,000 rpm and you might or might not have to turn back midway. I did perfect ways of turning around (sliding sideways) that looked half way graceful.

But that bike was reliable. I once towed a guy on a $$ Penton (Sachs/KTM) 125cc enduro bike out of the mud in the woods and back to the trailer with my bike.

My brother bought one of the first Honda 125 "trials" bikes a bit later. Somewhat of a joke as a serious trials bike but fun.

Thaiguzzi, you need to find a nice cool place to ride trials... away from the heat and dust:

Edited November 20, 2017 by Damrongsak

thaiguzzi · December 13, 2017

TG Junior avec le Helmet...

thaiguzzi · January 25, 2018

3.5 litre Plastic fuel tanks...

Like waiting for a bus in London....

Been waiting, looking, even joining Ebay, looking more, waiting... And missing the last two, just too overpriced.

Anyhow, last week bid on two, the same seller, reasonable (in fact one was cheap!) prices, and won them both!!

Yessssssssss!

I can now start saving for the Paul Cowley Shedworks one-piece tank seat shelters, which, along with new modern shaped front mudguards should transform the looks of the bikes.

Anybody want "Ol Yeller or 'Ol Blu's tank and seat unit?

Below is the difference between a 3.5 litre plastic tank and a 5 litre steel tank. Plastic tank is over a kilo lighter.

Edited January 25, 2018 by thaiguzzi

thaiguzzi · March 23, 2018

Bump.

Zombie thread.

Just keeping this alive in case the mods lock it as an archived thread.

Back in the UK in under 3 weeks, staying for a month(ish), avec Mrs TG and TG Junior, so plenty of suitcase space coming back.

Point is, i'm bringing back my two plastic 3.5 litre tanks, new front mudguards, and...

two Paul Cowley Shedworks tank shelter combined seat units being made as i type this.

Will drastically change the looks of the bikes. Slimmer, flowing lines etc etc.

Watch this space in a coupla months.

canthai55 · March 23, 2018

Good Trip. Be Safe

thaiguzzi · April 1, 2018

On 3/23/2018 at 11:56 AM, thaiguzzi said:

Bump.

Zombie thread.

Just keeping this alive in case the mods lock it as an archived thread.

Back in the UK in under 3 weeks, staying for a month(ish), avec Mrs TG and TG Junior, so plenty of suitcase space coming back.

Point is, i'm bringing back my two plastic 3.5 litre tanks, new front mudguards, and...

two Paul Cowley Shedworks tank shelter combined seat units being made as i type this.

Will drastically change the looks of the bikes. Slimmer, flowing lines etc etc.

Watch this space in a coupla months.

Just had an email from Paul............

getting excited...........

thaiguzzi · May 18, 2018

Back in LOS.

Along with a bunch of other stuff, these two beauties came back in one of our suitcases. More to follow once fitted, along with new front mudguards once modified and drilled.

papa al · May 18, 2018

How many seat-tanks of this type exist.?

Glass or aluminium?

Capacity?

Anxiously awaiting photos of the re-assembed pair.

papa returning to his TYs very soon.

Too hot on Thailand now.

Snow should be mostly melted in Colorado mountains.

papa al · May 18, 2018

On 1/25/2018 at 1:57 PM, thaiguzzi said:

3.5 litre Plastic fuel tanks...

Like waiting for a bus in London....

Been waiting, looking, even joining Ebay, looking more, waiting... And missing the last two, just too overpriced.

Anyhow, last week bid on two, the same seller, reasonable (in fact one was cheap!) prices, and won them both!!

Yessssssssss!

I can now start saving for the Paul Cowley Shedworks one-piece tank seat shelters, which, along with new modern shaped front mudguards should transform the looks of the bikes.

Anybody want "Ol Yeller or 'Ol Blu's tank and seat unit?

Below is the difference between a 3.5 litre plastic tank and a 5 litre steel tank. Plastic tank is over a kilo lighter.

Cassettes. Just noticed. Perfect.

thaiguzzi · May 18, 2018

4 hours ago, papa al said:

Cassettes. Just noticed. Perfect.

4 hours ago, papa al said:

How many seat-tanks of this type exist.?

Glass or aluminium?

Capacity?

Anxiously awaiting photos of the re-assembed pair.

papa returning to his TYs very soon.

Too hot on Thailand now.

Snow should be mostly melted in Colorado mountains.

They are still being made by Paul Cowley at his company Shedworks, in the UK. Check him out.

They are a one-piece shelter which replaces the stock seat unit and covers the stock plastic tank, which as you know are pretty useless at being able to re-paint and look nice.

Made in fibreglass, stock gel coat colours (no paint) are white and yellow, although he will do other colours to order, see 'Ol Blu.

Capacity, still using the stock plastic tank underneath is 3.5 litres.

See post #202 above for a better look at how they work and what they are. I'll try and get an "upside down" photo of them.

Note, they come with a larger diameter billet alloy fuel cap to replace the smaller plastic cap, as this hides the gap around the shelter filler hole. Neat, c/w decals, nice bit of kit.

Will post photos soon once re-assembled c/w new quick-release front brake cables and new super-duper front m/guards with a more modern shorter shape.

Confirmed, stinking hot over here at the moment. The longer i live here, the less i like April-May...

Enjoy - Colorado...

thaiguzzi · June 15, 2018

Tank shelters are go!

Bit more involved than just plopping them on ;

Modify and lower the airbox lids

Clean up my new plastic tanks underneath.

Fit new petrol taps.

Make new nylon and alloy spacers and washers.

Buy new S/S fasteners.

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Also fitted my new Geroni universal front guards. These come with square ends, but have a rounded rear moulded in, that you can follow the contour with sharp scissors and turn into a nice shapely look by reversing the mudguard, and have a modern shorter shape. Fitted back to front if you like. Drill 4 holes, make a couple of nylon spacers to lift the front and get a matching radius with the wheel and the job's a good 'un.

Well pleased.

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