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Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits.
FYI. it is the decision of Thai courts to grant bail or not. Thaksin have nothing to do with it.
how witty you are?
That's what I would have thought. The Thai courts are a lot fairer that most here give them credit for. Thaksin's lawyers were caught in a bribe. Somchai's, Thaksin's brother-in-law, government was disbanded. Now here, DSI can't keep these guys from getting bail.
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It is hard to imagine that he was ever sane enough to be accepted to work there.
I wish I were his agent !
He's gonna make a lot of money when he gets back to UK.
I would not wish too hard. There was a guy some years ago, looser kind of guy, who jumped in the water and went over Niagra Falls with only his cloths to become the first ever to survive without a boat or a barrel. He was famous for about 12 hours, then forgotten.
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Agree with thaibkk, it's pointless having 100mbit within Thailand if they don't pay for International bandwidth! Well for us Farang's anyway...
I see the opinion has been posted several times. Yes, 25MB to the door is pretty useless with so many bottlenecks elsewhere. Anyone with 1 or 2 MB to the home already knows that. It's not just the international gateway, overseas source servers can be slow, too.
The way it is, not much you can do except hang out at TV.
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It's so easy for Thaksin and his fans to brush this off as 'politically motivated'. Truth is, it IS politically motivated because you have an exiled criminal former Prime Minister evading justice while simultaneously stirring up a revolution and financing it from abroad. There is plenty of evidence to suggest Thaksin has played a major part in financing, encouraging and directing the recent protests and that certain terrorist elements are linked to him, if not directly, through 'prior knowledge'.
Now, if this case was in the US, or compared to how Bin Laden was behind the terror attacks of 9/11 even though he was sitting in a cave somewhere, then yes, Thaksin should be equally judged as being suspected of encouraging for terrorist activities. Certainly the CIA would be going after him in every corner of the world, invading countries who harbour him and getting away with it (oh, and incidentally not be referred to as a failed state or laughing stock of the world).
It's a pity there is the background of the coup for it gives Thaksin and excuse to rubbish the Thai legal system and claim that every verdict against him is politically motivated. But the truth of the matter is that the cases so far have been thorough, transparent and lengthy (5 hours to read a verdict!), and so far no major international observers or organisations have come out and said the verdicts were questionable.
Everyone sees this warrant for his arrest as a desperate attempt by the govt to get Thaksin but actually they are following the correct procedure to investigate and arrest people involved in terrorist activities that have caused a very serious threat to the nation's security recently. Furthermore, Thaksin is not guilty yet of terrorism, he stands accused on some substantial evidence and if he is confident that he's innocent and had no involvement whatsoever in the terror acts, then why not come to Thailand and fight the charges and clear his name.
Of course Thaksin was/is corrupt, but don't you see that he is being made a scapegoat for a political system that is corrupt and rotten to it's core? If you think that legal agenda are hunky dory, sorry..... They were bad under Thaksin's rule and they are just as bad now. The five hour verdict happened for a reason, believe it-or-not
. Why should Thaksin return to Thailand to clear his name? In my opinion he is guilty of so many abuses, but if the legal system was to be applied fairly and across the board, Thailand's political landscape would be all-but wiped out.There are not many words in your assessment that I could disagree with. The only one might be "scapegoat". One could alternatively view Thaksin as the first to hang. Even the view between scapegoat and first to hang is probably blurred. But honestly, for Thailand to progress, they must start somewhere. The dirty side of Thailand is the politics, not the people, not the military, and obviously not the monarchy. Thaksin was the best there ever was and the best there ever will be as far as all things bad. If Thailand is going to clean up, then Thaksin is the one to hang high for all to see.
The real scenario is more than likely the less bad rejecting the more bad, only to find their actions come back to haunt them. But this is the only way cleanup can start when all the apples are rotting. The only sector of Thai society that can follow through is the judiciary, which is in much better shape that most TV pop cynics snipe. I find it no surprise that the monarch has long bestowed heavy social responsibility on the judiciary.
When Somsak's govt came to power, he bestowed praise and responsibility on the judiciary, to the new politicians he could only say, "I know it's going to be tough for you, but please, at least try to do just a little bit of what you have been elected to do". A great line spoken to a newly elected government!
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The bullet wa sof the type used by the Army - no one is seriously suggesting the reds shot into the temple are they? that would be incredulous in the extreme and in very, very bad taste and I don't believe even the most hardened yellows on here would claim that.
I suspect they did.
hmmmmm People have thought since April that Sae Daeng's ronin were responsible for the headshots on the reds that came from inside the area they controlled. It has been said since before they came to town that they needed Red red blood on the streets to force the government to fold nd that they would use ANY means to make sure that happened. Why wouldn't we believe that the people responsible for grenading people at random would hesitate to further Thaksin's political aims but making a few more red martyrs?
If you don't see this as a POSSIBILITY then you really have not been in Thailand very long OR studied Thai politics at all.
One only need clear the mind and write out the answers to the following.
1. What possible benefit does the government have by targeting and killing people in the temple after the breakup of the protests in an obvious way?
2. What possible benefit do anti-government forces have by targeting and killing people in the temple after the breakup of the protests in an obvious way?
3. Who might be considered anti-government?
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This guy and the Irish guy from the red shirts are whats termed here as "new Australians", people who have been granted permenent residency. Some may has also taken Australian citizenship. Its a continuation of the proud Aussie trandition of importing criminals.
If it had been an American, he would have followed proud tradition and escaped.
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The You Tube video showing army soldiers shooting into the temple from the BTS tracks (lower track) is clearly May 19th due to the fires and smoke. How could Suthep claim this must have been May 20th as no soldiers were on the tracks on the 19th.
I hope after the next elections the new government clearly invokes a UN independent investigation into April and May 2010. Lets all hope and pray PTP win the election and then FULL investigations are carried out into what will then be these past events.
More red disinformation. This video has been studied. There is no way to determine that the people are soldiers, or even that they are wearing green, the guy on the left is wearing a light colored item on his back. It's possilbe they are and possible they are not. There is no evidence of any shooting from these people. The time is about 7:30PM on the 19th.
Your entire premise has no foundation. If you would like to help maybe you can look for the following information.
1. What time of day were the people in the temple shot?
2. Where in the wat did the shootings occur?
The reward for you doing a little work might be the ability to provide some evidence for your potentially false allegation.
Good luck.
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Yep, i would like to read that at its original source and what he exactly wrote. If the claim above its true, this information should be easy to provide.
Nothing about Newin.
so much about credibility and who is talking the BS.
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I provided you with one of Thaksin's twitter sites, a Thai one. I made no claim that this was the same source as mentioned in the article. You will have to check out that lead before forming your opinion that it was BS. Did you read Thaksin's denial on this site?
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Understandable really when the movement is completely lacking in any shining moments of credibility.
Yesterday Thaksin sent a Twitter msg blaming the arson attacks on none other than Newin. This was slightly believable last year owing to the comparatively small amount of time the attacks occurred when compared to this. This time however there's much evidence to suggest the whole thing was premeditated by the reds - more lies from the movement's spiritual liar.
Did he? send that twitter message yesterday, blaming Newin?
What did he wrote exactly, do you have a link? what is Thaksin twitter channel?
Ah, spoken like a true lawyer. "Did you see him do it?", "Can you remember the exact words in their correct order?", "Are you sure this was Thaksin's primary twitter channel?", "Here are the binary representations of 3 twitter channel addresses, can you identify which is Thaksin's?".
Judge, please strike the testimony of this witness.
Yep, i would like to read that at its original source and what he exactly wrote. If the claim above its true, this information should be easy to provide.
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Understandable really when the movement is completely lacking in any shining moments of credibility.
Yesterday Thaksin sent a Twitter msg blaming the arson attacks on none other than Newin. This was slightly believable last year owing to the comparatively small amount of time the attacks occurred when compared to this. This time however there's much evidence to suggest the whole thing was premeditated by the reds - more lies from the movement's spiritual liar.
Did he? send that twitter message yesterday, blaming Newin?
What did he wrote exactly, do you have a link? what is Thaksin twitter channel?
Ah, spoken like a true lawyer. "Did you see him do it?", "Can you remember the exact words in their correct order?", "Are you sure this was Thaksin's primary twitter channel?", "Here are the binary representations of 3 twitter channel addresses, can you identify which is Thaksin's?".
Judge, please strike the testimony of this witness.
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Spouting propaganda with terms like "freshly slaughtered", referring to the government as the "junta", "unelected PM". There is no way this guy will present an unbiased view of events. He said he "I stood witness to these exchanges from inside the red shirt encampment in the final days" referring to an exchange of talks about mediation. No mention made of the fact his client's puppets at first accepted the roadmap & then backtracked with silly demands which they knew would scuttle the roadmap.
IMO the objective right from the start of the protest was to promote anarchy & chaos with the aim to start a civil war if their demands were not met. One can view how the events escalated & were well orchestrated, something which cannot be done on the fly.
No mention of the fact Thaksin's Lawyer was invited into the heart of Red shirt negotiation meetings,
but.... rimshot.... Thaksin has no involvement with the Red Shirts.... uuuuuh..
So how come Jeff Savage wasn't consulted and let into the inner sanctum of red leadership?
Farang lawyer Amsterdamn, here to for unknown in Thailand,
suddenly has full access to back room red leadership, but HOW?
He says Thaksin has no connection with Red Planning, so why would Amsterdamn get into decision central?
Very simple, because his client Thaksin is directly connected to Red Central Decision making.
No other way would a farang come from out of nowhere and suddenly have this access,
and not even have a press pass.
Just Amsterdamn's very presense there, belies his statements that Thaksin is not squarely involved.
Ah, nice. Logic is mightier than the lie.
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P.S. I just came across Amsterdam's own response to the Nation Editorial - about which I pass no judgement.
http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2010/06/the..._the_nation.htm
These guys, Amsterdam and Knoobs, are on a PR campaign, nothing else. I had a look a the above website, it shows clearly they got nothing else to do than to probably distort the truth for money, at least that is what they attempt.
Poor Mr. Amsterdam. Get it wrong already in first sentence (government-controlled Thai newspaper) but interesting as he is already on defence strategy.
Do you believe that the Nation's output is not controlled by a higher authority?
Yes, it is controlled by the Buddha and the Three Universal Truths. If you mean the government directly controls the newspapers, no, not in Thailand, that would be places like Singapore, Vietnam, and Burma where people live in a virtual government reality.
Yes they are somewhat biased, but if you want pure unapologetic bias, read the New Your Times or watch Fox news. Try both at the same time if you dare.
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The red-shirt stole army bullets. Use that to should Seh Daeng, so they can blame the army.
Simple trick.
Things are not always so simple in Thailand. Perhaps....
.... the army shot him with army bullets to make it look like the reds stole army bullets to shoot him to make it look like the army shot him, to make it look like the reds shot him..
Or, the reds stole army bullets and shot him to make it look like the army shot him with army bullets to make it look like the reds stole army bullets to shoot him to make it look like the army shot him, to make it look like the reds shot him, to make it look like the army shot him.
Or, he was shot by both reds and army precisely when Arisman became both real and fake firing both real and fake bullets that miraculously passed through the same hole, one of which, the .308, was found by real doctors at the hospital and the other, the P90, was found by the fake army ordinance officer and reported it to a real Peua Thai MP just as he became the fake committee head, thus creating balance.
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Bullet that killed Seh Daeng was govt type
By The Nation
BANGKOK: -- A House committee on military believes that the bullet that killed MajGeneral Khattiya Sawasdipol, a rogue military officer and a prominent member of the redshirt movement, is the sort used by the government.
The committee's chairman Colonel Somchai Pesprasert, a Pheu Thai MP, made the announcement yesterday. He was speaking after he summoned some senior policemen to testify on Khattiya's case.
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Major Songpol Iamboonrat, adviser to the committee, believed a P90 rifle might have been used to gun down Khattiya.
"It has great precision and its bullets can cut through soft armour," he said. Songpol used to work at the Royal Thai Army's Ordnance Department.
So he is saying the shooter was within 50 meters of Seh Daeng?
I mean, the P90 is NOT a rifle, unless he is referring to some very unusual labeling, and is used in a CQB fashion.
A couple of days after Seh Daeng was shot there was a report, I thought from the hospital but not necessarily credible, the bullet had been a .308. Now this P90 with its weird 5.7x28 round.
I would like to know how anyone knows what round was used if they didn't recover the bullet?
The key to this article are the words "believed it might have been", so it means they don't know, and the information comes from a Peua Thai MP. Note also the guess comes from an an army ordinance guy who mentions the gun's armor piercing abilities. Where's the logic? Unless Seh Daeng was thicker headed than we thought.
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On the clothes they are wearing, but most importantly that on the 19th I don't think any group of black shirts could have gone up the Skytrain rails because the army was occupying (as far as I know) the stations on either side of that place.
Fair enough response. We have, however, seen video of opposition teams with some members wearing camo. Personally I can't make out what they are wearing. It could be army green, but the video isn't clear enough to tell. As far as getting up on the tracks, I don't think that would be difficult at all. I'm not certain if army was holding both Chid Lom and Siam. Perhaps they were, but I am unaware of the full facts of army operations and positions. There is one further complication in that we don't know when this video was taken. Consequently, I won't rush to judgment on who these guys were and when the video was taken. It could very well be army personnel and it is equally possible that they were not.
Yes, it is far from obvious they these people are wearing army uniforms, it's not obvious they are not.
There have been reports that reds/blacks have worn army like cloths.
It's possible they would do so in a operation to discredit the government.
It's also not obvious that government snipers would wear army green.
Only one guy has this white/light colored thing on his back. (this would be interesting to find another example elsewhere)
According to Anupong, the entire area was not army property till the next day.
The government is known to tell the truth when it's a good idea.
Conclusion, the probability is therefore 55 to 45, one way or the other.
There is also a 66+27i chance the guy on the left is Arisman precisely at the point he becomes both real and fake.
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Two more frames of the guy on the left, at times it almost looks like some kind of cross markings on the light colored covering/attachment/thing on his back.
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Army or MIB?
Really difficult to tell - camera is clearly on maximum zoom but the resolution still isn't high enough.
Yes, really hard to tell, in many frames it looks like the guy on the left is wearing something light colored up top, maybe with some markings in the middle. The other guy is just all dark. You can see his gun clearly. With a lot of work and a lot of frames you could probably get a good estimate of the color content of their cloths. Looks more black with maybe very dark blue tint, not an obvious army green. Note that the cement of the track siding is also a blue tint so the color of the whole image is blue shifted from the camera settings.
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Any economic "ism" needs a societal morality, a societally operative code of ethics, commonly agreed and practiced values as a society if it is to succeed. Pardon my pov, but the Judeo-Christian system of morality and ethics suits economic "isms" well, as evidenced by the successes of economic "isms" of several kind and combination of kind throughout the West. This is absent from Buddhism which, as has been pointed out, focuses on the individual rather than on society and social interaction, on the individual rather than on economics and economic relationships, on the individual alone not also on the institutions of society such as government, which deals with the distribution of power in the society etc. Buddhism offers nothing to guide humans in their institutional roles and relationships, post Industrial Revolution society especially.
From Mesopotamia to circa 1750 England and James Watt, humans had few material benfits to their static lives and only spiritual comfort, which is a sentiment that is deeply rooted over milennia so it's difficult for science in the modern world to break through that train of thinking and passivity. We've been emotive and spiritual for so long we continue to be carried by the intertia of accepting the ready spiritual answer. For those who don't like deism and wish to have the punishing god removed from the equation, Buddhism has great appeal. Buddhist economics however is an atomized and anarchic antithesis to economics itself, per se. Hence Thailand. Buddhist Taiwan has done rather well but due to many differences from Buddhist Thailand.
Maybe you can read things and recite things but you have little understanding about Buddhism, or perhaps religion as a whole, and your arguments fall apart easily. Buddhism is not about rejecting materialism or having things, it only makes the link between our desires and feeling of unhappiness.
Such desires can be about anything, not just materialism. A desire for respect, to be liked, white skin, dark skin, be smarter, be dumb but look smarter, taller, not age, or be beautiful. Contrary to your argument, the modern commercialized world where people are bombarded with messages to be smart, stay young, and want things could probably use some Buddhism.
Buddhism is not a replacement for economics, nor is Christianity. Your suggestion that a religion is somehow responsible for economic conditions makes as much sense as a religion preaching that non-followers are inferior.
As for Thailand, their Buddhism is why teaching them to hate one another will ultimately not work, and to me is the ultimate crime. And the ultimate question, is Mr. Thaksin a happy man? I doubt so. And since when did Thaksin become an economist? Corruption leads to economic stability for a country?
Your logic is unsoundly built on misunderstandings about religion. Unless you think that paying 100 times the manufacturing cost for a Gucci bag you were told to want brings true meaning to the human experience.
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UN calls for Thai clashes inquiry
The UN has demanded an independent inquiry into recent unrest in Thailand, when more than 80 people were killed in clashes between security forces and protesters.
Continued here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10199051.stm
The question is, is it possible to have an independent inquiry in Thailand?
Not demanded:
The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights has called for an independent investigation of Thailand's bloody political crisis to bring those responsible for the human rights violations to account.
Subtle difference
The only difference is that monkfish is correct and you aren't.
The BBC story says "demanded", not "called for".
So what's the subtle difference?
Isn't the crackdown an internal affair? I think Farang should not get involved.
Same same as the Thaksin case. Farang should not get involved.
Thaksin is now farang, he is from Montenegro. Same same, Thaksin should not get involved, either.
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Only small minded and probably not that well educated people judge a lawyer by his clients.
There you go with that education level thing again.
Are you suggesting that we should not judge a lawyer as bad just because he is representing Mr. Thaksin?
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:facedesk:
steady rise? 5555 and 555555
Here, a present to cheer kitty. facedesk =
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Hi,
They lost. The trick to bring down the government didn't work, the Thai people are not buying the "government is evil" line nor are the MPs. The tide has turned.
ditto: see the figures above.
what tide has turned? The result was actually expected. The coalition sticks together. 246 pro votes got Abhisit in last years censure debate. I thought that maybe one or two will swing. okay not.
bottom line: Abhisits problem are far from over.
Yes, the vote would be expected under ordinary circumstances, but the times are anything but ordinary. The attempt to topple the government by triggering violence and then blaming the government didn't work. The coalition held, although a month ago it didn't look like it could. Aside from expected partisan alignment, today's vote expressed no lack of confidence in Abhisit's government, in spite of all that has happened. Remarkable.
The real turning of the tide though is in the reaction of the people, many of who have turned away from the red cause. This is understandable considering how Thai feel about violence, but it also means they have seen through the smoke screen, not surprising since it's their country. I think mostly foreigners would have trouble understanding the plot.
This is all a bit amazing if you look back at the situation in mid April with the government in shock and the reds running out of control. This turn arround, inspite of the government and even people like Kaset, is due to one man's effort. A real tour de force. No, all is not well, this is still Thailand and problems are stacked higher and deeper as usual. But, the direction has changed, or the tide has changed, whatever.
It is unfortunate that the red cause has been so damaged, but in the end it was damaged by the one who sought to divide and destroy for his own power. Maybe now the rural cause (forget the color red) can find better footing and participate in some real reconciliation. The Thai's also don't like division.
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Guess it must be correct but cant explain those in PTP loyal to BJT and the break in Peau Pandin. There is apparently a group of up to 25 PTPers waiting to join BJT and the government Peau Pandiners may get booted. Quite confusing.
Maybe that's why the opposition did so poorly in the censure vote. The BJT loyal PTP MPs abstained or voted FOR the government. Maybe similarly for Peau Pandin.
Hello,
Don't make this silly 200 Ms are on the opposition fallacy.
Where did the opposition or the PTP poorly in the censure vote? Care to explain, case for case?
wasn't it more a sign that the coalition isn't that stable unlke as some yellow spinmeisters "independent and neutral" observer try to twist the results?
Hi,
They lost. The trick to bring down the government didn't work, the Thai people are not buying the "government is evil" line nor are the MPs. The tide has turned.
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Abhisit, his party, and elites dont stand a chance against Thaksin in major election.
The only way to 'win' for them is to dissolve PueaThai party once again - I'm sure it's easy to find reason to do that.
And if they cant find, make one up. They did that before and it worked well. ;p
Would your predictions be as accurate as the prediction of a million reds going to Bangkok?
And the 2,000 or so that finally returned?
. Why should Thaksin return to Thailand to clear his name? In my opinion he is guilty of so many abuses, but if the legal system was to be applied fairly and across the board, Thailand's political landscape would be all-but wiped out.
Thai Criminal Court Grants Bail To Jatuporn, Karun
in Thailand News
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Trying to bribe the courts is a bit contemptuous...
The Supreme Court sentenced three key
members of the legal team of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra
to six months in prison each yesterday over the two-million-baht snack
box incident.Lead lawyer Pichit Chuenban, legal assistant Supasri
Srisawat and the coordinator of the legal team Thana Tansiri were found
guilty by a panel of three judges of contempt of court in the precincts
of the court.Each was given a six-month jail term.The trio also face
criminal charges under Article 144 of the Criminal Code.The panel
chaired by Supreme Court vice-president Mongkol Thapthiang suspects
they were trying to give a bribe and has assigned the court secretary
to lodge a police complaint. Source: Bribery and corruption court cases in Thailand
As for the reds brothers, yes, if they can show they are not a public threat and are bound to stay by other factors, the court would not see a reason to deny bail. Jatuporn probably explained he could not leave because of his future arson/incitement engagements, and demonstrated he was not a public threat by promising not to burn down the courts, ... if released on bail.