On 9/3/2026 at 6:33 PM, webfact said:

Donald Trump has placed himself above all other US presidents in a ranking he shared on social media, declaring himself the only leader in the “greatest” category despite presidential scholars consistently giving him some of the lowest historical ratings.

Trump posted the ranking on Truth Social last Thursday, dividing presidents into six groups ranging from “greatest” to “failures”. Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D Roosevelt and George Washington were placed one level below Trump in the “great” category.

Scholars rank Trump near the bottom

The president’s assessment differs sharply from surveys of presidential historians and political scientists.

Justin Vaughn, a political science professor at Coastal Carolina University and co-creator of the Presidential Greatness Project, said Trump’s ranking was inconsistent with the findings of expert surveys.

“It’s not consistent with the findings of the surveys we’ve conducted,” Vaughn said. “It’s also not consistent with other surveys that have been conducted over the last several years.”

The most recent Presidential Greatness Project survey questioned 154 academics and ranked Trump last among the 45 presidents assessed. He received an average score of 10.92 on a scale from zero, representing failure, to 100, representing greatness.

Lincoln topped the survey with an average score of 93.87. Former presidents such as James Buchanan, who is often criticised for failing to prevent the US civil war, also ranked above Trump.

A separate survey by Siena College in 2022 produced a slightly better result for Trump, but still placed him third from the bottom. Only Buchanan and Andrew Johnson ranked lower.

Questions over Trump’s record

The Siena survey also assessed presidents on areas including executive ability, leadership, integrity and intelligence. Trump ranked 45th out of 45 in both integrity and intelligence.

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Barbara Perry, a presidential studies professor at the University of Virginia, said presidential reputations can change over time as historians reassess their records. Americans, she said, tend to develop “a kind of a golden glow about most ex-presidents”.

Trump’s ranking also offered a glimpse into the presidents he admires. Theodore Roosevelt and Grover Cleveland, who like Trump served nonconsecutive terms, were placed in the “near great” category.

Perry rejected the idea that Trump belongs among the highest-rated presidents.

“In no universe of scholars, I believe, would Donald Trump be in the ‘great’ category, the ‘greatest’ category, ‘near great’ category,” she said.

She pointed to Trump’s role in promoting the January 6 insurrection and his continued claims that Joe Biden stole the 2020 election as factors that she believes will weigh heavily on his historical reputation.

Perry said those actions undermined the US constitutional system and the rule of law. She also cited what she described as racism and bias against people who are not white Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

White House defends Trump’s legacy

Davis Ingle, a White House spokesperson, said Trump was focused on delivering what he described as a strong, safe and prosperous country.

“The only legacy President Trump is concerned with is making America greater than ever before,” Ingle said.

He added that Trump would ultimately be remembered as “the most successful and consequential president in modern American history”.

Whether that prediction is borne out will depend on how historians judge Trump’s presidency over time. For now, however, academic surveys place him far from the top of the presidential rankings.

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now turn the photos upside down and you have it right 😅

On 9/4/2026 at 12:15 PM, Cory1848 said:

So, in your undertaking to discredit the surveys by the Presidential Greatness Project and Siena College, you post a picture of a grinning Black guy. Congratulations! Your post is the most flagrantly racist of the week on ASEAN Now. And you’ve had some stiff competition!

 

The guy whose image you’re posting is not among the named people in the article. So either you researched the 150+ participants in the two surveys until you found one who happens to be Black, or you simply uploaded a random picture of a Black guy who you think looks goofy. Either way, well done!

This guy created quite a stir at Cambridge Uni. Sadly now dead by suicide.

"Trump Calls Himself the Greatest President Ever"

Well, that obviously settles it. After all, that must be precisely why Americans elected him President.

So really, how dare a handful of scholars challenge such flawless, self-certified greatness?

On 9/4/2026 at 4:06 PM, Lacessit said:

I would agree Trump is unmatched in brainwashing ignorant and stupid people into believing he is working to make their lives better.

I suppose in your alternative world job losses, raging inflation, record debt levels, record bond yields and a war with no exit ramp are the fault of leftists, because Truth Social told you so.

Does that mean you reckon you are superior to those people you describe as 'ignorant and stupid' ?

On 9/4/2026 at 1:23 PM, impulse said:

Here's what winning looks like:

As far as I'm concerned, he can do all the stupid memes he wants if it distracts the lefties.

wonder where your ancestors came from, did you ever check it out??? maybe you should

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

what type of medication are you on, I want the same

Are you sure that you really want such a mind altering medication?

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Not trolling. It was an interesting and informative interview.

Who was it an interesting and informative interview for?

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

NYT highly regarded. Seriously ?

Indeed, especially amongst journalists and other people that knows how news reporting is supposed to work.

Please tell us which news sources you find credible. But do yourself a favour and check if they have a correction page or some other ways of bringing corrections before you answer. Not that correction pages guarantees that the media is credible, but it is the absolutely minimum requirement for credible news reporting.

Long live the King.

And keep up the ICE work.

Making America Great Again.

Edited September 5Sep 5 by rocketboy2

9 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Who was it an interesting and informative interview for?

For those watching or listening.

9 hours ago, farang51 said:

Indeed, especially amongst journalists and other people that knows how news reporting is supposed to work.

Please tell us which news sources you find credible. But do yourself a favour and check if they have a correction page or some other ways of bringing corrections before you answer. Not that correction pages guarantees that the media is credible, but it is the absolutely minimum requirement for credible news reporting.

I reckon Talk TV and Talk Radio in the UK to be reasonably accurate and unbiased.

9 hours ago, farang51 said:

Indeed, especially amongst journalists and other people that knows how news reporting is supposed to work.

It's a rope-a-dope the GOP plays like a yo-yo. And it goes like this:

"WHAT?? You believe [whoever] ? "

Throw in a little flavor-of-the-day.

Later on in the same conversation they will mention something they like and when challenged they just might be citing [whoever] themselves.

CAUTION: beware of trolls

There's this thing called ''history'' and history, in time, will be the judge of it.

On 9/4/2026 at 7:43 PM, Yagoda said:

who says they dont other than the socialists.

and folks who are too broke to pay any themselves whil;e they suck off the teat of everyone else

During his first Presidency, Trump paid less in taxes than a janitor on one of his golf resorts.

Evading tax is a simple exercise for billionaires. Don't have income, borrow against the assets to finance one's lifestyle.

A much fairer system is to tax revenue. It can't be hidden or shifted like profits. 1 percent would be enough.

If you were a wage earner, I am quite sure you would like that rate.

You had better get used to broke people, there's more in the pipeline every day.

I am not one of them. Sorry to disappoint.

13 hours ago, Mavideol said:

what type of medication are you on, I want the same

I am no expert on psychiatric disorders,( I leave that to the many experts here on AN - mostly of a "Trumpian" leaning) but I would suggest that @Screaming 's

Problem is not his medication but very probably that he has stopped taking it!

Maybe the US is so "hot", doing so well under the "GOAT" President that he can no longer afford it?

Edited September 6Sep 6 by JAG

13 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

This guy created quite a stir at Cambridge Uni. Sadly now dead by suicide.

Correct, and I didn't know that before; I didn't recognize him in the picture.

17 hours ago, MarkBR said:

I doubt this Natalie is a good journalist.

Yet there she was on OAN for two years, spouting out lies and garbage. I guess she's easy on the eyes ...

On 9/4/2026 at 3:03 AM, CallumWK said:

And this is in which way related to the topic?

It emphasizes the limited thought processes that a Trump supporter possesses.

17 hours ago, impulse said:

Here's an MSNOW YouTube title from yesterday:

BREAKING: Trump asks Supreme Court AGAIN to clear way for MAJOR voter suppression effort

That's why I can't watch MSDNC without gagging.

Well, gag if you like, but this is in fact exactly what he’s doing. Trump’s approval rating is around 30 percent, and in a fair election this November Democrats will take the House and probably the Senate, which means investigations into Trump’s unprecedented corruption. His only chance at avoiding that is to suppress the vote, through the legislation he wants to push through, restricting mail-in ballots, sending armed ICE agents to polling places, and so on. You can read about these things in any number of legitimate news outlets.

As for the suit from Newsmax going on about Nicolle Wallace, I think the point is that Trump spends upward of 70 percent of his time focused on these vanity projects. This is not only not normal, but detrimental to the functioning of the country. I watched Nicolle Wallace yesterday, and she was speaking with a couple of army generals about the Iran war and why it has become a quagmire. That seems like relevant reporting, doesn’t it?

Of course you’re not going to believe any of this, because you have it in your mind that the mainstream media constantly lies and so can’t be trusted. But maybe try to reconsider. In 2016 when Trump first won the presidency, my big sister, who’s nearly as liberal as I am, told me to take it slowly, that maybe Trump’s election was indicative of some itch or vague desire among the general population (though still a minority; Clinton won the popular vote), and that we should let this play out its course, that it may lead to something positive. But by now, of course, it’s plainly obvious that Trump is nothing but grift and outsize ego, as more and more people who have voted for him are discovering.

6 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Well, gag if you like, but this is in fact exactly what he’s doing. Trump’s approval rating is around 30 percent, and in a fair election this November Democrats will take the House and probably the Senate, which means investigations into Trump’s unprecedented corruption. His only chance at avoiding that is to suppress the vote, through the legislation he wants to push through, restricting mail-in ballots, sending armed ICE agents to polling places, and so on. You can read about these things in any number of legitimate news outlets.

 

As for the suit from Newsmax going on about Nicolle Wallace, I think the point is that Trump spends upward of 70 percent of his time focused on these vanity projects. This is not only not normal, but detrimental to the functioning of the country. I watched Nicolle Wallace yesterday, and she was speaking with a couple of army generals about the Iran war and why it has become a quagmire. That seems like relevant reporting, doesn’t it?

 

Of course you’re not going to believe any of this, because you have it in your mind that the mainstream media constantly lies and so can’t be trusted. But maybe try to reconsider. In 2016 when Trump first won the presidency, my big sister, who’s nearly as liberal as I am, told me to take it slowly, that maybe Trump’s election was indicative of some itch or vague desire among the general population (though still a minority; Clinton won the popular vote), and that we should let this play out its course, that it may lead to something positive. But by now, of course, it’s plainly obvious that Trump is nothing but grift and outsize ego, as more and more people who have voted for him are discovering.

Even ChatGPT is trying to forget about 2016. 😄

Me: Quote from 18y old first time voter in 2016 about why he voted for trump to see what would happen

ChatGPT: I think you’re remembering a 2016 first-time voter interview in which an 18-year-old explained that he voted for Donald Trump largely to “see what happens. I searched for the exact wording, but I haven’t found a reliable primary-source transcript confirming that exact quote.

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Even ChatGPT is trying to forget about 2016. 😄

Me: Quote from 18y old first time voter in 2016 about why he voted for trump to see what would happen

ChatGPT: I think you’re remembering a 2016 first-time voter interview in which an 18-year-old explained that he voted for Donald Trump largely to “see what happens. I searched for the exact wording, but I haven’t found a reliable primary-source transcript confirming that exact quote.

I think also in 2015 Tom Brady said he thought it would be “great” if Trump won the presidency, giving as his reason that there would now be “a putting green on the White House lawn” (if it were only that!). Brady later walked back the comment, and since then has pretty much steered clear of any political endorsements.

On 9/5/2026 at 10:56 AM, impulse said:

Later in my career, I became a "Subject Matter Expert" in an oilfield engineering capacity. I was the guy doing the studies to see what equipment worked best and how to make it last longer. If the results of the studies didn't show our equipment to be better, we never published. We'd use it internally to see what we could do better, but the study never got presented at the symposiums or in the technical papers. The only studies that the public got to see were the ones where our product looked better. That's where my skepticism about "The Science" comes from. I lived it.

sure.... exactly what is to be expected from a profit driven organization.... just don't expect the whole world to have the same priorities.... that would be foolish.

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1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

sure.... exactly what is to be expected from a profit driven organization.... just don't expect the whole world to have the same priorities.... that would be foolish.

Are you claiming that Pharma and political parties and the MSM aren't?

Who pays for the studies? Who pays for the publications? Who pays for the "peer reviews"? None of that is done out of the goodness of people's hearts. People's salaries and their ability to fund their next study are their main drivers.

13 hours ago, Lacessit said:

During his first Presidency, Trump paid less in taxes than a janitor on one of his golf resorts

source

On 9/5/2026 at 3:53 PM, farang51 said:

To those that don't like (read: understand) the traditional media, ask yourself why a paper like New York Times is highly regarded amongst journalist all over the free world.

What percentage of the journalism graduates lean left? Hard left...

That's why the NYT is highly regarded by them.

Edited Sunday at 02:05 PM5 days by impulse

33 minutes ago, impulse said:

What percentage of the journalism graduates lean left? Hard left...

That's why the NYT is highly regarded by them.

Maybe the truth leans left? 😁

Jokes aside, take a look for yourself; and please let us know which of the standards you believe are wrong or leaning to either political side:

https://www.nytimes.com/editorial-standards/ethical-journalism.html

You could also try to compare which of the standards your preferred news sources adhere to and how strict.

Errors and mistakes can happen at any news outlet; the difference is what they do to avoid them, and how they handle it when an error or mistake is found. Most of the so called mainstream media try to adhere to something like the above, although few as strict as NYT.

I got away with a few errors regarding my own bias and errors that I shouldn't have gotten away with back in my day at one of my country's more respected papers. Although, I will say they were certainly not in the league of what I see elsewhere. I wasn't a writer on politics, and I have always leaned center/center right, although I have drifted more to the left seeing and hearing people from the far right over the last couple of decades.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

source

At your request, now get back to us with another incoherent reply.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-12-30/trump-tax-returns-revealed

Trump and his wife, Melania, paid $750 or less in federal income tax in 2016 and 2017. The couple paid zero taxes in 2020 and claimed a $5.5-million refund, according to the returns released by the House Ways and Means Committee, which oversees tax legislation.

In three other years, Trump paid significant amounts. As a share of his income, however, his payments were far below those of the average taxpayer. The returns show he paid $641,931 in 2015, just under $1 million in 2018 and $133,445 in 2019.