healthcaretaker

Pad Kaprow Moo Kai Dow Arroy Mak Mak

Where or what is this ? Some English please

Very useful thread.

I hope information for 2010 will be posted once available.

remind me in 9 months to remind George.

remind me to do that.

hmmm I miss where I in any way wronged you ....

You are a random foreigner

You were upset that he was closed for a few days around a holiday

PS. Please advise the stall/shop owner that a foreigner came all those 3 days and really disappointed. Please advise them to hang a notice if they close for more than 1 say.

The only thing I said is that I won't be running over there to tell him that a random foreigner was upset that he was closed.

Furthermore to my previous post, I wonder why do you quote me on my "PS" sentence only ? If you see my OP, I mentioned only "if anyone happens to be there" and "find out if they open on April 13th".

Do you realise you created 2 or 3 misunderstandings out of my OP and your message ? That's what I mean by "creating misunderstandings from you".

Note: I am not trying penalise you or being unforgiving. I like to be friendly and help each other on their mistakes. Only this way, we can improve, right ?

Have a nice day.

PS. I still hope someone can ask them whether they decide to open on April 13th and 14th as I need to planb my trip.

Thanks again.,

Loy Kratong falls on November 21st- the 10,000 lantern launch held at the Tudong Temple near Maejo will be on Saturday November 20th. If you've never seen that event you need to go.

Where is Tudong Temple ? How far is it from Chiang Mai ? What time is the event ?

hmmm I miss where I in any way wronged you ....

You are a random foreigner

You were upset that he was closed for a few days around a holiday

PS. Please advise the stall/shop owner that a foreigner came all those 3 days and really disappointed. Please advise them to hang a notice if they close for more than 1 say.

The only thing I said is that I won't be running over there to tell him that a random foreigner was upset that he was closed.

Now see yours and my sentences properly. I may be disappointed but NOT upset as you claimed and my suggestion to hang a notice is a good suggestion for theirs and alls benefits. I NEVER ask anyone to run over there JUST to tell the owner I was upset.

Again, please don't create misunderstandings. I am not here for any arguements. I appreciate the help of most members and my message and suggestion is in good faith. Please realise it.

Please don't create any misunderstanding between me and the owner.

Why don't you post your photo so we can take it to the owner to insure that you will get appropriate service when you come in?

How about giving this place a pass and instead visit one of the other 15,000 noodle shops in town? I doubt if if the owner cares one bit at all about the loss of your business and it's doubtful he/she will put up a sign just for your benefit. Don't believe everything you read in Lonely Planet!

You are another one that is creating misunderstanding. Did I mention putting up a sign by the owner is JUST for my benefit ? Please don't insult and accuse me of believing in Lonely Planet. That guidebook is meant for innocent foreigners. From experience, I don't trust their recommendations.

I learnt about this shop from a more reliable guidebook and the response I get from my last visit to Chinag Mai together with my other thread on food proved that that this shop is REALLY good, popular and well-known, unlike those recommended by Lonely Planet due to other reasons.

Of course, I do try other noodle shops. I MUST eat.

Tons of great food in Chiang Mai!

Amongst the things I won't be doing is going to a place where the owner probably works 350 days a year and giving him the message that some random foreigner was upset that he closed for a few days around a holiday.

Please don't create any misunderstanding between me and the owner.

Please reread my post --- "amongst the things I WON'T do ...."

It's the LATER part of your sentence that wronged me.

Please don't create any misunderstanding between me and the owner.

Why don't you post your photo so we can take it to the owner to insure that you will get appropriate service when you come in?

I never ask for such service.

I'm pretty sure that if you can find the date of the 12th full moon in the 2010 lunar calendar then you will have the date for Loy Krathong 2010.

Not a direct answer but I'm sure if you add that info to your googling then you'll find what you are looking for.

JxP

November 21st but depending on which place, their celebration events may differ by a day. From my past experiences, Chiang Mai and Sukhothai never share the same final day for the last few years.

Very useful thread.

I hope information for 2010 will be posted once available.

Tons of great food in Chiang Mai!

Amongst the things I won't be doing is going to a place where the owner probably works 350 days a year and giving him the message that some random foreigner was upset that he closed for a few days around a holiday.

Please don't create any misunderstanding between me and the owner.

When we ate there first 15 years ago we gave it the nickname "Dinosaur" because of their soup with the pork bones (yummy!) - never found out what their real name is we still call it "Dinosaur Noodles".

soup ga dook

Confusing now.

Donnyboy,

Do you know whether everyone is talking about the same place ?

Exactly where is it ?

When I walked there twice, all the shops are closed so I don't know which shop is it and once the songtheaw took me, while passing by night food market(with the Cowboy hat lady on my left), the songtheaw driver could see the shop and tell me it's closed.

I think it's among the first few shops as you enter Prapokklao Road from the South gate direction.

Can someone please confirm ?

Or try to get me their [phone number the next time you visit them.

Healthcaretaker,

You got some bad info suggesting that Chinese New Year Celebrations were only one day.

Unlikely if the shop owner knows now what days he will close or open for Sonkran and if he did, he might just change his mind later.

Finally, since his shop is as famous, he has a lot of business and profit and really does not care a lot if he was closed when you came or about hanging a sign out as you request, unless you someway mean more than a couple of bowls of noodles to him.

But knowing the owner, I will certainly tell him your story next time I visit him.

Thanks but I think the owner will appreciate your suggestion if you tell him to put a sign if closed for more than 1 day. That will save his clients trouble of going there everyday, especially tourists. Please tell him his stall was suggested a a top selling Chinese guidebook.

Out of those 3 days, I ended up eating at the nearby stewed pork rice managed by the Lady with cowboy hat, twice.

BTW, I am surprised Lonely Planet never mention them. Is it really true that LP only mention those with some "other" reasons ?

I have not voted yet.

Why is it that it's stated I have voted after visiting the 2 page ?

There's a lot of variety when it comes to Pad Krapow... Pretty sure everybody has their own favourite.. But it ha been my experience if you order it in a place where farangs are the main client base .. you can expect to be disapointed..

For me I like Krapow Muu (pork) the best.. But it's the choice of meat/whatever that is important.. It's how it is cooked and the ingredients.. I hate to see those pale bland and lifeless looking pad krapow's.. The pan needs to extreamly hot and the meat/whatever and the sauce needs to be cooked 'hard' to colour the ingredients and give flavour.. Insipid krapow with hardly any chilli and only a minute amount of garlic just doesn't cut it..

So for me I like it dark brown with most of the sauce reduced and absorbed..Plenty of pounded chilli and garlic and not too sweet..

The other thing that is super important to my taste is that the egg needs to be a 'Dao Thai' an egg fried Thai style in very hot fat until it is wel browned and slightly crispy on the outside.. Nothing worse for me than a runny 'sunny side up' barely cooked farang fried egg on top.. euuuuuuuu

I'm sure there are exceptions but side street 'tin hut' restos or mobile food vendors make the best pad krapow... Forget those 'hiso' 90-120 baht farang resto versions.. you can't beat the 30 baht roadside original..

Oh.....I finally find a thread on my favourite food. Good to last me until I come back to Thailand for the real food.

Surpise chicken type is so much less popular. Usually, I asked the stall owner which is popular, beef and chicken are more highly recommended.

Is it that foreigners prefer pork ? Not sure how many % of voters are Thais.

Sometime I oredered with shrimnps, I think it's very nice and quite different from those 3 meats.

25 or 30 baht with the cooked dish poured on the rice is too small portion for me

It's taste even better when it dried up a little as in those breakfast or supermarket pack but downside is it got cold and the portion is meant for babies.

BTW, how much will they normally charge if ordered seperate from the rice ?

Recently in Chiang Mai, I asked the restaurant for the price. 30 bath with rice together and 40baht seperate. I ordered seperate on pork and it's easily 2 or 3 times more. I will never go for it served on rice together. How about other places ?

This is the only Thai dish that I can survive on solely, without a second dish in a meal but vege part too little. I am sure you cannot put too much basil. Has anyone tried adding other vegetables into it ? Some places add long bean, any other good adds ?

For home cook, will most people prefer the meat(if chicken) to be sliced or minced ?

I used to observe how they cook hoping to learn(this is the advantage of eating roadside or foodcourt, beside faster, cheaper and feel safer since I see the cooking). I notice the basil leaves are placed last and normally for not more than a minute before the fire will be off. Most mentioned above 2 minutes, which timing is better ?

Strange, why only the rice dish will come with an egg and not if you orfer seperate ?

I will like the egg to be well fried too. If not, it's like having western breakfast on Thai rice.

OK, this much from me for the time being.

Any more tips, variations or recipes before I make my first attempt to cook it ?

BTW, which are the places that local Thais find that serve this dish well in Bangkok and Chiangmai ?

is that the guy who yells out the order in a funny way to the cook, they have luk cheen hua noom & soup ga dook, havent been back there for awhile and not planning to for the time being

I don't know. I have not eaten there yet but dying for it. According to the guide book pictures, i think they have meat balls soup. They are famous there. Several times I asked for a famous noodle shop in that area, everyone knows and direct me to the same location and the songtheaw driver who took me there knows it too.

Which country are you in?

Thanks for those replies.

I am from Malaysia. Not sure if holy basil is available.

What about stock ? is it required ?

I cannot wait for nearly 3 months to get back to Thailand for this dish and I don't want to pay overpriced poor versions in my country

Can someone help to give me a recipe. I actually found a few versions but they need different ingredients.

I am looking for the simplest version done by street-side stalls where they fry with seafood, pork or chicken meat.

Which type of basil leaf is used ?

Thanks in advance.

I went to this restaurant at Prapokklao/Sri Phum junction mentioned in a guidebook and from my other thread, it's verified by by other members as really famous or popular. It's in a shop suppposed visible from the South Gate, the stall sells noodle soup, owner is a young man appeared in TV and known for remembering all his customers.

With full of enthusiam, I went on Feb 14th and the neighbourhood said it's closed for the Chinese New Year festival. I went on the next day, it's closed too, I went again on the 3rd day and it's closed too. A few shops there are all closed too. I am told Chinese New Year is only a 1 day holiday but did not exopect them to close for 3 days and NO notice put up at the door.

I will be back in Chiang Mai April 13th, 14th and want to eat in that shop but it's the Water Festival.

Can someone who happens to be there help to find out from them whether they open for busienss on April 13th and 14th and put the answer here or pm me ?

Thanks in advance.

PS. Please advise the stall/shop owner that a foreigner came all those 3 days and really disappointed. Please advise them to hang a notice if they close for more than 1 say.

I mean pass a message, sorry i cannot edit the title.

Denha is at the western end of Chiang Rai city.

The 3 tall golden plates you are referring to are called Tung Kradan. This place is called Anusawaree Poh Koon Mengrai (King Mengrai Monument).

Pratu Chiang Mai or Chiang Mai gate refers to what used to be a gate through which people would pass through if they were travelling to Chiang Mai. This gate existed during that time when Chiang Rai had a wall around the City. Unfortunately, the walls were destroyed. Remnants of that would could probably be excavated but you would have to tear up the road in front of Samaki School. That ditch in front of Samaki school and that canal was part of the moat that surrounded the ancient city wall.

The walled city had many gates- nine of them if I am not mistaken.

You will have to ask Joel Barlow for more information regading this.

Thank you all of you but I arrived CR late, and stayed only one night, so I missed these posts. Anyway, these messsages are all useful, I will definitely look for these "Mo Kata" in my next visit......a few questions here:

1) What/where is Den Ha ?

2) The bus from CM stopped at the CR new bus terminal and continued along a very long straight road all the way to the Phaniyothin(?) and made a short right turn into the old bus terminal. Somewhere along this road(maybe 1.5 - 2 km) before reaching the old bus terminal/night bazaar, there is a very lively part with a lot of foodstalls, night market, pubs and even a large dvd rental shop and then a large "dark" restaurant(left side) with a board sign written only in Thai and I saw the numbers "98", this this the 98 buffet you guys mentioned ?

3) Any of those 4 places you mentioned near the other part of the city where there is a nice tall pillars of 3 tall golden plates roundabout ? A very unsual monumental design never seen elsewhere.

4) So where is this Chiang Mai gate ? How does it look like ?

So what is Denha ? It means the western part or something else ?

Not all electrical products are cheaper in Malaysia.

I find most kitchen appliances cheaper in the Thailand and Singapore retail compared to Malaysia.

I mean those "eat all you can" or those with a grill/steamer pot.

its in sangkong luang road

near the restaurant fa sai but on the left side when you come from the city

it costs 98 bath pp

How far is it from the Night Market ?

There are some very good lunch buffets in town (140 - 149 Baht), Lannaman mentioned

already the Wiang Inn. The Wangcome has one too, the Rimkok Hotel idem dito and the best one

is not far from the Rimkok (the name starts with a P). Open between 11 am and 2 pm.

I understand that you don't mean these, but the 'mo kata' (spelling?) or Korean Barbeque,

where you prepare the meat yourself at the table on charcoal using the 'hat of Djengis Kan'

as older Chiang Rai people sometimes call it. These places open later.

The one Jaironn mentions must be a very good one as it seems to be the most popular in town.

It's full almost every night.

As far as I know there are at least four more.

Let's say you start at Chiang Mai Gate (Pratu Chiangmai), about hundred meter from Rico's.

From here you could (and still can of course) take the old road to Chiang Mai.

From Pratu Chiangmai to Den Ha this road is called the Rayotha Road.

There are at least two, maybe even three 'Mo Kata's' at the left side of this road before you reach Den Ha.

At Den Ha itself you have one on the first floor in the 'market building' just around the corner to the right

(the road to Pattaya Noi).

Going straight on after Den Ha you take to the left at the first traffic light.

About 400 meters into this Sankong Luang you will find the one Jaironn mentioned at your right.

The maximum distance between these four or five places is about 1,5 km.

If you look for one walking distance from the nightbazaar I would recommend another one.

Coming from the nightbazaar to the main road (Paholyothin) you take to the left.

First you have the T-crossing with the Italian Restaurant Da Vinci and about 300 meters further

is the next traffic light. To the right you go if you want to visit the Regional Hospital.

So in this case you go to the left and cross the street after fifty meters.

There is a parking place in front of it, but the place is a little bit hidden from the street as

there some kind of old wooden shops in front of it.

For those who know Chiang Rai: It is behind the former location of the Reggae Bar.

I hope my rather cryptical geographical description is a little bit understandable.

Have a good dinner!

Limbo

Thank you all of you but I arrived CR late, and stayed only one night, so I missed these posts. Anyway, these messsages are all useful, I will definitely look for these "Mo Kata" in my next visit......a few questions here:

1) What/where is Den Ha ?

2) The bus from CM stopped at the CR new bus terminal and continued along a very long straight road all the way to the Phaniyothin(?) and made a short right turn into the old bus terminal. Somewhere along this road(maybe 1.5 - 2 km) before reaching the old bus terminal/night bazaar, there is a very lively part with a lot of foodstalls, night market, pubs and even a large dvd rental shop and then a large "dark" restaurant(left side) with a board sign written only in Thai and I saw the numbers "98", this this the 98 buffet you guys mentioned ?

3) Any of those 4 places you mentioned near the other part of the city where there is a nice tall pillars of 3 tall golden plates roundabout ? A very unsual monumental design never seen elsewhere.

4) So where is this Chiang Mai gate ? How does it look like ?

I mean those "eat all you can" or those with a grill/steamer pot.

its in sangkong luang road

near the restaurant fa sai but on the left side when you come from the city

it costs 98 bath pp

How far is it from the Night Market ?

Now we've established which airport OP is talking about, I can add that when I arrived in CR taxi to Moon and Sun hotel was Bt200, (picking up g/f at the end of the dual carriageway road out of the airport as that was the closest she could get by public transport) return journey I drove myself but I would imagine Bt200 would be the going rate in that direction too. That was on 14th Jan this year.

Enjoy

Thanks but I asked about town centre to the airport.

How does the poster look like ?

Please don't reveal anymore of the ending.