Swiss Voters Reject Proposal to Cap Population at 10 Million

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

I thought the Swiss were supposed to be high IQ?

Did they allow postal voting or something?

If the population were to be capped at 10m the Swiss would have to have more children to boost the labor market. What's the point of having a fully educated market if no one wants to sweep the streets or pick the fruit?

7 minutes ago, Purdey said:

If the population were to be capped at 10m the Swiss would have to have more children to boost the labor market. What's the point of having a fully educated market if no one wants to sweep the streets or pick the fruit?

"Whether immigration seekers (vs. asylum seekers) can work in Switzerland depends entirely on their nationality and the immigration status they hold:

• EU/EFTA Citizens: Yes, they can enter the country to look for work for up to three months without a visa, with a possible extension to six months. Once they secure employment, they can register with local authorities to receive a residence permit.

• Third-Country Nationals: No, immigration seekers cannot simply move to Switzerland to look for work. They must first secure a concrete job offer from a Swiss employer. The employer must prove that no qualified candidate could be found locally or within the EU/EFTA, and strict quotas apply." (AI)

Switzerland's current approach seems reasonable (albeit be expanded), immigrants getting work must fit into the economy. Thailand might learn from this approach.

8 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

"Whether immigration seekers (vs. asylum seekers) can work in Switzerland depends entirely on their nationality and the immigration status they hold:

• EU/EFTA Citizens: Yes, they can enter the country to look for work for up to three months without a visa, with a possible extension to six months. Once they secure employment, they can register with local authorities to receive a residence permit.

• Third-Country Nationals: No, immigration seekers cannot simply move to Switzerland to look for work. They must first secure a concrete job offer from a Swiss employer. The employer must prove that no qualified candidate could be found locally or within the EU/EFTA, and strict quotas apply." (AI)

Switzerland's current approach seems reasonable (albeit be expanded), immigrants getting work must fit into the economy. Thailand might learn from this approach.

Thailands policy is just fine hence the lack of sub saharans beheading locals on the street

Let’s keep it that way

18 minutes ago, EastBayRay said:

Thailands policy is just fine hence the lack of sub saharans beheading locals on the street

Let’s keep it that way

Where and when was that?

When you take in to account all the factors that add up to 'current population' and 'expected population next 1 January or in 5 or 20 years' time', the notion of reaching a particular magic number and then sticking there or just near it is wondrously naive.

Reproduction rates, aging population, death rates, immigration rates, economic conditions, expected economic conditions in 20 years and on and on ...

Only racists and fascists would be naive enough to put forward such a proposition. And 45% of those who voted were for it.

56 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

"Whether immigration seekers (vs. asylum seekers) can work in Switzerland depends entirely on their nationality and the immigration status they hold:

• EU/EFTA Citizens: Yes, they can enter the country to look for work for up to three months without a visa, with a possible extension to six months. Once they secure employment, they can register with local authorities to receive a residence permit.

• Third-Country Nationals: No, immigration seekers cannot simply move to Switzerland to look for work. They must first secure a concrete job offer from a Swiss employer. The employer must prove that no qualified candidate could be found locally or within the EU/EFTA, and strict quotas apply." (AI)

Switzerland's current approach seems reasonable (albeit be expanded), immigrants getting work must fit into the economy. Thailand might learn from this approach.

My experience is that Switzerland has found a fairly good balance. I had to go through a process to get my visa and working papers but I had specialized skills so there were no issues. Likewise I knew many people who worked as cooks, retail salespeople, tour guides etc. that for one reason or another qualified. It does not suffer from having too many immigrants.

Switzerland is a great country, albeit expensive. But everything works, streets are clean, snow removal is fast, trains and busses run on time, the landscape is beautiful, the skiing, hiking and outdoor activities are fantastic.

Oh, and the people are xenophobic as hell.

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

"Whether immigration seekers (vs. asylum seekers) can work in Switzerland depends entirely on their nationality and the immigration status they hold:

• EU/EFTA Citizens: Yes, they can enter the country to look for work for up to three months without a visa, with a possible extension to six months. Once they secure employment, they can register with local authorities to receive a residence permit.

• Third-Country Nationals: No, immigration seekers cannot simply move to Switzerland to look for work. They must first secure a concrete job offer from a Swiss employer. The employer must prove that no qualified candidate could be found locally or within the EU/EFTA, and strict quotas apply." (AI)

Switzerland's current approach seems reasonable (albeit be expanded), immigrants getting work must fit into the economy. Thailand might learn from this approach.

Right, most of these immigrants are EU citizen, mainly from France, Germany, Italy and Portugal. Swiss people are not so different from them, in particular when they come from bordering regions.

Same arguments..strain on housing, health, travel and education...seems pretty much the norm.. 3rd world immigrants, turn any host country into the 3rd world

5 hours ago, EastBayRay said:

I thought the Swiss were supposed to be high IQ?

Did they allow postal voting or something?

The true Swiss, known as Eidgenossen, voted in favor of the referendum. However, one challenge we face is that many individuals born abroad who hold Swiss citizenship voted against it. In fact, one in four people in Switzerland is a foreigner, and a significant number of them have voting rights.

Switzerland's parliament has a total of 10 political parties. Out of these, nine opposed the referendum initiated by the SVP party. This overwhelming opposition from the political establishment contributed to the outcome of the vote being a "No."

Nonetheless, with 45% of voters supporting the referendum, it’s evident that there is growing resistance among the population. Politicians are now more aware of the significant support reflected in those numbers.

Switzerland is increasingly losing its unique character, and at this rate, I fear it may one day turn into an artificial entity, akin to something out of Disney World.

3 hours ago, Front Row said:

My experience is that Switzerland has found a fairly good balance. I had to go through a process to get my visa and working papers but I had specialized skills so there were no issues. Likewise I knew many people who worked as cooks, retail salespeople, tour guides etc. that for one reason or another qualified. It does not suffer from having too many immigrants.

Switzerland is a great country, albeit expensive. But everything works, streets are clean, snow removal is fast, trains and busses run on time, the landscape is beautiful, the skiing, hiking and outdoor activities are fantastic.

Oh, and the people are xenophobic as hell.

Which European country does not face such challenges? The central issue lies in the notable presence of immigrants across EU countries and Switzerland. A portion of these individuals neither participate actively in the labor market, nor contribute positively; instead, they engage in criminal activities, rely heavily on public health systems, and receive financial support—all funded by taxpayers. This situation has led to widespread public discontent with political leaders, as many citizens feel overwhelmed by the increasing numbers of migrants entering their countries. More specifically, the concern is that many of these newcomers neither meet societal needs nor align with public expectations or preferences.

11 minutes ago, Beat666 said:

The true Swiss, known as Eidgenossen, voted in favor of the referendum. However, one challenge we face is that many individuals born abroad who hold Swiss citizenship voted against it. In fact, one in four people in Switzerland is a foreigner, and a significant number of them have voting rights.

Much more. Actually there are 27.5% foreigner living in Switzerland that don't have Swiss Citicenship and no voting rights. Since 2002 (Schengen Agreement) till today, Switzerland grew from 7.3 Million to now over 9.1 Million people. Many foreigner got Citicenship. So the real numbers of foreigners (including first Generation Swiss Citicen, or as we like to call them, paper Swiss) in Switzerland is much higher.

The true Swiss, known as Eidgenossen, voted in favor of the referendum. However, one challenge we face is that many individuals born abroad who hold Swiss citizenship voted against it. In fact, one in four people in Switzerland is a foreigner, and a significant number of them have voting rights.

That, in a paragraph, is their cunning plan.

7 minutes ago, Cenovis said:

Much more. Actually there are 27.5% foreigner living in Switzerland that don't have Swiss Citicenship and no voting rights. Since 2002 (Schengen Agreement) till today, Switzerland grew from 7.3 Million to now over 9.1 Million people. Many foreigner got Citicenship. So the real numbers of foreigners (including first Generation Swiss Citicen, or as we like to call them, paper Swiss) in Switzerland is much higher.

You are 100% spot on. Thanks for the correction🙏👍

2 hours ago, baansgr said:

Same arguments..strain on housing, health, travel and education...seems pretty much the norm.. 3rd world immigrants, turn any host country into the 3rd world

You didn't read the whole article, did you?

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

You didn't read the whole article, did you?

Yes I did..did you

Can’t they see what has happened to the rest of Europe?

<deleted> idiots.

29 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Yes I did..did you

In that case, why are you suggesting European nations are "Third World"?

18 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

In that case, why are you suggesting European nations are "Third World"?

Just have a look at the major cities of them where 3rd worlders have colonized

The Swiss system can often be confusing. When people vote YES it can mean No..and the other way round. Nevertheless the problem is that most policy makers are dual nationals who have more connections/interests with Europe or other countries, instead of Switzerland left to itself. Poor Switzerland.

13 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Just have a look at the major cities of them where 3rd worlders have colonized

83% of foreigners in Switzerland are European. As i asked before, why do you refer yo European countries as Third World. Which countries are you referring to?

8 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

83% of foreigners in Switzerland are European. As i asked before, why do you refer yo European countries as Third World. Which countries are you referring to?

It's actually 27% foreigners which 40% of are non EU..try again sir 👍

How would the Swiss enforce it. When a baby which would take the numbers above 10 million is born, would they pick on a non-citizen to deport? How would they choose him or her? Would they,heaven forfend, euthanase the baby? They scheme would be unworkable.

4 hours ago, baansgr said:

It's actually 27% foreigners which 40% of are non EU..try again sir 👍

Incorrect. You've also not understood my comment.

I didn't even talk about the %%% of the population that are foreigners.

Try again.

Take a look at what Switzerland immigration say.

https://www.migration.swiss/en/stories/zuwanderung

Now, to which European countries were you suggesting are "Third World"?

If immigration is such a problem, why haven't any European country banned them outright? I can only guess that with aging populations, European countries have understood that they need immigrants. Is there another reason?

Switzerland like all of western Europe is obviously going to the dogs with excessive immigration, asylum seekers and illegals all pushing their way in to benefit from the highly generous Swiss Social System and public aids.