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Fauci Invokes Fifth Amendment at Tense Senate Hearing

Anthony Fauci refused to answer questions at a tense US Senate hearing on the origins of Covid-19, saying he feared Republicans would use his testimony to pursue allegations of perjury.

Speaking on Wednesday at a hearing of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) invoked the Fifth Amendment, which protects people from being compelled to give evidence against themselves in criminal cases.

Fifth Amendment Refusal

Fauci, 85, told senators: “Under the advice of my attorneys,” he would invoke his right under the Fifth Amendment to refrain from responding. He said the decision followed concern that contradicting himself under oath could create legal exposure, noting he had previously testified about Covid and its origin at several congressional hearings.

He added that taking the Fifth Amendment is not an admission of guilt and is meant to guard against coercion and mistakes, as well as shifting the burden of proof onto an individual.

Fauci also acknowledged that former President Joe Biden granted him a pre-emptive pardon, protecting him from federal prosecution for actions taken between 2014 and 2025. He said the protection would not necessarily extend beyond that period, leaving open the possibility of charges after the date of the pardon, including under state or local law.

Contempt Vote and Possible Probe

Senator Rand Paul, a Republican and chairman of the hearing, continued questioning Fauci after his refusal. Paul invited Fauci to “apologise” and said the committee would vote next week on a resolution holding Fauci in contempt of Congress.

Republicans have repeatedly accused Fauci of withholding information about the pandemic from the public and of misstating the risks during the crisis. Fauci has denied wrongdoing and previously described the allegations as “simply preposterous”.

One of Paul’s lines of questioning focused on guidance that changed during the pandemic as officials learned more about the virus. Fauci had defended his earlier positions.

Fauci’s lawyer, David Schertler, attempted to interject during Paul’s questioning and was removed from the room. After the hearing, Schertler called it “outrageous” for Paul to exclude counsel when making what he described as a legitimate legal point, saying it reflected “the baseless and vindictive nature of this proceeding”.

Following the hearing, Florida’s Republican attorney general said he would open an investigation into Fauci. Senator Ron Johnson, also a Republican, said he would seek to subpoena Fauci in an effort to require him to answer senators’ questions.

Democrats defended Fauci, including Senator Maggie Hassan, who said the hearing was “designed to entrap” him.

Paul, Trump Trade Accusations

During the hearing, President Donald Trump posted on social media calling Fauci “crazy”. Trump said he had insisted from the start that the virus came from the Wuhan laboratory in China and that Fauci had “strongly disagreed”, portraying it as an attempt to protect China.

The origins of Covid-19 have been a longstanding point of contention in the US, with Trump, who was in office when the outbreak emerged in 2020, clashing with public health officials including Fauci.

In Wednesday’s hearing, Paul suggested that although Fauci had publicly said the virus originated naturally, Paul believed Fauci privately thought it began in a medical laboratory. Paul has promoted what is often called the lab-leak theory, linking the virus to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The World Health Organization said in 2025 that the natural-origins theory—spillover from animals to people—was the “best supported” explanation based on available evidence, but that until more information emerges, determining the origin remains “inconclusive”.

Diary Entries Revisit Origins Debate

Earlier this week, Paul released diary entries from Fauci’s pandemic era. In the entries, Fauci reflected on fame and discussed Covid origins, indicating that early on he considered both natural origins and a lab leak, before appearing to become more convinced the virus had a natural origin.

In one note from February 2020 about a call between Covid scientists, Fauci said doctors did not have “total agreement” on where the virus came from. He later wrote he was “almost certain” the virus evolved through a species jump while still keeping an open mind about a possible lab leak, and that two alternatives being possible did not mean they were equally probable.

Fauci has received death threats during and after the pandemic and Trump removed his security protection last year. He was also one of the most trusted figures in the US response during the crisis, and in 2021 Trump awarded him a presidential commendation for his work on the Covid vaccine project known as Operation Warp Speed.

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metisdead Legendary Member

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11 hours ago, LosLobo said:


Fauci’s pardon only covers federal crimes, not state crimes. He should have the right to invoke the Fifth Amendment to protect himself from potential state prosecution. Therefore, he should not be considered in contempt of Congress, as suggested by Rand, simply for exercising that constitutional right.

So you admit he probably committed crimes

sqwakvfr Platinum Member

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4 hours ago, Peabody said:

Nah. Far from it.

Donald Trump: He invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination more than 440 times during a four-hour deposition in August 2022. Apart from stating his name at the very beginning, he replied "same answer" to all subsequent questions regarding his real estate company and financial asset valuations. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-deposed-ny-ag-civil-probe-business-practices-rcna42355

Eric Trump: As the executive vice president of the Trump Organization, he invoked the Fifth Amendment about 500 times during a six-hour deposition in October 2020. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-19/eric-trump-invoked-fifth-amendment-about-500-times-n-y-ag-says

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A difference is both Trumps (they are not good people) invoked the 5th during depositions but the esteemed scientist invoked the 5th 111 times during a 3 hour hearing in front of a national audience. This after receiving a presidential pardon. The only person who received a similar type of pardon is some dude named Hunter. Malibu is great this time of year and maybe Hunter is enjoying a beverage on his deck while the sun goes down.

johng Star Member

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7 minutes ago, BusyB said:

Fauci has more scientific knowledge and human dignity in his little finger than the 'GOP'

You are looking down the wrong end of the telescope.

Fauci is a crime against humanity !

LosLobo Platinum Member

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A breakdown of the GOP’s attempt to turn Fauci’s old diary entries into a scandal — and how the hearing devolved into pure political theater.

temuFarang Advanced Member

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On 7/29/2026 at 9:54 PM, Sully_ said:

GOP Florida senator Rick Scott was close, he invoked the Fifth Amendment 75 times in his criminal Medicare fraud trial.

That’s misleading. Scott didn’t invoke the Fifth Amendment, which protects individuals from self-incrimination, 75 times in response to questions about whether his former hospital company, Columbia/HCA, committed Medicare fraud. In fact, Scott said he was never questioned by federal investigators in the criminal case involving his former company.

Instead, Scott avoided answering questions when being deposed for a 2000 civil case between Columbia/HCA and a communications company, which accused Columbia/HCA of breaching the terms of a contract. Only once did “Columbia’s improper billing practices” come up during the proceedings, according to a transcript of the deposition.

https://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/floridas-medicare-fraud-flashback/

FinChin67 Silver Member

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In 2022, Fauci was asked how he would respond if Republicans investigated him.


His answer: “I have nothing to hide, and I can defend everything I’ve done and every decision I’ve made.”

Mengele jr. replied nothing and received blanket pardon from autopen.

FinChin67 Silver Member

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3 minutes ago, JerryM said:

He also made the distinction above between legitimate congressioinal oversight and character assassination.

Hiding behind his blanket pardon and still not answering any questions.

Coward.

He belongs in jail.

JerryM Gold Member

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7 minutes ago, FinChin67 said:

Hiding behind his blanket pardon and still not answering any questions.

Coward.

He belongs in jail.

That's up to a DoJ indictment -- not a Congressional hearing.

FinChin67 Silver Member

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Little reminder from history:

Kary Mullis invented PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) and won the 1993 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In this 1996 interview, here’s what he said about Anthony Fauci:

Fauci doesn’t really know anything about the underlying science (Mullins says: “I would tell him that to his face.”) Fauci doesn’t understand electron microscopy.

Fauci doesn’t understand medicine.

He described Fauci as an administrator rather than a scientist actively doing the work. He said Fauci repeatedly declined invitations to publicly debate him. This wasn’t said after COVID. It was said 24 years before the pandemic by the inventor of one of the most important tools in modern molecular science.

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8 hours ago, temuFarang said:

That’s misleading. Scott didn’t invoke the Fifth Amendment, which protects individuals from self-incrimination, 75 times in response to questions about whether his former hospital company, Columbia/HCA, committed Medicare fraud. In fact, Scott said he was never questioned by federal investigators in the criminal case involving his former company.

Instead, Scott avoided answering questions when being deposed for a 2000 civil case between Columbia/HCA and a communications company, which accused Columbia/HCA of breaching the terms of a contract. Only once did “Columbia’s improper billing practices” come up during the proceedings, according to a transcript of the deposition.

https://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/floridas-medicare-fraud-flashback/

  1. The Invocations: Scott declined to answer 75 questions—ranging from inquiries about company business practices to basic questions like whether he was employed—by stating he was declining on the advice of counsel.

  2. The Healthcare Fraud: Prior to the deposition, Columbia/HCA faced a massive federal investigation into systemic Medicare and Medicaid fraud. The hospital chain eventually pleaded guilty to 14 felonies and paid a record $1.7 billion in fines and settlements.

He was literally CEO of Columbia/HCA at the time of the fraud and was declining on the advice of counsel because it would incriminate him in the fraud case. But by all means whitewash Scott .

Federal Investigation and Scandal

  • 1997 Raids: Federal agents raided Columbia/HCA offices in the spring of 1997 looking into systematic billing fraud.

  • CEO Resignation: Richard Scott was forced to resign by the board of directors as investigations intensified.

Sully_ Advanced Member

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2 hours ago, FinChin67 said:

Little reminder from history:

Kary Mullis invented PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) and won the 1993 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In this 1996 interview, here’s what he said about Anthony Fauci:

Fauci doesn’t really know anything about the underlying science (Mullins says: “I would tell him that to his face.”) Fauci doesn’t understand electron microscopy.

Fauci doesn’t understand medicine.

He described Fauci as an administrator rather than a scientist actively doing the work. He said Fauci repeatedly declined invitations to publicly debate him. This wasn’t said after COVID. It was said 24 years before the pandemic by the inventor of one of the most important tools in modern molecular science.

I wonder if the fluorescent raccoon told him to say that.

So the guy who talked to a fluorescent raccoon said something about him 24 years ago, k

Lets not forget who Kary Mullis was, he was widely known for his intense personal eccentricities, heavy use of psychedelic drugs like LSD, and extreme skepticism toward the fields of psychology and psychiatry.

Mullis openly criticized modern mental health workers and psychologists, calling them "well-paid incompetents" and "modern witch doctors"

He expressed public belief in astrology, UFOs, and the paranormal, and claimed to have once had a conversation with a fluorescent raccoon ghost

Lifestyle and Behavior

  • Psychedelic Use: He was famously candid about his past heavy use of LSD, crediting it at times with helping him grasp complex concepts, though it also created professional friction and led prosecutors to question his sobriety during high-profile contexts.

  • Legal and Personal Turmoil: He lived a disruptive lifestyle, married and divorced multiple times, and in the early 1990s faced domestic abuse charges involving a companion, for which he completed court-ordered counseling.

stevenl Star Member

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4 hours ago, JerryM said:

So Republican state AG's are lining saying, he may be immune from federal charges but, as for state charges, he must be guilty of SOMETHING

More proof he was wise in saying nothing.

Schoggibueb Gold Member

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15 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

And just imagine if now a pandemic like COVID-19 would start, what a mess it would be with the current administration.

The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) is one of the 27 institutes and centers that make up the National Institutes of Health (NIH), an agency of the United States Department of Health and Human Services. NIAID's mission is to conduct basic and applied research to better understand, treat, and prevent infectious, immunologic, and allergic diseases.

....

On April 30, 2025, Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ordered all research stopped at the lab amidst similar cuts to health programs in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Allergy_and_Infectious_Diseases

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LosLobo Platinum Member

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15 hours ago, LosLobo said:

A breakdown of the GOP’s attempt to turn Fauci’s old diary entries into a scandal — and how the hearing devolved into pure political theater.


Fox News:
Fauci killed millions.

And in same breath:
Fauci shut down the country over a virus he knew wasn't that deadly.

Schrödinger's Fauci.
MAGA — pick a box. You can't have it both ways.

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