Trump Says Iran Deal 'Largely Negotiated', Hormuz to Reopen

1 minute ago, ArchieBunker said:

Oh dear aren’t you in for disappointment.

We will see !!

11 minutes ago, ArchieBunker said:

This deal, if it actually happens won’t last and the allies know it. This is a Cover Our A**’s formality before they go in and mop the desert with the Mullahs and the IRGC. There is absolutely no other alternative, it’s going to happen.

I will cap this post. Hope you don't mind!😂

2 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

We will see !!

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

I will cap this post. Hope you don't mind!😂

Great! Can’t wait for the rub-in. Please prepare and cover your nostrils because it going to be a humdinger!

And here I thought that Iran was dying economically....

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

And here I thought that Iran was dying economically....

Think the yanks have been humiliated enough !!! wonder where the MAGA are !!

5 minutes ago, ArchieBunker said:

Great! Can’t wait for the rub-in. Please prepare and cover your nostrils because it going to be a humdinger!

Curious as to what you think Trump can do, short of about 30 nukes.

Trump gave it his best shot. He didn't begin the war by going after tertiary targets, but after targets he thought would lead to a victory as rapid as Venezuela. It failed. What targets did he miss that he can get now if he's really really supercalifragilisticexpedotiously mad?

Trump failed to understand or appreciate the obvious: that Iran could close the Strait, create economic calamity, and also attack Gulf infrastructure that could take a decade to repair (to build a refinery takes about 10 years). Iran could hit the desalination plants and the Gulf---with much more massive populations vs when they just used wells---would die of thirst.

Iran is likely locked and loaded. If Trump attacks again, Iran likely has targets already selected....refineries, GOSPs, desal plants, airports, even hotels. Command and control is probably decentralized, so an attack anywhere will give commanders authority to retaliate. It's a minor milk spill now compared to what would happen if Iran unleashed more of its missiles. Tens of thousands of Gulf residents, maybe millions, would die.

So I get back to my question: what is this ace in the hole Trump has? I think it's a joker, and he's just inventing a definition of victory, so he can claim he achieved it and save face and go play golf.

7 hours ago, Wuvu2 said:

"Go kinetic" - sounds like the MAGA team is learning to speak Hegsethian 🙄

Seeing as it seems you've never heard this terminology before or don't know it's meaning here's a bit of a definition.

AI Overview

Kinetic warfare refers to traditional military combat involving the deliberate use of direct physical force and lethal violence. It encompasses conventional operations that inflict tangible, destructive damage, such as airstrikes, artillery bombardments, infantry engagements, and missile attacks.

Will the war kick off again "go kinetic" within a week? Well it's was on the edge of kicking off now but the IRGC have got themselves a reprieve. Delaying tactic? Well it is what they do. IMO if the IRGC doesn't guarantee freedom of navigation in the Strait this week they'll get hit and hit hard.

19 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Seeing as it seems you've never heard this terminology before or don't know it's meaning here's a bit of a definition.

AI Overview

Kinetic warfare refers to traditional military combat involving the deliberate use of direct physical force and lethal violence. It encompasses conventional operations that inflict tangible, destructive damage, such as airstrikes, artillery bombardments, infantry engagements, and missile attacks.

Will the war kick off again "go kinetic" within a week? Well it's was on the edge of kicking off now but the IRGC have got themselves a reprieve. Delaying tactic? Well it is what they do. IMO if the IRGC doesn't guarantee freedom of navigation in the Strait this week they'll get hit and hit hard.

Again with assumption !! Trump is a TACO he has been trying to get out of this war for sometime !! according to the leaked MoU iran is still in control of the strait non of trumps agenda has been achieved !! it is the utmost humiliation for the yanks!! there will be no Kinetic warfare

31 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Seeing as it seems you've never heard this terminology before or don't know it's meaning here's a bit of a definition.

AI Overview

Kinetic warfare refers to traditional military combat involving the deliberate use of direct physical force and lethal violence. It encompasses conventional operations that inflict tangible, destructive damage, such as airstrikes, artillery bombardments, infantry engagements, and missile attacks.

Will the war kick off again "go kinetic" within a week? Well it's was on the edge of kicking off now but the IRGC have got themselves a reprieve. Delaying tactic? Well it is what they do. IMO if the IRGC doesn't guarantee freedom of navigation in the Strait this week they'll get hit and hit hard.

Please....stop that nonsense. The Gulf countries and Iran are already speaking of rebuilding the region. They wouldn't be doing that if more destruction was on the agenda. There might be an agreed 'show of strength' in order to save face, but the scene is set.

Trump needs an exit ramp. His words are for domestic consumption. Do you expect him to admit that they messed up? He's trying his best to change the subject. Iran already stated that they weren't looking to create a nuclear weapon, so all of these statements from outside parties emphasising that, are simply to create the illusion of success. But we all know, in truth, that he created even worse conditions than before.

Quite obviously, they are doing their best to make it not appear that way. But statements from Rubio have already revealed that, if you are able to read between the lines.

They are now in the damage control phase.

Intersting to find out Iran won't have direct talks with the US ever.

Everything is in writing and is translated to other languages to ensure corrolation.

10 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

The Gulf countries and Iran are already speaking of rebuilding the region

USA started the war and USA should pay for the havoc they created, period!

13 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Intersting to find out Iran won't have direct talks with the US ever.

Everything is in writing and is translated to other languages to ensure corrolation.

There is an unconfirmed report that this time there might have been a phone call between the two. Like I say unconfirmed but you are right it is the case they (IRGC) does not directly negotiate.

28 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

There is an unconfirmed report that this time there might have been a phone call between the two. Like I say unconfirmed but you are right it is the case they (IRGC) does not directly negotiate.

Amazing how anyone can give a thumbs down to this. I highlighted unconfirmed because it is and agreed with the OP on the regime (now controlled by the IRGC?) not engaging in direct communications. Jeez there some sour old buggers on here.

First TACO served already.

https://finance.yahoo.com/economy/policy/article/trump-says-us-doesnt-want-to-rush-into-a-deal-with-iran-but-ongoing-talks-are-constructive-214848004.html

Trump says US doesn't want to 'rush into a deal' with Iran, but ongoing talks are 'constructive'

President Trump said Saturday evening an agreement with Iran that would set the framework for renewed peace talks and reopen the Strait of Hormuz would be announced shortly. In a Truth Social post on Sunday morning, however, the president appeared to tap the brakes, saying while negotiations were ongoing and “constructive” he did not want to “rush into a deal” and that time was on the US’ side.

“The Blockade will remain in full force and effect until an agreement is reached, certified, and signed. Both sides must take their time and get it right. There can be no mistakes!,” Trump wrote in the post.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Amazing how anyone can give a thumbs down to this. I highlighted unconfirmed because it is and agreed with the OP on the regime (now controlled by the IRGC?) not engaging in direct communications. Jeez there some sour old buggers on here.

Maybe it is because you post unsubstantiated rubbish !! just a guess !!!

12 hours ago, Rimmer said:

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Uploading graphics option came back again - same pc, same Chrome browser. Heavy sigh, I hate Windows 11. This never happened with Windows 10.

9 hours ago, Wingate said:

Curious as to what you think Trump can do, short of about 30 nukes.

Trump gave it his best shot. He didn't begin the war by going after tertiary targets, but after targets he thought would lead to a victory as rapid as Venezuela. It failed. What targets did he miss that he can get now if he's really really supercalifragilisticexpedotiously mad?

Trump failed to understand or appreciate the obvious: that Iran could close the Strait, create economic calamity, and also attack Gulf infrastructure that could take a decade to repair (to build a refinery takes about 10 years). Iran could hit the desalination plants and the Gulf---with much more massive populations vs when they just used wells---would die of thirst.

Iran is likely locked and loaded. If Trump attacks again, Iran likely has targets already selected....refineries, GOSPs, desal plants, airports, even hotels. Command and control is probably decentralized, so an attack anywhere will give commanders authority to retaliate. It's a minor milk spill now compared to what would happen if Iran unleashed more of its missiles. Tens of thousands of Gulf residents, maybe millions, would die.

So I get back to my question: what is this ace in the hole Trump has? I think it's a joker, and he's just inventing a definition of victory, so he can claim he achieved it and save face and go play golf.

add in ability to manipulate markets for his immense benefit along with few other insider tips to billionaire buddies.....place appropriate stock orders, announce straits deal to open in place...share tip when you will announce with few billionaire buddies and cronies...make massive money as markets move...cash out then place opposite orders and then announce no deal after all...make hundreds of millions more .....wash rinse repeat...

Bit off topic but checking flights from LHR - BKK Etihad were offering return flights for £560 including a free 2 night 4 star hotel of your choice in Abu Dhabi.

Who knows you might even get to see a firework display courtesy of Iran.

From FoxNews:

A framework agreement with Iran was “95% there” as of Sunday, officials told Fox News, though they said negotiators were still haggling over "language" detailing Tehran’s nuclear stockpile and the Strait of Hormuz.

“We are not going to roll over. We are not there yet on a deal. We are not going to sign a deal today or tomorrow,” the official said before adding that President Donald Trump’s “instinct is to give them 5, 6, 7 days” to get an agreement over the line.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/trump-iran-peace-deal-hormuz-may-24

INSTINCT? .

13 hours ago, Wingate said:

Curious as to what you think Trump can do, short of about 30 nukes.

Trump gave it his best shot. He didn't begin the war by going after tertiary targets, but after targets he thought would lead to a victory as rapid as Venezuela. It failed. What targets did he miss that he can get now if he's really really supercalifragilisticexpedotiously mad?

Trump failed to understand or appreciate the obvious: that Iran could close the Strait, create economic calamity, and also attack Gulf infrastructure that could take a decade to repair (to build a refinery takes about 10 years). Iran could hit the desalination plants and the Gulf---with much more massive populations vs when they just used wells---would die of thirst.

Iran is likely locked and loaded. If Trump attacks again, Iran likely has targets already selected....refineries, GOSPs, desal plants, airports, even hotels. Command and control is probably decentralized, so an attack anywhere will give commanders authority to retaliate. It's a minor milk spill now compared to what would happen if Iran unleashed more of its missiles. Tens of thousands of Gulf residents, maybe millions, would die.

So I get back to my question: what is this ace in the hole Trump has? I think it's a joker, and he's just inventing a definition of victory, so he can claim he achieved it and save face and go play golf.

Were you actually attempting to get a valid point across here or is it that in your dull boredom you decided to do a garbage dump here on the discussion topic?

On 5/24/2026 at 7:54 AM, Wuvu2 said:

Trump declares the war over every Sunday, a few hours before the stock market opens. I'll offer 10:1 odds the Straight of Hormus is still closed next Sunday at this time.

It is Monday and the stock market is closed for Memorial Day. Oil futures are down 5%, and stock market futures are flying. The mega winners are the folks who saw it coming last week. Being a fly on the Donald's wall is extremely profitable 🤑

9 minutes ago, Wuvu2 said:

It is Monday and the stock market is closed for Memorial Day. Oil futures are down 5%, and stock market futures are flying. The mega winners are the folks who saw it coming last week. Being a fly on the Donald's wall is extremely profitable 🤑

No need to be a fly on the wall, as trading options, puts or calls is really easy for the basic savvy investor. Simply have to follow the rumors, news & trends of the market.

Inside trading helps, but really not necessary to be extremely wealthy, or having just enough or as much as you want, via the markets.

Anyone can work the scams called 'the markets', just need to actually do, instead of crying about other's success at it.

LIVE with YOUR CHOICE ... Do or Complain

24 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No need to be a fly on the wall, as trading options, puts or calls is really easy for the basic savvy investor. Simply have to follow the rumors, news & trends of the market.

Inside trading helps, but really not necessary to be extremely wealthy, or having just enough or as much as you want, via the markets.

Anyone can work the scams called 'the markets', just need to actually do, instead of crying about other's success at it.

LIVE with YOUR CHOICE ... Do or Complain

Your post is totally unrelated to the insider trading that trump and his 'friends' are doing.

29 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Your post is totally unrelated to the insider trading that trump and his 'friends' are doing.

Inside trading is a reality. Everyone who can, does it, and I have. Just another aspect of the scam, called the markets.

Same as saying using an agent to skirt Imm rules is illegal, but those that can, will use, even endorsed by folks that state we can't endorse illegal activities.

Just another almost victimless (trading) crime, that some want to control for themselves, but intelligent people basically have the exact same access to do.

Only those too stupid to take advantage of the opportunity cry about it.

On 5/24/2026 at 8:15 AM, webfact said:

US President Donald Trump said an agreement with Iran had been “largely negotiated”, adding that details of the proposed deal — including the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz — would be announced soon.

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In a social media post on Saturday, Trump said he had held a “very good call” with the leaders of Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Qatar regarding what he described as a “Memorandum of Understanding pertaining to PEACE”.

“An agreement has been largely negotiated, subject to finalization between the United States of America, the Islamic Republic of Iran, and the various other Countries, as listed,” Trump wrote.

He said the remaining details were still being discussed and would be made public shortly.

Hormuz reopening discussed

Trump did not provide specifics about the draft agreement, but said it would include reopening the Strait of Hormuz. The waterway is one of the world’s most important shipping routes for oil and gas exports.

The US president has repeatedly insisted that any deal with Iran must ensure Tehran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon.

Trump also said he had spoken by phone with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday, describing the conversation as having gone “very well”.

Earlier in the day, Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Esmaeil Baqaei said Tehran and Washington had moved closer in their positions over the past week, although he cautioned that major disagreements remained.

Speaking on Iranian state television, Baqaei accused the US of making “contradictory statements” and warned that progress did not guarantee agreement on key issues.

Framework under discussion

Baqaei said Iran was seeking a deal “in the form of a framework” made up of 14 points. He added that both sides were finalising a memorandum of understanding that could pave the way for further talks within 30 to 60 days and eventually lead to a final agreement.

The renewed diplomatic momentum follows growing tensions in recent days.

On Friday, anonymous US officials told domestic media outlets that the administration was preparing for another round of military strikes, although no final decision had been taken.

Trump also posted on Truth Social that he would not attend his son Donald Trump Jr’s wedding this weekend because he needed to remain in Washington during what he called an “important period of time”.

Only last week, the president said the existing truce with Iran was on “massive life support” after rejecting Tehran’s demands as “totally unacceptable”.

Blockade and maritime tensions

The temporary ceasefire between the United States and Iran began in early April.

The US has maintained a blockade of Iranian ports since 13 April. On Saturday, US Central Command said it had redirected 100 vessels, disabled four ships and allowed 26 humanitarian aid vessels to pass since the operation began.

Centcom commander Admiral Brad Cooper said US forces had been “highly effective” in preventing trade through Iranian ports and increasing economic pressure on Tehran.

At the same time, Iran has claimed military control over waters surrounding the Strait of Hormuz and stated that ships passing through the area require authorisation from the Persian Gulf Strait Authority.

The US and its Gulf allies have rejected Iran’s claims over the strait, while Washington has instructed ships not to comply with Iranian regulations.

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I don't hate Trump, but if I were religiously inclined, I'd call him the anti-Christ. Lucky though, I'm an atheist. I am neither left nor right leaning and I can distinguish between right and wrong. I have analytical and critical thinking abilities and can think independently. So, anyone who idolizes Trump, please don't respond to my comment. I've noticed, since Trump was re-elected, positive comments about Trump have declined strongly. Most comments nowadays ridicule the man. Those that supported his insurrection and a possible illegal third term have gone quiet. I wonder why that is? Perhaps it's because Trump was caught lying, insulting and manipulating facts too many times. His illegal war to kowtow to Israel is just that - illegal. Neither Israel nor the US had any legal nor moral right whatsoever to bomb Iran, regardless of what Trump et al want people to believe, and regardless of what I personally think of Iran. Luckily, a lot of the gullible people that were pro Trump in the past have woken up to Trump's incompetence, lies, deceit and illegal maneuvering, gas-lighting and white-washing. Any announcements Trump makes are most likely fantastical and it is likely that the war will continue as Israel wants the complete annihilation of Israel so that they can also annex and occupy that land. According to Trump, as all uranium sites were already destroyed in 2025, which set Iran back several decades, there was never any imminent threat. As a logical consequence, the assassination of the leaders was murder. Part of any peace deal needs to include that various Israeli and US leaders turn themselves into the ICC in den Haag or submit to Israeli justice as well as pay reparations. I'm thinking the same for the West Bank and Gaza. Right is right and wrong is wrong. I can distinguish between the two. No one should have power to murder people and get away with it, especially not the anti-Christ.

52 minutes ago, ZigM said:

I don't hate Trump, but if I were religiously inclined, I'd call him the anti-Christ. Lucky though, I'm an atheist. I am neither left nor right leaning and I can distinguish between right and wrong. I have analytical and critical thinking abilities and can think independently. So, anyone who idolizes Trump, please don't respond to my comment. I've noticed, since Trump was re-elected, positive comments about Trump have declined strongly. Most comments nowadays ridicule the man. Those that supported his insurrection and a possible illegal third term have gone quiet. I wonder why that is? Perhaps it's because Trump was caught lying, insulting and manipulating facts too many times. His illegal war to kowtow to Israel is just that - illegal. Neither Israel nor the US had any legal nor moral right whatsoever to bomb Iran, regardless of what Trump et al want people to believe, and regardless of what I personally think of Iran. Luckily, a lot of the gullible people that were pro Trump in the past have woken up to Trump's incompetence, lies, deceit and illegal maneuvering, gas-lighting and white-washing. Any announcements Trump makes are most likely fantastical and it is likely that the war will continue as Israel wants the complete annihilation of Israel so that they can also annex and occupy that land. According to Trump, as all uranium sites were already destroyed in 2025, which set Iran back several decades, there was never any imminent threat. As a logical consequence, the assassination of the leaders was murder. Part of any peace deal needs to include that various Israeli and US leaders turn themselves into the ICC in den Haag or submit to Israeli justice as well as pay reparations. I'm thinking the same for the West Bank and Gaza. Right is right and wrong is wrong. I can distinguish between the two. No one should have power to murder people and get away with it, especially not the anti-Christ.

I have no idea why you want Trump or Netanyahu go to the ICC???? the ICC has nothing to do with this, it has NO jurisdiction the US and Israel did not ratify the Rome statue therefore no action can be taken by the ICC post facts not guess work

Another day another excuse. This time Trumps telling us a deal was close he said yesterday, with one of his minions saying we will have good news in the next few hours. Twenty four hours later he is telling us all he has told his negotiators not to rush talks with Iran.

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

I have no idea why you want Trump or Netanyahu go to the ICC???? the ICC has nothing to do with this, it has NO jurisdiction the US and Israel did not ratify the Rome statue therefore no action can be taken by the ICC post facts not guess work

The International Criminal Court (ICC) has the legal authority to prosecute any individual for war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and the crime of aggression, regardless of whether or not their country signed up to the Rome Statute. Ka-ching - now that's a fact! However, its power relies entirely on member states to enforce its warrants and execute arrests. Now that's also a fact. Ka-ching! The ICC prosecutes individuals (not countries or governments). So, whether Bibi and Don's countries are members or not is irrelevant. Now that's also a fact. Ka-ching! Also, for your interest, while Iran is not a member state, the best solution would obviously be for Trump to turn himself in to Iranian authorities directly as the atrocities and bombings were committed in Iran. Iran definitely has a stake in this and has authority within its own borders which Bibi and Don violated by murdering leaders of the Iranian government, killing innocent civilians etc. That's also a fact! Because there are already arrest warrants out for Netanyahu et al for what they did in Gaza, and Palestine is a member state of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Bibi can choose where to turn himself in. Palestine acceded to the Rome Statute—the court’s founding treaty—on January 2, 2015, and officially became the 123rd State Party on April 1, 2015. Also, since Israel has occupied south Lebanon, and has started genocidal cleansing to annex the territory, they might as well add that to Bibi's wrap sheet although Lebanon never signed the Rome Statute. Bibi could just plead guilty and perhaps surprise the world by showing he's really a Mensch. The US needs to be pro-active and clean up their act and start turning themselves in. Arrest warrants are valid in any member country. I suggest you fact check the facts and get with the program. I'm tired of unqualified people starting illegal wars and getting away with murder and genocide. Even presidents must be held accountable. Read this: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/04/iran-president-trumps-apocalyptic-threats-of-large-scale-civilian-devastation-demand-urgent-global-action-to-prevent-atrocity-crimes/ and this: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyk7xgkzvzo

5 minutes ago, ZigM said:

The(ICC) has the legal authority to prosecute any individual for war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and the crime of aggression, regardless of whether their country signed up to the Rome Statute. Ka-ching - now that's a fact! However, its power relies entirely on member states to enforce its warrants and execute arrests. Now that's also a fact. Ka-ching! The ICC prosecutes individuals (not countries or governments). So, whether Bibi and Don's countries are members or not is irrelevant. Now that's also a fact. Ka-ching! Also, for your interest, while Iran is not a member state, the best solution would obviously be for Trump to turn himself in to Iranian authorities directly as the atrocities and bombings were committed in Iran. Iran definitely has a stake in this and has authority within its own borders which Bibi and Don violated by murdering leaders of the Iranian government, killing innocent civilians etc. That's also a fact! Because there are already arrest warrants out for Netanyahu et al for what they did in Gaza, and Palestine is a member state of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Bibi can choose where to turn himself in. Palestine acceded to the Rome Statute—the court’s founding treaty—on January 2, 2015, and officially became the 123rd State Party on April 1, 2015. The US needs to be pro-active and clean up their act and start turning themselves in. Arrest warrants are valid in any member country. I suggest you fact check the facts and get with the program. I'm tired of unqualified people starting illegal wars and getting away with murder and genocide. Even presidents must be held accountable. Read this
: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/04/iran-president-trumps-apocalyptic-threats-of-large-scale-civilian-devastation-demand-urgent-global-action-to-prevent-atrocity-crimes/ and this: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyk7xgkzvzo

Ka-ching! as much as you like!! there are only 2 ways anything can happen which as NEVER happened

1United Nations Security Council Referral: The UN Security Council can refer a situation to the ICC which has Never and wont happen due to vetos of the countrys

2Territorial Jurisdiction: If a non-member state formally submits a declaration accepting the ICC’s jurisdiction over crimes committed on its territory which again will not happen

Ka-ching!

The ICC is a Toothless body has been known for years !! why do you think countrys are getting out !!!

Why have they not arrested Putin he is on there list and he has been to county which are a member of the ICC

there are a lot of leaders and people on there list but as i said toothless

so your post is meaningless!! live in the real world not fantisy land

The Court’s 2023 arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin exposed similar tensions. For many observers, the warrant represented institutional courage – a refusal to exempt nuclear-armed heads of state from legal accountability. Yet it also intensified claims that the ICC advances cases aligned with Western strategic interests. Ukraine is not a full Rome Statute member, Russia has withdrawn entirely, and yet the Court moved forward. Meanwhile, the United States, China, Israel, and India remain outside ICC jurisdiction altogether, weakening the Court’s claim to universality. The institution designed to prosecute anyone, anywhere now operates in a world where the most powerful states reject its authority.

Ka-ching!

Just now, MikeandDow said:

Ka-ching! as much as you like!! there are only 2 ways anything can happen which as NEVER happened

1United Nations Security Council Referral: The UN Security Council can refer a situation to the ICC which has Never and wont happen due to vetos of the countrys

2Territorial Jurisdiction: If a non-member state formally submits a declaration accepting the ICC’s jurisdiction over crimes committed on its territory which again will not happen

Ka-ching!

The ICC is a Toothless body has been known for years !! why do you think countrys are getting out !!!

Why have they not arrested Putin he is on there list and he has been to county which are a member of the ICC

there are a lot of leaders and people on there list but as i said toothless

so your post is meaningless!! live in the real world not fantisy land

The Court’s 2023 arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin exposed similar tensions. For many observers, the warrant represented institutional courage – a refusal to exempt nuclear-armed heads of state from legal accountability. Yet it also intensified claims that the ICC advances cases aligned with Western strategic interests. Ukraine is not a full Rome Statute member, Russia has withdrawn entirely, and yet the Court moved forward. Meanwhile, the United States, China, Israel, and India remain outside ICC jurisdiction altogether, weakening the Court’s claim to universality. The institution designed to prosecute anyone, anywhere now operates in a world where the most powerful states reject its authority.

Ka-ching!

Just now, MikeandDow said:

Ka-ching! as much as you like!! there are only 2 ways anything can happen which as NEVER happened

1United Nations Security Council Referral: The UN Security Council can refer a situation to the ICC which has Never and wont happen due to vetos of the countrys

2Territorial Jurisdiction: If a non-member state formally submits a declaration accepting the ICC’s jurisdiction over crimes committed on its territory which again will not happen

Ka-ching!

The ICC is a Toothless body has been known for years !! why do you think countrys are getting out !!!

Why have they not arrested Putin he is on there list and he has been to county which are a member of the ICC

there are a lot of leaders and people on there list but as i said toothless

so your post is meaningless!! live in the real world not fantisy land

The Court’s 2023 arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin exposed similar tensions. For many observers, the warrant represented institutional courage – a refusal to exempt nuclear-armed heads of state from legal accountability. Yet it also intensified claims that the ICC advances cases aligned with Western strategic interests. Ukraine is not a full Rome Statute member, Russia has withdrawn entirely, and yet the Court moved forward. Meanwhile, the United States, China, Israel, and India remain outside ICC jurisdiction altogether, weakening the Court’s claim to universality. The institution designed to prosecute anyone, anywhere now operates in a world where the most powerful states reject its authority.

Ka-ching!

Just now, MikeandDow said:

Ka-ching! as much as you like!! there are only 2 ways anything can happen which as NEVER happened

1United Nations Security Council Referral: The UN Security Council can refer a situation to the ICC which has Never and wont happen due to vetos of the countrys

2Territorial Jurisdiction: If a non-member state formally submits a declaration accepting the ICC’s jurisdiction over crimes committed on its territory which again will not happen

Ka-ching!

The ICC is a Toothless body has been known for years !! why do you think countrys are getting out !!!

Why have they not arrested Putin he is on there list and he has been to county which are a member of the ICC

there are a lot of leaders and people on there list but as i said toothless

so your post is meaningless!! live in the real world not fantisy land

The Court’s 2023 arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin exposed similar tensions. For many observers, the warrant represented institutional courage – a refusal to exempt nuclear-armed heads of state from legal accountability. Yet it also intensified claims that the ICC advances cases aligned with Western strategic interests. Ukraine is not a full Rome Statute member, Russia has withdrawn entirely, and yet the Court moved forward. Meanwhile, the United States, China, Israel, and India remain outside ICC jurisdiction altogether, weakening the Court’s claim to universality. The institution designed to prosecute anyone, anywhere now operates in a world where the most powerful states reject its authority.

Ka-ching!

OK, so you Ka-ching-ed me 😢. I submit, the ICC is a toothless tiger. But that proves that honest people must speak out against war crimes and state sanctioned murder.