Nurse Axed After Shocking Video "paralyse them" to ICE Agents

Just now, dinsdale said:

Can you spot the gun in this one.

Thats ELEVEN DAYS BEFORE - NOT the incident in question nor the point raised - you are deflecting- badly

3 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Looks pretty concealed to me- even his arms are raised ridung the jacket higher and still NOTHING in view ?

The jacket is below the waistband, and the officers were in front of him.

Are you claiming ICE planted the gun? If so, further discussion is likely pointless.

Just now, Yellowtail said:

The jacket is below the waistband, and the officers were in front of him.

Are you claiming ICE planted the gun? If so, further discussion is likely pointless.

I'm not claiming anything - I am stating as fact the weapon was concealed as shown in the image- I was asked by another to show it- so I did- saying it was planted is conspiracy nonsense when its plain to see it being taken off his body. Poor attempt at deflecting from whats actually being discussed

1 minute ago, CharlieH said:

I'm not claiming anything - I am stating as fact the weapon was concealed as shown in the image- I was asked by another to show it- so I did- saying it was planted is conspiracy nonsense when its plain to see it being taken off his body. Poor attempt at deflecting from whats actually being discussed

We've had days of that.......😒

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why was he sprayed with tears gas, thrown on the ground? It was not clear to me that he was being beaten.

It has been reported that he was beaten several times by an ice agent with a tear gas canister.

2 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

I'm not claiming anything - I am stating as fact the weapon was concealed as shown in the image- I was asked by another to show it- so I did- saying it was planted is conspiracy nonsense when its plain to see it being taken off his body. Poor attempt at deflecting from whats actually being discussed

I am not deflecting, I am trying to understand what is being said. I think (as I stated previously) that I think it reasonable to believe the gun was concealed in the waistband until the scuffle ensued.

2 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Thats ELEVEN DAYS BEFORE - NOT the incident in question nor the point raised - you are deflecting- badly

No deflection. He had a gun. Where was the gun? Tucked into the back of his pants. I wonder why it can't be seen in the one screen grab you posted. As for the previous incident (where the gun is tucked into the back of his pants) he spits at ICE, kicks the rear light clean off the car, gets his rib broken when being tackled on the ground and less than two weeks later (who knows how many other times in between as it's now seems he was a member of IceWatch and part of the signals group ) he's back and armed and actively inserting himself into another ICE operation.

4 minutes ago, candide said:

It has been reported that he was beaten several times by an ice agent with a tear gas canister.

It has been reported by who? Is there a video?

Just now, dinsdale said:

No deflection. He had a gun. Where was the gun? Tucked into the back of his pants. I wonder why it can't be seen in the one screen grab you posted. As for the previous incident he spits at ICE, kicks the rear light clean off the car, gets his rib broken when being tackled on the ground and less than two weeks later (who knows how many other times in between as it's now seems he was a member of IceWatch and part of the signals group ) he's back and armed and actively inserting himself in another ICE operation.

You are still ranting on a previous incident 11 days prior - he may have hadf a mortar and armed tank division THEN but its not relevant to the day in question- or whats been stated

Just now, CharlieH said:

You are still ranting on a previous incident 0 11 days prior - he may have hadf a mortoar and armed tank division THEN but its not relevant to the day in question- or whats been stated

Come on now. He had the weapon both times. Do you not think it's reasonable to assume that he concealed the weapon on him in the same spot or are you saying he wasn't armed at all?

1 minute ago, CharlieH said:

You are still ranting on a previous incident 11 days prior - he may have hadf a mortar and armed tank division THEN but its not relevant to the day in question- or whats been stated

I'm confused. It seems like we all agree he had a gun in his waistband, and an officer took it from his waistband, is that correct?

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

I'm confused. It seems like we all agree he had a gun in his waistband, and an officer took it from his waistband, is that correct?

Nothing confusing. He has a permit to carry arms. He didn't brandish gun. Gun taken away. Shoots followed killing him. Horrific killing of Alex Pretti.

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Come on now. He had the weapon both times. Do you not think it's reasonable to assume that he concealed the weapon on him in the same spot or are you saying he wasn't armed at all?

Im not disputing ANY of that - You said " how do you know it was concealed" I demonstrated it was ! there is no evidence It was exposed at anytime BEFORE the one agent- squezzed between his colleagues- and went straight to it- removed it - then SHOT HIM

WATCH THIS........https://aseannow.com/topic/1385867-sky-news-analysis-video-compilation-of-killing/

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1 hour ago, impulse said:

You mean the lady who almost ran over the ICE agents with her SUV, or the dude who showed up armed with a 9mm and played the fool?

Both of those deaths were tragic. And completely preventable. Not to mention, both of the decedents were shown on multiple videos before their tragic encounters, F'ing around. But they won't show those videos on the MSM. You have to hold your nose and watch the right wing media to see them, and see what kind of behavior brought on their demise.

I saw what kind of behavior brought on their demise. Shooting an unarmed man 10 times is your kind of justice?

The one that is F'ing around and finding out more and more is trump and his cabinet of assorted criminals and guess what?

They are about to find out just how much they fd up!

1 hour ago, transam said:

What skills do you have, besides telling porkies......? 🙄

Eating pork pie?

1 hour ago, transam said:

I was licensed to own firearms and ammunition, and trained in police protocol,

You never carried a pistol in your life concealed. Your posts show that.

5 minutes ago, jvs said:

They are about to find out just how much they fd up!

How will that occur? You seem angry.

50 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Can someone explain for me: How did the guy in the gray jacket- walk straight to the victim - go straight to his waisteband and remove the gun - then literally ran away while his colleagues SHOT the guy on the floor AFTER the gun (and threat was removed) - pinned to the deck and being beaten by 5 other agents ? where was the perceived threat at that time and exactly how did that guy know he was carrying and exactly where ? when it was concealed from view?

First off, we only have limited video view of the altercation, no body cam and no voice commands from the officers are public. The guy was deemed a major threat as soon as he was identified as having a firearm and there is no way that the officers could have known whether he had other weapons on him until they were able to do a complete search and have him in cuffs. Protocol is to warn the assailant to keep his hands clear and away from his body, if he defied that in any manner by way of moving his hands toward his body by even a minor fraction, then the officers WILL shoot, not maybe shoot, will shoot, given that they had retrieved a firearm and he was a perceived threat until completely subdued and cuffed. Every law enforcement officer in the US is trained to do exactly that, anything less not only puts the cop’s lives in danger but the public as well and would be considered incompetent. So all this nonsense by many with the Monday morning quarterbacking and assumptions by those who weren’t there is quite silly.

15 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Im not disputing ANY of that - You said " how do you know it was concealed" I demonstrated it was ! there is no evidence It was exposed at anytime BEFORE the one agent- squezzed between his colleagues- and went straight to it- removed it - then SHOT HIM

WATCH THIS........https://aseannow.com/topic/1385867-sky-news-analysis-video-compilation-of-killing/

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I hope you are not trying to change the mind of a maga person with facts!

They will not be able to process that and act accordingly.

2 minutes ago, novacova said:

First off, we only have limited video view of the altercation, no body cam and no voice commands from the officers. The guy was deemed a major threat as soon as he was identified as having a firearm and there is no way that the officers could have known whether he had other weapons on him until they were able to do a complete search and have him in cuffs. Protocol is to warn the assailant to keep his hands clear and away from his body, if he defied that in any manner by way of moving his hands toward his body by even a minor fraction, then the officers WILL shoot, not maybe shoot, will shoot, given that they had retrieved a firearm and he was a perceived threat until completely subdued and cuffed. Every law enforcement officer in the US is trained to do exactly that, anything less not only puts the cop’s lives in danger but the public as well and would be considered incompetent. So all this nonsense of Monday morning quarterbacking and assumptions by those who weren’t there is quite silly.

And you where there ?

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

How will that occur? You seem angry.

Angry?

Why would i be angry?

I am not your kind.

Just now, jvs said:

And you where there ?

Pay attention would you, it looks silly.

27 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

You are still ranting on a previous incident 11 days prior - he may have hadf a mortar and armed tank division THEN but its not relevant to the day in question- or whats been stated

With all due respect, actually it is or may be: Since the subjective view of the officers is relevant, IF they had knowledge of his earlier antics and the fact that he was armed or had the potential to be armed that goes to the issue of the reasonableness of their conduct.

In addition, even inadvertent exposure of a concealed weapon could be considered brandishing under certain circumstances.

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

The majority of people do not buy into the adminstration version that there were serious threats to the ICE agents in both killings.

Got it. So polls decide guilt or innocence.

Under that logic, hundreds of topics should be axed here since the voters elected Trump

4 minutes ago, jvs said:

Angry?

Why would i be angry?

I am not your kind.

What is my kind? The kind screeching insanely, tossing around words like murder, executed, Nazi? The kind comparing ICE to Gestapo? The kind calling for a woman to have her parts tear in childbirth, or telling folks to poison ICE agents, or spitting on them and smashing their cars? The kind calling for Trump to be executed?

That kind?

Glad Im not

14 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Im not disputing ANY of that - You said " how do you know it was concealed" I demonstrated it was ! there is no evidence It was exposed at anytime BEFORE the one agent- squezzed between his colleagues- and went straight to it- removed it - then SHOT HIM

WATCH THIS........https://aseannow.com/topic/1385867-sky-news-analysis-video-compilation-of-killing/

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Fair enough. Definitely can't see it from the front on view. The agent in the grey coat seems to have spotted the weapon when Pretti was on the ground resisting the ICE agents and disarmed him. The gun was most likely tucked into the back of his trousers where it was in the previous video of him spitting and kicking the right rear light assembly off of the ICE car. He was disarmed, there were shouts of "gun gun gun" and he was shot multiple times. BTW the agent that disarmed him wasn't the agent that shot him. As it is I'm not sure if it was one or more that shot him but it wasn't the agent that had disarmed Pretti. Indeed there seems to be some conjecture that Pretti's gun self-discharged in the agent's hand as he was walking away. I truly hope that the bodycam footage is released.

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Fair enough. Definitely can't see it from the front on view. The agent in the grey coat seems to have spotted the weapon when Pretti was on the ground resisting the ICE agents and disarmed him. The gun was most likely tucked into the back of his trousers where it was in the previous video of him spitting and kicking the right rear light assembly off of the ICE car. He was disarmed, there were shouts of "gun gun gun" and he was shot multiple times. BTW the agent that disarmed him wasn't the agent that shot him. As it is I'm not sure if it was one or more that shot him but it wasn't the agent that had disarmed Pretti. Indeed there seems to be some conjecture that Pretti's gun self-discharged in the agent's hand as he was walking away. I truly hope that the bodycam footage is released.

Im waiting for the witness statements too. And the videos, if any of the minutes before and the minutes after. And where is this guys social media history...scrubbed?

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Im waiting for the witness statements too. And the videos, if any of the minutes before and the minutes after. And where is this guys social media history...scrubbed?

Only vid I've seen of what happened not too long before was Pretti standing in the middle of the road "directing traffic" so interfering and then being pushed off the road and then going back on the road and then for the last time being pushed off again. Wasn't just him but the woman which we have heard absolutely nothing about or from. It will also be interesting to see what's on Pretti's phone.

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Only vid I've seen of what happened not too long before was Pretti standing in the middle of the road "directing traffic" so interfering and then being pushed off the road and then going back on the road and then for the last time being pushed off again. Wasn't just him but the woman which we have heard absolutely nothing about or from. It will also be interesting to see what's on Pretti's phone.

Im interested in what his role was in the "resistance".

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Im interested in what his role was in the "resistance".

According to what's been discovered from the Signal group infiltration he was designated as a medic but it also seems he was a member of IceWatch. So he was well involved "allegedly".