PoorSucker Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Heavy sea in the area now. Related story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 16 minutes ago, sandrabbit said: 'According to Col. Paisarn Sangtep of Pak Nam Chumphon police, the five people were among a group of 13 people, scuba diving students and instructors, who hired a boat to go out into the sea for a diving and undersea photography lessons.' http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/calamity/2017/07/27/5-scuba-students-drown-boat-capsizes-gulf/ I may have read this wrong, I was under the assumption they had gone out in the daytime but if this an evening/night dive then the ships commander must have been suicidal. Quite. The quote from that website is; 'Four members of a group who headed out from Bangkok to learn scuba diving died Wednesday night...' That would read as though the boat was still out in the sea at night. Apparently on a three day course so what were they doing out there at night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 what about weather forecast for the navy? How could this happen? No UKW channel 16? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 4 hours ago, sandrabbit said: I wondered if that was the case but didn't want to wish it by commenting. Anyone living near the gulf will tell you how rough the sea is at the moment, why would anyone want to be out with anything smaller than the Queen Mary?. Probably a competent seafarer at the helm should suffice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack61 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 5 hours ago, steveyinasia said: If the weather was like the change that hit Chiang mai last night, there was on reasonable explanation why the boat would be out, except of course, money. CM is a long way from Chumpon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkbarnstormer Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Were they snorkeling by flashlight? Why was it only reported at 9pm? Surely somebody must have assumed the boat was missing at dusk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midasthailand Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Yes the picture in the Daily news article is of the Chokthara2 (a white boat approx 40' long). Looks like a fairly decent boat so I'm guessing the sea state was quite bad! RIP those people that passed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) I've got a idea, lets take a boat out at night while tropical depression Sonca is crossing over Thailand. Edited July 27, 2017 by NCC1701A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 This is the boat, I think. https://www.dailynews.co.th/regional/587867 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgoon Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 if all those agencies and resources are doing what they should be doing then this is positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 9 hours ago, jimstar1 said: Here we go again What a wonderfully exciting comment - how long did it take you to think of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retiredandhappyhere Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 So sad that 5 Thai Tourists died in this way, particularly if the tour was at night and in rough seas, when the trip should have been aborted or better still, not planned at all. The fact that the report states that 5 THAI TOURISTS (from Bangkok) were the victims perhaps illustrates once again why TAT's tourist figures are much higher than many believe, if in fact, any Thai travelling around the country is classed as a TOURIST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike247 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) It was a scuba diving boat. The engine failed so another boat was called to tow it back to the mainland. Whilst towing the rope snapped and the stricken vessel went down fast. Everyone who was in the saloon area drowned. They were all Thai, instructors and students. Rip to those who lost their lives. Edited July 27, 2017 by mike247 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Retiredandhappyhere said: So sad that 5 Thai Tourists died in this way, particularly if the tour was at night and in rough seas, when the trip should have been aborted or better still, not planned at all. The fact that the report states that 5 THAI TOURISTS (from Bangkok) were the victims perhaps illustrates once again why TAT's tourist figures are much higher than many believe, if in fact, any Thai travelling around the country is classed as a TOURIST. How about you save your TAT rants for another time as this is not really the place for such comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Rc2702 said: How about you save your TAT rants for another time as this is not really the place for such comments. I don't think that it's exactly a "rant"! It's a valid point if Thai "tourists" are being included in the official figures implying that they are visitors from another country. And you conveniently totally ignored the first part of the post, which also makes a very valid point. Edited July 27, 2017 by sambum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, sambum said: I don't think that it's exactly a "rant"! It's a valid point if Thai "tourists" are being included in the official figures implying that they are visitors from another country. Yes it's valid in a TAT mission/press statement about increasing tourism but a news article regarding the deaths of 5 people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, mike247 said: It was a scuba diving boat. The engine failed so another boat was called to tow it back to the mainland. Whilst towing the rope snapped and the stricken vessel went down fast. Everyone who was in the saloon area drowned. They were all Thai, instructors and students. Rip to those who lost their lives. Thanks for giving us the reality of this tragedy, now we can stop making guesses but the reporting was awful if that was the case. Edited July 27, 2017 by sandrabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 48 minutes ago, Rc2702 said: Yes it's valid in a TAT mission/press statement about increasing tourism but a news article regarding the deaths of 5 people! The problem is that it wouldn't be mentioned in a TAT statement about increasing tourism! And once again you fail to mention the first part of the post so here it is:- "So sad that 5 Thai Tourists died in this way, particularly if the tour was at night and in rough seas, when the trip should have been aborted or better still, not planned at all." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, sambum said: The problem is that it wouldn't be mentioned in a TAT statement about increasing tourism! And once again you fail to mention the first part of the post so here it is:- "So sad that 5 Thai Tourists died in this way, particularly if the tour was at night and in rough seas, when the trip should have been aborted or better still, not planned at all." Hmmm but the problem is when you trivialise tragedies I'm having a hard time accepting your words are sincere. Regardless of them being thai or tourists they were people and the use of the words thai and tourists seems to serve your P2 and you knew that hence you used those words as opposed to the more shorter more apt term which is people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Obviously the crew did not get the passengers in a safe position to be rescued... every man man for themselves approach probably took place when the boat started to sink and people jumped overboard or should have been instructed to jump overboard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike247 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 28 minutes ago, sandrabbit said: Thanks for giving us the reality of this tragedy, now we can stop making guesses but the reporting was awful if that was the case. It's a big vague at the minute regarding the towing but basically the boat lost its engines and went down. There was another boat there trying to help before the rescue team could get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Rc2702 said: Hmmm but the problem is when you trivialise tragedies I'm having a hard time accepting your words are sincere. Regardless of them being thai or tourists they were people and the use of the words thai and tourists seems to serve your P2 and you knew that hence you used those words as opposed to the more shorter more apt term which is people. Who is trivialising tragedies? I am only using the words that are in the headlines of the 2 articles about this tragedy, and pointing out that it suits your "P2" to ignore the first part of a post that is totally sympathetic to the tragedy, but emphasise the latter part as a "rant" criticising the TAT. The original headline:- "Five tourists were missing as a desperate air and sea rescue was mounted off Chumporn last night. A later article headline:- "Five Thai tourists drown when snorkeling boat sinks in Chumphon Bay" Edited July 27, 2017 by sambum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, sambum said: "Five Thai tourists drown when snorkeling boat sinks in Chumphon Bay" Difference being the news article did not then trivialise the matter and start discussing what thailand regards as tourists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, Rc2702 said: Difference being the news article did not then trivialise the matter and start discussing what thailand regards as tourists. 12 minutes ago, Rc2702 said: Difference being the news article did not then trivialise the matter and start discussing what thailand regards as tourists. You deliberately ignore part of a post, and then blatantly emphasise the part that you disagree with - this is in disregard of Forum Rules i.e.:- "16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post." Please note the last line, and you do not need to make the same post twice to try to get your point across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonron Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 It's just common sense.. why would anyone go into the sea during storm like situation. That too at night. I don't think those uneducated people the captains or the crew are to be blamed.. they just need some extra bucks .. would those tourists do the same back in their home countries.. it's has simply become a norm to blame on the lack of safety in tourism.. be it boats or any other.. if these tourists know that before hand then why would they venture into that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Jasonron said: It's just common sense.. why would anyone go into the sea during storm like situation. That too at night. I don't think those uneducated people the captains or the crew are to be blamed.. they just need some extra bucks .. would those tourists do the same back in their home countries.. it's has simply become a norm to blame on the lack of safety in tourism.. be it boats or any other.. if these tourists know that before hand then why would they venture into that.. The tourists were Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike247 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jasonron said: It's just common sense.. why would anyone go into the sea during storm like situation. That too at night. I don't think those uneducated people the captains or the crew are to be blamed.. they just need some extra bucks .. would those tourists do the same back in their home countries.. it's has simply become a norm to blame on the lack of safety in tourism.. be it boats or any other.. if these tourists know that before hand then why would they venture into that.. They were all Thai on the last day of a 3 day scuba diving photography trip, it was a liveaboard so the weather may have been ok when they set out. Let's not jump to conclusions until we have all of the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, mike247 said: They were all Thai on the last day of a 3 day scuba diving photography trip, it was a liveaboard so the weather may have been ok when they set out. Let's not jump to conclusions until we have all of the facts. I've agreed with all your posts so far but the weather wasn't ok 3 days ago, I live on the gulf albeit in Rayong but the weather has been bad for longer than that. In fact I would go as far as the sea has been heavy for at least 2 weeks up here although that was nothing to do with the tropical depression entering Thailand at the moment. Did you see the report of a longtailed boat turning over with 4 Swiss on board traveling from Koh Tao?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 RIP to the victems of this boat disaster. Being trapped inside of a capsided boat and drowning is a horrible way to die. Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike247 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 This is probably the most accurate news report at the moment. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/around_thailand/30322018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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