tingtongtourist

5 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said:

Go too your local immigration office and ask to see your immigration history. It is all there on the system. I have seen mine all the way back to 1989 and could of gone back further. Every entry, every time you departed. Flight numbers, passports, TM6 cards you have filed, TM30 reports etc. Everything is there on the system. Immigration offices have access too the exact same system as entry points.

Well I never experience such a friendly Immigration officer as this!

I think if you try it in Bangkk they will look at you strangely,

ask why you want?

or tell you to "bpai Loy"

or maybe all 3!! 

maybe i try it next time i am at the upcountry office.

23 hours ago, dcnx said:

They still don’t log overstays. 

 

A new passport is a clean slate.

This debate been going on for years and even now is only down to peoples opinion.

Even the most knowledgable moderator on this thread, indicated he cant say 100% for sure.

First, many claim they match the old passport to the new with the PP number,

but it cant be right since i had many new pps myself and got new numbers every time.

Then they say IMMs match new PP to your old PP history by using other personal data.

personally, i doubt Thailand IMMs system was ever this well organised or even have a data matching capablility...

certainly not before the "chip" passports came into place anyway, but now it might be different.

and this is the trouble, 

To many TV parrots squarking about things as if they are the fact, when they really do not know 100% at all!!!

the only way we can know for sure is if some TV member have a Thai in-law or some really close Thai friend that is higher up in IMMs..

but since when does hi-up Thai IMMs ever associate with farangs?

lol

except for all BบเเsHit artists here on Thaivisa of course. 5555  

On 3/2/2019 at 12:11 PM, Lovethailandelite said:

Then unfortunately, you are not suitable for the scheme. You are what is termed as 'Undesirable' in the eyes of immigration.

I am wondering if you

<Lovethailandelite>

do work or are an agent for this elite visa scheme?

not doubting anything you say,

but since you seem to speak like some sort of authority on this subject, 

telling people they are undesirable etc etc

the members might want to know if you are actually qualified to say this, or is it just your opinion as a TE member?

On 3/2/2019 at 12:27 PM, simon43 said:

This is worrying news (for me).  I already have a 5-year TE visa, which expires this year in September.  But if I do a visa-run before that expiry date, then I should (not yet fully confirmed) that I'll get a further one year visa stamp which would see me through to September 2020.

 

But what then?  In the past 18 years of living in Thailand, I know that on at least 2 occasions I overstayed by one or two days, (my own fault, either due to not reading the visa expiry date correctly, or due to my departing flight date and immigration advice to pay the small fine at the airport).

 

Does that make me an 'undesirable', even though I already have a TE visa?

 

These visa rules are getting crazier and crazier...

This does answer many questions, you  got granted elite visa even with a few questionable things in your history.

But surely they will not reject the renewal if the visa already in your passport?

but who knows..they would be very poor sods if they did.

It looks more obvious now these IOs make a decision simply on a "whim" or at least using  some "case by case" strategy.

So, maybe you are Brit and happen to have a 1-2 overstay they might disregard by itself.

-But if have 1 day overstay, and happen to be the citizen (of say Nigeria) the officer have a "bad feeling" certainly he will reject.

anyway the rules always said, even if your granted a visa you can be denied entry by a individual officer anytime.

sad to say it, but the buck can stop with just 1 power tripper officer

 who will have a bit of a beef against your nationality or skin colour or just dont like the look of you

5 hours ago, thaistocks said:

This statement is exactly one of the off things here, the police are here to enforce the law and give a fine, if called for. Not for patronizing macho behavior to citizens or tourists. The penalty is the fine, nothing more. Its uncalled for the policy to then take it on themselves to bully up unless the person becomes violent or outright insulting. The French are not off, nor anybody else, for resisting this often rogue behavior by then on top, corrupt officials.  Upcoming Thai elections will be most interesting to see if the Thai people at once stand up to increasing militaristic behavior, dictating and lecturing through force its citizens. Its the few people which stand up and resist the elites and those in power, at least sometimes, which make la difference.

ok, im guessing you are French with such eloquent words? 555

but this statement from you will not help anyone really, when you say it to a Thai policeman..

and he be like

" arai <deleted> wah "

5555

On 2/26/2019 at 10:19 PM, JackThompson said:

Agree with the result of stronger currency on trade, but it's when the opposite occurs that you get a catastrophe.  Forcing expats to hold money in the banks longer also strengthens the currency.  For some reason, TPTB want a stronger Baht - I do not know why, but they could easily reverse this condition via printing-money for spending on social-services, dams, roads, etc. 

oh yeah, cos printing money willy-nilly worked so good for America

lol

they led the whole world into lowering interest rates to ZERO

which started the biggest income shift of all time, stealing off older generation (investors) all going into the pockets of wealthy and financial institutions.

and *(bonus) at the same time causing crippling personal debt from getting people addicted to cheap credit.

working slaves.

yeah good one.555

So now 'Merica cannot (and never will) even be able to print enough money to service its massive debt.

555

i think for all the crap people put on Thailand, its financials are pretty solid compared to others

On 2/27/2019 at 11:09 AM, Puchaiyank said:

They are more frugal when there is no farang to lean on...

yes, but how easy guys like OP get fooled??

When the farang is on the scene, splashing money around like confetti...

lol

Of course they will tell you they got 

Zero baht!!

but in actual fact they probably banked everything last baht they came accross...

or given to Thai BF or family!!

12 hours ago, Thunder26 said:

I'm just wondering. Isn't it a human basic right to be allowed to have a job? Thai government is unspeakably racist towards foreigners. I hope there will be some changes in their attitudes in the future.

Id say just about every country in the world require the foriegners to have some kind of work visa or licence, permit. etc

you cannot just go to some other country and start a business or work at your own liesure.

if they allow it in your country, then please let me know where it is, i will consider to go and start business there

;0)

well if whats said above us true it sounds like the "BIG JOKE" is on us.

but those agents are greedy cockroaches i know for sure, so who is really to know who gets what slice of the pie.

To say Immigration set it all up to get more tea money sounds a bit paranoid tho.

I think theres high-up guys in IMMs thats honestly trying to fix things, but they will never stop the troops on the ground finding a way to get some tea money.

Many farnangs will keep complaining hard about how bad Thailand is and how they are leaving, 

but still they will keep paying nearly ANY amount to stay here.

the mind boggles.5555

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

12 hours ago, tingtongtourist said:

SO..,
now its UNFAIR because for years and years these guys been using visa agents to fraudulently get around financial requirements.
 
now Immigration actually asking for real proof.
 
yeah..SO unfair
5555

I haven't seen any proof yet agents have stopped

Well, the first report i read says that the IMMs knew what is going on about agents giving applicants the "one day loan" deposit, to fix up the financial requirements.

They said the requirement of having the money seasoned for another 3 months after would stop that, so the intention was always to stop the agents doing it.

So surely Imms are not so stupid that they wont check the bank accounts and just let the agents deposit the amount again on the 2 month 29th day before the 3month check?

Or is the agent gonna leave that money in the accounts for 3 months?
and loose a lot of investment income..very VERY unlikely!!

But now I heard of agents are telling people "dont worry about it...nothing changes"

So either the agents price is gonna go WAY UP as there will be a bigger (ahem) "costs" involved in getting it to go through smoothly.

So if the next hike they are talking fees around 30-40k +
a fellow might as well just fly back home and apply for visa in his own country.

can either get ME visa from a consulate or maybe show the money requirement in his home currency bank for retirement visa

29 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Out of the 7 or 8 friends (aged 50-70) I made in Chiang Mai over the last 10 years

4 died, 1 returned to Australia, 1 returned to the UK, 2 are living in Cambodia.

I'm the only one left out of the group I knew.

 

3-4 of us still meet up every year, last year it was HCMC, this year it was Siam Reap.

I guess what else can you say? 

If your around 60+ now, then you probably got the best of Thailand.

Crazy nights and crazier women, they gotta come to and end sometime! 

"Do not go gentle into that good night,

Old age should burn and rave at close of day;

Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Do not go gentle into that good night."

-Dylan Thomas

SO..,

now its UNFAIR because for years and years these guys been using visa agents to fraudulently get around financial requirements.

now Immigration actually asking for real proof.

yeah..SO unfair

5555

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

There is surten things all women think we should now, and act like we know. Of course asian women need money, every women need economic surplus from a relationship. Benefits that make all the work worth. 

 

As one of my previous gf´s said once looking at the loose falang women in a bar in phuket "Stupid falang women, deleted, for free!

I heard so many Thai women that dont even work in a bar say stuff like this, so many times.

But for sure you will cap flock on here saying most Thai lady think like this!!

To many TV warriors like to pretend and fool themself that it is not so!

 its true, maybe a few lucky guys tapped into the tiny pool of Thai women that arent like that

but they are hard to meet for the average farang.

But even then they will still have other problems with the expectation of a lady expecting the living standard of a hi-so.

houses, cars, bikes, expensive holidays, "loans" for family members..it goes on and on if you let it.

my advice to this OP, same as i always said 2 things.

1. never get married

2. you need to go live back home occasionally, or at least leave Thailand and travel for some times.

you must learn them of the possibility you can dissapear at any time.

if live in Thailand full time and the lady knows you got no other options and are cut-off from home..

well you are sitting duck ready for milking and basically fบcked!!! 

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

As far as I know, we haven't heard one bit of information about this.

Does going under (either during the three months 800K or the later 400K) simply mean you won't be eligible for your next extension, or does that put the expat's current extension into the not valid zone. There was a comment from Phuket immigration about the 400K saying -- just don't do it. But people will do it either because they plan to leave or it just happens. 

do you really think they will be monitoring all farangs bank accounts and come chasing people the day it goes under 400k?

lol

if you intend to leave and spend the cash before, but have permitted to stay stamp date is X months into the future, you can stay until that date without worry..

dont think they are gonna come banging your door down lol

19 hours ago, Murka said:

No I am not . Just I am don’t worry if they find me and I have to pay 30 000 I count with this option. But I worry If the someone stop me when I will leaving the country in the immigration. Do they are connecting together police and Immigration government ? By the way this problem with police happend 2 weeks ago ???? 

Im sure they could contact Immigration and flag your passport so you will be stopped at airport or border and arrested

but depending your location and what the cops are like. 

they are probably to lazy to go through  that extra work.

maybe the local police have pics of you allaround the station tho. 

kind of a treasure hunt for the one who find you and start money extraction

lol

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Did you also find something like SouthAmerica-Visa with stories of all the guys who thought that is the place and then found out it's not?

 

I had a friend who researched his new place where he wanted to live more or less with a finger on the map. He looked at the weather, economy and other data. But I don't think he ever tried to contact people in that place before he moved there. A few weeks after moving to there he complained that there are only old people and few jobs...

 

I don't know how easy it is to get into contact with the locals wherever you go. But I guess it's a good idea to do that before you move. And then maybe think twice if that is really where you want to move.

 

Good luck!

IMO, your reasoning is all ok, except for this part about finding work.

really no country in the world wants or invites outsiders to come

"taking our jobs"!!

I really dont get why people want to move to lower economy countries if they need to work to survive? 

why?

the wages are rubbish and the hoops are getting harder to jump every year, so with all the visa issues,  its just not worth it.

best to stay your own country, work plan and invest, then GO...

but FOR SURE dont come to Asia with nothing, expecting to earn your fortunes when even millions of natives struggle day to day.

they will eat you up!

7 hours ago, CaptainJack said:

Good comment.   Yes, you are absolutely correct.  I can't speak to those who have been here for years, only they know their circumstances,  but i think it should be an absolute minimum of one million baht in savings if moving to Thailand.   Other countries,  especially closer ones where access to home country services might be needed may change that formula. 

 

Fortunately for me, i did not burn any bridges.   My family is all passed away and because of my life style and work, i just don't have many real friends back here in the USA.   That's not such a big deal for .e, except i don't have any place to hokd up for long.  It simply adds to my expense profile. 

 

Thanks for your contribution....

 

CJ

well, i dont know what things are like in certain points of America, but everything online nowadays maybe theres certain groups online to help or just hookup with others? 

TBH, i really dont get this thing about social status, and not having this or that, or worrying about what people think.

No 1 thing, dont let other peoples opinions mean more than your own opinion of yourself.

truth be known, youve probably had a better lifes then all these other miserable ones stuck in the rat race on a dead end job.

anyway IMO, best not to rely on others for your own hapiness..most the time you will always get let down, and needless to say the possibility is slightly higher when we deal with Thai people!

15 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Just tell them you could have saved the money for a big house.

But instead you spent it all on young and pretty Thai ladies for the last couple of years. Maybe show them a couple of pictures of your pretty friends.

The women will obviously be appalled by this story. The men will also pretend to be appalled, at least if their wives are around. But then lots of guys will think about if they spent their money on the right enjoyment until now... ???? 

thats the thing about to many guys..

not enough brain matter mean they are easily ruled by the small head that is tucked away and dont know much about the real world!

unfortunately they dont hear about the stories when guys are jumping off tall buildings because they didnt plan and ran out of money and the visa expired.

I know this wont help but dont you will find no answers here.

If you burned your bridges at home, moved away with little money, to a place that has virtually zero money earning potential (for most expats)

well, the writing was always on the wall.

Sounds like you have to start over again, thats a hard one and sorry to hear you must go through this, but maybe your story will help others to see that saving (or at least having) WELL OVER 400-800k baht might be a good idea towards preventing disaster.

anyways you are only gone 11 months. its nothing compared to some who have been here YEARS and have to do the slow march home.