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Fauci Invokes Fifth Amendment at Tense Senate Hearing

Anthony Fauci refused to answer questions at a tense US Senate hearing on the origins of Covid-19, saying he feared Republicans would use his testimony to pursue allegations of perjury.

Speaking on Wednesday at a hearing of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) invoked the Fifth Amendment, which protects people from being compelled to give evidence against themselves in criminal cases.

Fifth Amendment Refusal

Fauci, 85, told senators: “Under the advice of my attorneys,” he would invoke his right under the Fifth Amendment to refrain from responding. He said the decision followed concern that contradicting himself under oath could create legal exposure, noting he had previously testified about Covid and its origin at several congressional hearings.

He added that taking the Fifth Amendment is not an admission of guilt and is meant to guard against coercion and mistakes, as well as shifting the burden of proof onto an individual.

Fauci also acknowledged that former President Joe Biden granted him a pre-emptive pardon, protecting him from federal prosecution for actions taken between 2014 and 2025. He said the protection would not necessarily extend beyond that period, leaving open the possibility of charges after the date of the pardon, including under state or local law.

Contempt Vote and Possible Probe

Senator Rand Paul, a Republican and chairman of the hearing, continued questioning Fauci after his refusal. Paul invited Fauci to “apologise” and said the committee would vote next week on a resolution holding Fauci in contempt of Congress.

Republicans have repeatedly accused Fauci of withholding information about the pandemic from the public and of misstating the risks during the crisis. Fauci has denied wrongdoing and previously described the allegations as “simply preposterous”.

One of Paul’s lines of questioning focused on guidance that changed during the pandemic as officials learned more about the virus. Fauci had defended his earlier positions.

Fauci’s lawyer, David Schertler, attempted to interject during Paul’s questioning and was removed from the room. After the hearing, Schertler called it “outrageous” for Paul to exclude counsel when making what he described as a legitimate legal point, saying it reflected “the baseless and vindictive nature of this proceeding”.

Following the hearing, Florida’s Republican attorney general said he would open an investigation into Fauci. Senator Ron Johnson, also a Republican, said he would seek to subpoena Fauci in an effort to require him to answer senators’ questions.

Democrats defended Fauci, including Senator Maggie Hassan, who said the hearing was “designed to entrap” him.

Paul, Trump Trade Accusations

During the hearing, President Donald Trump posted on social media calling Fauci “crazy”. Trump said he had insisted from the start that the virus came from the Wuhan laboratory in China and that Fauci had “strongly disagreed”, portraying it as an attempt to protect China.

The origins of Covid-19 have been a longstanding point of contention in the US, with Trump, who was in office when the outbreak emerged in 2020, clashing with public health officials including Fauci.

In Wednesday’s hearing, Paul suggested that although Fauci had publicly said the virus originated naturally, Paul believed Fauci privately thought it began in a medical laboratory. Paul has promoted what is often called the lab-leak theory, linking the virus to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The World Health Organization said in 2025 that the natural-origins theory—spillover from animals to people—was the “best supported” explanation based on available evidence, but that until more information emerges, determining the origin remains “inconclusive”.

Diary Entries Revisit Origins Debate

Earlier this week, Paul released diary entries from Fauci’s pandemic era. In the entries, Fauci reflected on fame and discussed Covid origins, indicating that early on he considered both natural origins and a lab leak, before appearing to become more convinced the virus had a natural origin.

In one note from February 2020 about a call between Covid scientists, Fauci said doctors did not have “total agreement” on where the virus came from. He later wrote he was “almost certain” the virus evolved through a species jump while still keeping an open mind about a possible lab leak, and that two alternatives being possible did not mean they were equally probable.

Fauci has received death threats during and after the pandemic and Trump removed his security protection last year. He was also one of the most trusted figures in the US response during the crisis, and in 2021 Trump awarded him a presidential commendation for his work on the Covid vaccine project known as Operation Warp Speed.

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sqwakvfr Platinum Member

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Rand Paul is one issue in this but for Fauci:

Executive Grant of Clemency

JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR.

President of the United States of America

TO ALL TO WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME, GREETING:

BE IT KNOWN, THAT THIS DAY, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR., PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES, PURSUANT TO MY POWERS UNDER ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 1, OF THE

CONSTITUTION, HAVE GRANTED UNTO

DR. ANTHONY S. FAUCI

A FULL AND UNCONDITIONAL PARDON

This covers anything he did after 2014. I'm not a lawyer but if one has a full and unconditional presidential pardon then why invoke the 5th? Also, in some of the allegations made by Sen Paul statute of limitations from prosecution might apply. If I had full immunity and I am 83 years old then I might have said what I wanted to say.

gamb00ler Ruby Member

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2 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

If I had full immunity and I am 83 years old then I might have said what I wanted to say.

Fauci probably did say what he wanted.... OK.... he probably would have preferred to just say "FO, Rand!"

sqwakvfr Platinum Member

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1 minute ago, gamb00ler said:

Fauci probably did say what he wanted.... OK.... he probably would have preferred to just say "FO, Rand!"

Why not? 1st Amendment and all.

SiSePuede419 Ruby Member

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2 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

Rand Paul is one issue in this but for Fauci:

Executive Grant of Clemency

JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR.

President of the United States of America

TO ALL TO WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME, GREETING:

BE IT KNOWN, THAT THIS DAY, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR., PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

STATES, PURSUANT TO MY POWERS UNDER ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 1, OF THE

CONSTITUTION, HAVE GRANTED UNTO

DR. ANTHONY S. FAUCI

A FULL AND UNCONDITIONAL PARDON

This covers anything he did after 2014. I'm not a lawyer but if one has a full and unconditional presidential pardon then why invoke the 5th? Also, in some of the allegations made by Sen Paul statute of limitations from prosecution might apply. If I had full immunity and I am 83 years old then I might have said what I wanted to say.

I'm not a lawyer but if one has a full and unconditional presidential pardon then why invoke the 5th?

Correct.

You're not a lawyer and have no idea what the 5th amendment of the Constitution means. 😄

sqwakvfr Platinum Member

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2 minutes ago, Tug said:

Naa not even close old donald did over 200 times.odd to me that every trumper is trying to crucify a scientist for trying to save lives during a pandemic that for a time was killing 4,000 AMERICANS an effin day but won’t call out a New York City trustfund baby for exposing thousands of Americans during his let’s lie and rip-off America rallies…some folks are pathetic in my view.

1) Not a Trump supporter 2) Trump did not have presidential pardon 3) Fauci has a presidential pardon for anything he did from 2014 til the end of the Biden Administration. What did he have to lose by speaking. Even he if admits to perjury from 2014 to 2024 he has a presidential pardon that gives him a "get out of jail card".

sqwakvfr Platinum Member

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1 minute ago, SiSePuede419 said:

I'm not a lawyer but if one has a full and unconditional presidential pardon then why invoke the 5th?

Correct.

You're not a lawyer and have no idea what the 5th amendment of the Constitution means. 😄

Really, I have seen it invoked in criminal court during trials. Have you? AKA-One does not have to say or do anything that incriminates one self. That is non lawyer definition. Fauci did have potential legal consequence only while under oath during the Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing of July 29.

Tug Star Member

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44 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

In criminal court I have seen defendants invoke the 5th Amendment while on the stand but never in my life have I seen anyone invoke the 5th 111 times while under oath. Could this be some kind of record?

Naa not even close old donald did over 200 times.odd to me that every trumper is trying to crucify a scientist for trying to save lives during a pandemic that for a time was killing 4,000 AMERICANS an effin day but won’t call out a New York City trustfund baby for exposing thousands of Americans during his let’s lie and rip-off America rallies…some folks are pathetic in my view.

2 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

1) Not a Trump supporter 2) Trump did not have presidential pardon 3) Fauci has a presidential pardon for anything he did from 2014 til the end of the Biden Administration. What did he have to lose by speaking. Even he if admits to perjury from 2014 to 2024 he has a presidential pardon that gives him a "get out of jail card".

It was over 440 times during the deposition with Leta James our brave prosecutor trying to hold the felon to account for trying to steal the election…..big difference between a scientist trying to save lives ehh?and I beg to differ with you,you are at the very least complicit in your views with the felon.

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