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who did actually all the burning downs?
and didn't came that after all the killings and silencing?
Killing opponents of the government or protesters, well governments like the one in Myanmar do this. That isn't exactly a government that act like 'the most governments'.
Are you trying to insinuate it was not done by the red shirts?
I don't know who it was.
do you have evidence that it was done by 'the red shirts'? how you know that? did 'the red shirts' send you a twitter message about or where comes your special insider knowledge this time from?
btw. what about the 'Newin did it' twitter message Thaksin had sen or not. That was BS, a lie, right?
so what is your next claim?
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Thaksin isn't my man.
That video is about Tak Bai, was has it to do with the current situation or my argument about the failed state? did thailand improve since Thaksin is gone or did it become worse and worse?
check the failed state index. read what FP mag thinks about Abhisit.
btw. Tak Bai
There was an investigation and a fact finding committee. Khunying Pornthip took part in that investigation.
long read:
I just love the way you use the face plams! It shows your maturity.
You claim that you are very educated, intelligent and have a very decent knowledge about Thailand and its history, but you are not able to connect the dots between past atrocities and future atrocities!
If the PM who was in power during the Tak Bai massacre ever returns from Dubai or Montenegro or France or wherever he is, perhaps he will be held accountable for his orders.
did you read the report from the investigation or did you just post your daily line of bitching about Thaksin without being bothered by facts and objectivity that much?
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Abhisit is making Thaksin look like an amatur.
Abhisit does indeed make Thaksin look like an amateur. That probably is because he is concerned with improving the whole country, rather than lining his own pockets.
Abhisit is concerned with improving the whole country by silencing, jailing, harrassing and killing his political opponents is a truely remarkable display of national reconcilliation
Isn't that how most govenments would deal with violent insurgents who have ruined many lives and many businesses and burned down a great deal of private and public property?
who did actually all the burning downs?
and didn't came that after all the killings and silencing?
Killing opponents of the government or protesters, well governments like the one in Myanmar do this. That isn't exactly a government that act like 'the most governments'.
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Thaksin isn't my man.
That video is about Tak Bai, was has it to do with the current situation or my argument about the failed state? did thailand improve since Thaksin is gone or did it become worse and worse?
check the failed state index. read what FP mag thinks about Abhisit.
btw. Tak Bai
There was an investigation and a fact finding committee. Khunying Pornthip took part in that investigation.
long read:
I just love the way you use the face plams! It shows your maturity.
You claim that you are very educated, intelligent and have a very decent knowledge about Thailand and its history, but you are not able to connect the dots between past atrocities and future atrocities!
You mean the men in camouflage?
well they kicked Thaksin out and support Abhisit. And because of the history and well known reputation of the military Abhisit invited them into Bangkok to hunt down and kill opposition protesters.
some people seems not to learn from the past.
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Yep, i would like to read that at its original source and what he exactly wrote. If the claim above its true, this information should be easy to provide.
Nothing about Newin.
so much about credibility and who is talking the BS.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...ed_States_Index
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3510
to read now and then the Foreign Policy magazine would give you also a clue in what direction Thailand moves according to these so called 'international observers'. (that is not the international community of beer bar patrons in Thailand)
Telling everybody, who dislike the current government, to leave, like the witch hunt on the foreign media, cnn, bbc is an example for an ultra right-wing extremist mindset.
Check the following youtube clip and see where Thailand came from under your mans helm!
Thaksin isn't my man.
That video is about Tak Bai, was has it to do with the current situation or my argument about the failed state? did thailand improve since Thaksin is gone or did it become worse and worse?
check the failed state index. read what FP mag thinks about Abhisit.
btw. Tak Bai
There was an investigation and a fact finding committee. Khunying Pornthip took part in that investigation.
long read:
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Understandable really when the movement is completely lacking in any shining moments of credibility.
Yesterday Thaksin sent a Twitter msg blaming the arson attacks on none other than Newin. This was slightly believable last year owing to the comparatively small amount of time the attacks occurred when compared to this. This time however there's much evidence to suggest the whole thing was premeditated by the reds - more lies from the movement's spiritual liar.
Did he? send that twitter message yesterday, blaming Newin?
What did he wrote exactly, do you have a link? what is Thaksin twitter channel?
Ah, spoken like a true lawyer. "Did you see him do it?", "Can you remember the exact words in their correct order?", "Are you sure this was Thaksin's primary twitter channel?", "Here are the binary representations of 3 twitter channel addresses, can you identify which is Thaksin's?".
Judge, please strike the testimony of this witness.
Yep, i would like to read that at its original source and what he exactly wrote. If the claim above its true, this information should be easy to provide.
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Democrats believe cabinet reshuffle will not cause a rift within Party
BANGKOK, 5 June 2010 (NNT) – The ruling Democrat Party is confident that the cabinet reshuffle will not cause a rift within the party but cannot confirm the government will complete its term in office.
The Government Chief Whip and Deputy Chief of Democrat Party Wittaya Kaewparadai cited the cabinet reshuffle that the government had to make a reshuffle by pulling MPs of Matubhum Party to replace some of Puea Pandin Party in order to maintain the government’s stability. He said the Whip could not control MPs’ voices in such voting within the recent assembly and this cabinet reshuffle would bring harmony within the government.
Meanwhile, Mr Wittaya viewed that reposition of four ministries of Democrat Party would not be a cause of conflict within the Party. He however can not confirm this cabinet reshuffle will help the government to maintain its operation term which will expire after one year and some months.
-- NNT 5 June 2010
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Axed Phaithoon asked to form new political party
By THE NATION ON SUNDAY
Published on June 6, 2010
Outgoing Labour Minister Phaithoon Kaeothong has been approached by veteran politicians to form a new political party following his removal from the Cabinet, a source close to him said yesterday.
Deputy Prime Minister Sanan Kachornprasart and Deputy Finance Minister Pradit Pataraprasit called Phaithoon to offer him moral support following news he would be replaced in the upcoming Cabinet shake-up, according to the source.
Both Sanan, chief adviser to the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party, and Pradit, now a key figure in the coalition Ruam Chart Pattana Party, were previously with the Democrat Party.
Phaithoon is a member of the ruling Democrat Party's advisory council, which is headed by former party leader Chuan Leekpai. Phaithoon has been a multi-time Democrat MP and is considered a leading party campaigner in the North.
The source said that Sanan persuaded Phaithoon to co-found a new political party consisting of politicians from northern provinces to contest the next general election. However, Phaithoon has yet to give an answer.
His son, Democrat MP for Phichit, Narapat Kaeothong, said Phaithoon had not made up his mind whether to stay with the Democrat Party in the next election. "It's a matter for the future."
The young MP said his father was "puzzled" on learning he was to be removed from the Cabinet. He said Phaithoon would not have been so disappointed if he had been notified in advance.
Narapat confirmed yesterday that Sanan and Pradit had called his father, but he declined to discuss any details.
-- The Nation June 6, 2010
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http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...y-30130948.html
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Transport Minster Sophon Saram survived the censure motion vote. He did not so well like the PM himself because he was lacking support from a faction of the government.
Meanwhile Deputy Government Spokesman Prommin Leetheeraprasert of the Puea Pandin Party attacked the Democrat Party and the PM for removing the Puea Pandin Party's factions that voted against some ministers in the censure debate. He said some Puea Pandin MPs voted by adhering to the principle of checking corruption and not to take political revenge.Poll results also show that the majority supported the MPs saying they have the right to use their own judgement. "The fact that the PM is thinking of the government's stability more than upholding his nine iron rules of good governance has created a sick political culture and this is very ugly. How can Abhisit and Chuan Leekpai preach to the others?'' he said -
Understandable really when the movement is completely lacking in any shining moments of credibility.
Yesterday Thaksin sent a Twitter msg blaming the arson attacks on none other than Newin. This was slightly believable last year owing to the comparatively small amount of time the attacks occurred when compared to this. This time however there's much evidence to suggest the whole thing was premeditated by the reds - more lies from the movement's spiritual liar.
Did he? send that twitter message yesterday, blaming Newin?
What did he wrote exactly, do you have a link? what is Thaksin twitter channel?
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Nipit who had earlier been designated for the labour portfolio was talked into accepting the Culture Minister post because Chalermchai declined the Culture Minister portfolio saying he was not suited for the post but was ready to helm any other ministry.
Lucky that Nipit Intarasombat is so multi talented that he can take the Culture Ministry instead of Labour. But why nobody asked Chalermchai Sri-on if he is ready enough to take the Culture ministry before he had declined that offer?
proactive working style.??? 55555. Good luck.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...ed_States_Index
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3510
to read now and then the Foreign Policy magazine would give you also a clue in what direction Thailand moves according to these so called 'international observers'. (that is not the international community of beer bar patrons in Thailand)
Telling everybody, who dislike the current government, to leave, like the witch hunt on the foreign media, cnn, bbc is an example for an ultra right-wing extremist mindset.
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failed state? yes.
with this government thailand has become a failed state.
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In case you hadn't noticed my remarks -because I was deliberately careful - didn't infringe any TV rule.
What I noticed was:
This post has been edited by LivinginKata: Yesterday, 2010-06-03 15:44:39
Reason for edit: Remark removed - LivinginKata
I am impressed Beltre. You are a very observant reader, reminds me of someone else i know with similar skills.
welcome on TV board.
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Agreed
And in addition, even the vast majority of the unconscionable miscreants who are incapable of making a decision without the states help probably deserve some protection themselves. Only legalisation and regulation can offer that.
The only way to bring that illegal market under control.
The Thaksin government was on the way to legalise gambling. This was the reason that Major General Chamlong Srimuang switch the sides went from being a friend and political adviser to Thaksin to become a become a PAD leader.
for the right wing, national socialist and other political extremist gambling is a big social vice and Thaksin with his liberalisations attempt became an evil enemy too.
And so what could have been an interesting discussion turns into not only some religious bigot spouting his crap but the same old political rhetoric.
Cheers for that, I'm off.
Yep, close your eyes and ignore the facts that cannot be used for the usual anti-Thaksin BS propaganda of the wannabe 'experts'.
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He came to power legally when the MPs voted him in as an acceptible compromise when the pro-Thaksin party was disqualified.
Disbanded - members who were not party executives remained MPs.
But you couldn't honestly say he was chosen by the largest number of voters to be their PM.The closest voters come to directly choosing a PM is the party-list vote. And the Democrats narrowly won that, so I would say that Abhisit was the party leader chosen by the largest number of voters (but not an absolute majority).
nahh, to argue with the proportional vote (party list vote) is always somewhat misleading. Only 80 seats of the total 480 seats in the parliament got filled up this way.
for this vote the country was splitted into 8 electoral areas. like Bangkok, the central region, upup north, the south and so on. around each area with a nearly similar size of population. and there where 8 different party list by each paty for the 8 different areas.
So there wasn't a country wide party list. Abhisit was on the party list for Area 6 (Bangkok, Nonthaburi, and Samut Prakan) and got here some 50%, the PPP around 40%. In the south where the very popular ex-PM Chuan Leekpai was on top of the democrats party list the dems got 80% of the votes.
Anyway with the proportional vote PPP won 34 seats and the democrats 33 seats.
And don't forget PPP was an absolute newcomer, with new faces as leader and subjected to anti-propaganda by the Junta unlike the democrats, a well known and established party.
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He came to power legally when the MPs voted him in as an acceptible compromise when the pro-Thaksin party was disqualified.
Disbanded - members who were not party executives remained MPs.
But you couldn't honestly say he was chosen by the largest number of voters to be their PM.The closest voters come to directly choosing a PM is the party-list vote. And the Democrats narrowly won that, so I would say that Abhisit was the party leader chosen by the largest number of voters (but not an absolute majority).
nahh, to argue with the proportional vote (party list vote) is always somewhat misleading. Only 80 seats of the total 480 seats in the parliament got filled up this way.
for this vote the country was splitted into 8 electoral areas. like Bangkok, the central region, upup north, the south and so on. around each area with a nearly similar size of population. and there where 8 different party list by each paty for the 8 different areas.
So there wasn't a country wide party list. Abhisit was on the party list for Area 6 (Bangkok, Nonthaburi, and Samut Prakan) and got here some 50%, the PPP around 40%. In the south where the very popular ex-PM Chuan Leekpai was on top of the democrats party list the dems got 80% of the votes.
Anyway with the proportional vote PPP won 34 seats and the democrats 33 seats.
And don't forget PPP was an absolute newcomer, with new faces as leader and subjected to anti-propaganda by the Junta unlike the democrats, a well known and established party.
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The Government has a responsiblity to protect it citizens, especially the vulnerable ones.
What about the people who aren't vulnerable ?
I guess using your argument we all have to be dragged down to the same level and treated as unconscionable miscreants who are incapable of making a decision without the states help ?
Agreed
And in addition, even the vast majority of the unconscionable miscreants who are incapable of making a decision without the states help probably deserve some protection themselves. Only legalisation and regulation can offer that.
The only way to bring that illegal market under control.
The Thaksin government was on the way to legalise gambling. This was the reason that Major General Chamlong Srimuang switch the sides went from being a friend and political adviser to Thaksin to become a become a PAD leader.
for the right wing, national socialist and other political extremist gambling is a big social vice and Thaksin with his liberalisations attempt became an evil enemy too.
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Murder in the name of reconciliation
By Pravit Rojanaphruk
The Nation
Published on June 3, 2010
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html
How do you reconcile with a group that denies ANY wrong doing?
So murder is the way to go?
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Murder in the name of reconciliation
By Pravit Rojanaphruk
The Nation
Published on June 3, 2010
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html
How do you reconcile with a group that denies ANY wrong doing?
So murder is the way to go?
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Murder in the name of reconciliation
By Pravit Rojanaphruk
The Nation
Published on June 3, 2010
Two weeks after the May 19 military crackdown on mostly unarmed red-shirt protesters and the burning of more than 30 spots in Bangkok, it appears as if it all took place for nothing. Those who hate continue to hate, while those who wanted the red shirts to be punished got what they wanted. Yet there's been no reflection.
Of the 89 killed since April 10, most were red-shirt protesters. The movement continues to be cracked down upon and intimidated with arrests under the emergency decree - all in the name of national reconciliation.
Talk of reconciliation is empty if you shut the ears, eyes and mouths of those very people you claim you want to reconcile with and arrest those who call for a small protest outside an emergency-ruled area, as happened to Chulalongkorn University history lecturer Suthachai Yimprasert. He was arrested and released after a week, while his "co-conspirator", Somyos Prueksakasemsuk, the leftist editor of "Voice of Taksin" magazine, who does not have the status of academic, remains a political detainee.
One human-rights activist ranted that even in the aftermath of the darkest day in modern Thai history - October 6, 1976 - the names of those arrested were made public. This time, two weeks after May 19, we still don't have such a list.
Also, how long will Bangkok and the 23 other provinces be ruled under the emergency decree? Should it continue for another month, or until the next general election is held late next year? We are now at the mercy of the Abhisit Vejjajiva regime and those behind him who are deeply insecure and addicted to the idea of emergency rule in order to sustain an illusion of political normalcy.
In this climate of "reconciliation", transparency, rights to political assembly and due process of law are gone, as arbitrary arrests and censorship under the emergency "law" becomes the new norm. One disturbing "truth" is the story behind the death of six people at Pathum Wanaram Temple.
Though Abhisit told the lower House that an "independent" committee would be set up to find out the truth, the government's statement, released in English and dated as early as May 20 - one day after the tragedy - purportedly stated with absolute certainty that it was "a well-planned operation on the part of the armed group who knowingly took advantage of the temple's designation as a safe area �".
So why the need for a committee when "the definitive truth" is already readily available a mere day after the incident? I think the government's failure to fly the national flag at half mast even for a day to mourn the loss of lives is probably the most sincere reflection of the authority's sentiments. The fact that most red-shirt leaders failed to come up with even a single sentence to express a sense of contrition for those who lost their lives , properties or were undeservedly affected is equally inexcusable.
Many people, be they red or non-red, were left to deal with the pain and sorrow by themselves. A red-shirt contact said on Tuesday that many fellow members of the movement upcountry felt that they have no place to stand. Their mass-media outlets have all been shut down, while their arch-enemies - the yellow shirts - are taking great pleasure in their defeat. For many, death seems to be the only way out.
Some red shirts from the cities have visited their fellow protesters upcountry to sympathise, while others are learning how to shoot so they can seek revenge.
Back in Bangkok, a hundred small notes mourning the burning down of the Siam Theatre were left at the site. Only one of these notes expressed condolences for those who were killed - the rest were more disturbed that a fire had consumed their favourite movie theatre.
-- The Nation June 3, 2010
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http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...n-30130765.html
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Only small minded and probably not that well educated people judge a lawyer by his clients.
There you go with that education level thing again.
Are you suggesting that we should not judge a lawyer as bad just because he is representing Mr. Thaksin?
Yes, don't call a lawyer bad because he is representing Thaksin.
Why dont we read the book ' Defending the Devil' by William Morrow and feel some sort of sympathy for poor mr Amsterdam. Shant we?
Do you mean "Defending the Devil: My Story as Ted Bundy's Last Lawyer"? That book is written by Polly Nelson. William Morrow is the publishing house, not the author. Do you know the difference? Did you read it?
And why should i read the book? Care to explain?
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steady rise? 5555 and 555555
Here, a present to cheer kitty. facedesk =
ahh, cute. (=
=) thank you. but i prefer the basic version.
=) thank you.
Thai PM Abhisit Under Fire Over Deadly Crackdown
in Thailand News
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I was asking for the source where i can read what Thaksin wrote himself about Newin and the fire.
You gave me a link. but that proves nothing that such words had been said. so for what you posted the link?
wasn't it you who asked me 'how i can know something about a posters education level?' 55555.
btw. what is a :handdesk:? never saw that before, care to explain?