RamdomChances

"Super-concentrated chicken soup. "

Yep thats right !! my borther-in-law swears by it

Thanks mate, as for reading thai I'm try'ing just cos i know it willl help my spoken thai a lot!!

Ok I have a few questions , most of what you rote i understand .(if I dont refer to it I understand)

1. "samart", hered it spoken "can" chai mai krap?

2. I would of thought "mabye I 'll go to the market tomorrow."

3-6. No prob

7. keu-ap, (could?)

8a 8.I should have gone to the market yesterday.=Chan nah-jah pai dtalaht meua-wahn, I dont agree but understand and know what you mean

8b spot on

9 same

The rest I understand also in both languages , you are right i can not yet read thai, but can convert the transliteration easy enoughf , like i said my spoken is pretty good , but as you have read even my writn english is cr#ap!!

Thanks for the help

Ps as I said i tought there were no direct translations, but was just treying to inprove my spoken laanguage. Thanks

If there is a god,who is all knowing, omnipresant, careing and all round "good guy" super being, do you think it would really care if people eat fish on a friday, bacon, wore little rubber things on their willies, or even cared if "god" existed ??

Met a bloke in the pub once reconed he was god, his name was Ian. He said sorry about the Earth, apparently another god bet him he could'nt make a world in 7 days (reconed the ave was about 3 weeks).

Anyway according to him if he had worked the Sunday he could of got it right, but was so chuffed with finishing in six days, he went out on the p!ss whith the rest fo his mates on Saterday night, and could'nt make it to work on Sunday..

I think he was having me on though, who ever heard of a god called Ian!!!

Stroll I'd say that if you are going to do it, go to a local Wat, as then when you do your rounds for food in the morning, you can be sure that the wife or her familly give you something decent to eat!!!!

Sorry,should of been "would of", "or would have".

i.e Yesterday I would have gone to the market but...

I am dyslexic, and while I read very quickly, I cant really differentiate "letters" so my brain tends to see words as sort of little pictrues, as long as that picture resembles a word in the right context of the sentance, thats how I read it. I does make editing my own posts very difficult as when I've writen something it is vietually impossible for me to tell weather it is spelt corectly. An example is my middle name john which i uasually spell jhon and looks equally right to me!!

While my spoken thai is pretty good as you may imagine I am having great difficulty with the reading writing part. I hope this makes things a bit clearer.

grew up in spain, where your door is open all day and your neighbours and everyone walks in and out as they wish, no matter in what social class you live in. ....

western men, except in southern nations (spain, italy, etc), are used to have "closed doors" to everyone except themselves and their partner.

Not so in thai culture.. 

I do not agree with this one, Rainman.

Thai society is not an open door society with everybody or anybody, no matter what social class you live in,...

I have to dissagree BC, I think it depends where you live here I'm in a very rural enviroment, and it very much "open door", well open house would be better cos nobody really spends much time indoors here.

You may have a point with the social class thing, I dont think the "open door" is as prevalent with high "class thais".

Off topic a bit, what defines "class". I live in a rural area of thailand, its not a poor area, but mainly farming, shugar, corn, dairy, chickens. Most people have their own land, cars and there is generally plenty of work here, but being farmers most people here would be percived as "lower class", When in reallity they often make more money than say bank workers, teachers ect.

Mabye a new topic?

grew up in spain, where your door is open all day and your neighbours and everyone walks in and out as they wish, no matter in what social class you live in. ....

western men, except in southern nations (spain, italy, etc), are used to have "closed doors" to everyone except themselves and their partner.

Not so in thai culture.. 

I do not agree with this one, Rainman.

Thai society is not an open door society with everybody or anybody, no matter what social class you live in,...

I have to dissagree BC, I think it depends where you live here I'm in a very rural enviroment, and it very much "open door", well open house would be better cos nobody really spends much time indoors here.

You may have a point with the social class thing, I dont think the "open door" is as prevalent with high "class thais".

Off topic a bit, what defines "class". I live in a rural area of thailand, its not a poor area, but mainly farming, shugar, corn, dairy, chickens. Most people have their own land, cars and there is generally plenty of work here, but being farmers most people here would be percived as "lower class", When in reallity they often make more money than say bank workers, teachers ect.

Mabye a new topic?

I have been accused by some of my "friends" of posting too much.

Or at least posting with a know all attitude.

And that I was scaring off newbies.

I usually try to post an opinion, not always what I think.

And I do not know much.

And I'm not the only one, we're quite a few frequent posters.

Does it bother you?

I dont think you post to much.

Or post with a know all attitude.

I dont think newbies mind.

hmmmm ???

I think you do.

Yes there are.

No.

Posted in "Bluecat" style, (a poor imatation though)

Ok Rainy season and parasites.

Its not the raining on the cows thats the prob, but the farm does get very muddy, and the increased humidity, makes ideal conditions for bacteria to grow, the rate of mastitis in cows is much higher in the rainy season. The wet conditions also lead to many more probs with things like hoof rot ect

Also rainy season is bug season so you get much more probs from parasitic infections.

Ok types of parasite,

Lung worm

Intestinal worms

Liver / kidney flukes

Blood flukes

Ticks

Fleas

Eye flukes

The worse are the blood, liver, lung. The blood and liver ones are usually caught from bitting insects, ticks mainly which love the wet weather and long grass!! if not treated they can be fatal, in the case of lung worms I still dont know an effective treatment.

Fortunatly there is a lot of preventitive medicens, Iformec F is really good but expensive and you cant sell the milk for 45 days, its effective against virtually all of the parasites and we now inject every cow when we dry off prior to calfing.

For the various blood flukes, a drug called Berinil is really good (prevention and treatment) as is Imizol for liver flucks, although we dont use Imizol as a preventitive as it destroyes any natural imunity that the cow has developed. Both of these drugs have a withdrawal period of only about 4 days, but the major prob is that they can cause the cow to abort if pregnant, if we suspect a cow has a problem we inject post calfing.

There are vaccines avalible for lung worm but I've never seen them on sale here.

One of the probs is that these drugs are relitivly expensive so most farms dont bother, most of the probs we have had are with new cows bought in. Its seams that once we get into the cycle of injections, we dont have so many probs. We also inject our calfes every 4 months.

Was chatting to some people about goats last night, apparently they are quite easy to sell, from what I can gather you get someone like an agent to come to your farm, and they buy them and ship them off, a mature goat goes for about 4000bht aparently, the milk is not usually sold, but I'm told that you can buy it and its expensive and seen as a health drink.

mmm good question, since you started it ,what do you think BC??

I would like to ask some members, anybody, if there is something about the size of postings in their mind, when reading other people comments, or when posting themselves.

mmm the eternal question, "does size matter"

well its not about how big but how you use it

Seriously if i'm interested in a topic i read it all, if you go on and on you run the risk of people getting bored and just skiping what you have to say.

Some posts are light hearted and one liners are fine, some posts ask for info and if you want to post anything meaningful, you have to post long.

You need to use your own judgment, see how the thread is going, but at the end of the day post what you want, if its not offensive then let people read it or not, if they dont like it dont rise to the occasion and post an even longer rebutal, just let it go!!

If you read the thread about long postings you will see that most people where on your side even if they did not agree with you.

Any way good to see you back

ok thanks, I suspected there was no direct translation. So could is a bit like past tence of "can" , any one know about would, or would off??

I have thought about if I really need this and probably I dont, but was just curious.

Thanks anyway

Why do'nt you just post what you feel is right, if people dont want to read it up to them, if they are bored with your postings they wont reply to you.

Dont try to over analyes it.

Wht dont you stop irratating the mods and get back to irratating the rest of us instead

If anyones interested just posted a photo album in the members photos section, lots of picks of the farm and stuff.

I'll take being called a "tree hugger" as a complement

I was talking with the boss from our co-op today he said that the gov did not sudsidise milk, I dont know if this has always been the case, or even if its true. I do know that the gov supports the dariy farmer in a number of ways, we are tax exempt, and they offer loans to buy cows, upgrade farms ect, these are only avalible to the small farmer though, I've never qualified for one!!

The gov is currently bringing in farm standerds, that apparently are going to be enforced, although there is financial aid to small farmers i think this my be the end of them, some of the regs state that you cant have a farm within 50 meters of a road, and you have to milk at least 50 metere away from where people live, most small farms have milking palours next to the house. When the new farm is finnished we should be fully compliant, but I think that we will be the only one in Nakhon that is!! (there is a grace period of 2-3 years).

At the moment milk consumption far outstrips production in thailand, and around 50% of internal production is used to make "fresh" milk.

Hence, it became possible to see in dairies everywhere bags of EU powdered milk being poured into "100 % Fresh milk" supplies. This outsourcing from abroad then lowered the demand for local milk and the price started to fall. There was a time about 6-8 years ago, when local producers around Muak Lek (major centre of the dairy industry) and other towns in Isaan were forced to pour their milk away

As for the quality control in dairies goes, I dont know, I'm a farmer, but our milk is checked for bacteria (stomatic cell count), quality and antibiotic residues every time we send milk (2 a day), the co-op then send milk in a refrigerated tanker to the factory every day, where it is checked again. If I was to send suspect milk that ended up in the main holding tank I would be liable to pay for the entire days collection about 4 ton or 45,000 bht, it pays to be cautious!! if in dout check!!

As for the Issan story, I just dont get it, I know that around that time the price of milk was low, but If you just pour it away you gat nothing, I've never know a thai pour money down the drain!!.

The school milk probs were the creation of greedy corupt officials not farmers!!

1/ nearly every farmer that has tried dairy cows has sold every last drop of milk and given none to the wife and kids; 2/ most small farmers were given bad advice and ended up failing in the operation, with now most dairy farms being in the hands of medium- large farmers; 3/ most milk is processed into unhealthy milk products, esp. those laden with artificial colours, flavours and loads of sugar; 4/ The industry still can't operate by itself without the govt. subsidies and interventions (i.e. it is still heavily protected. This last point is maybe not something that most dairy farmers are aware of, but was brought home recently by the reports that dairy farmers are preparing to protest against including dairy products in the Free Trade Agreement with Australia, as they know well that they could not compete with the cheaper foreign imported milk from Oz.

2/mccweb.agri.cmu.ac.th/research/ Ag-sustain/rural_res_mng/dairy.html

The above link is a study carried out in Northen Thailand, one of the observations was that 82% of dairy farmers thought they had a better standerd of living through dairy farming.

As for most of the farms being medium to large, this simply is not true. There are about 130 farms in my area, mine is in the top 3 for size and I'm only medium, large is classed as over 100 head of milkers, and outside of khorat i've never heard of any!!.

Our co-op collects about 4000kg of milk a day from about 70 farms, mines the biggest, and I contribute about 10 % 400kg that means that the other 69 farms send on ave 3400 kg between them 3400 which averages out at about 50kg a farm, so no way could they be described as even medium (usually they have between 5-25 head)

3/ 50% of internal milk production is usde for making fresh milk

http://sunsite.au.ac.th/thailand/agriculture/Livestock.html

4/ The very fact that the thai gov are signing freee trade agreements negates your whole argument, if it was so protected why would the gov sign the agreement, and they are'nt " preparing to protest" they already have.

Anyway enough of this I'm not here to defend the dairy industry, but the farmers are'nt the industry.

All the goat stuff i think would apply as well to the "thai" beef cattle, as long as you only keep a few.

Too many Mekong and Singh hangovers

Mekong is bad, try Sang Som it's no where near as bad, with soda or water not coke.

For a really memerable hangover try Chang with LaoChow chasers, did this oncc with some thai friends, when i woke up i thought I had someone elses head!!

Where you at plachon, pm me mabey get together for a beer

Hi every one

Bina thanks for the, about goats, I think that they would be good for a small hobby farm, there are quite a few around here, I just dont know what the market for them is, down south they eat a lot of goat meat, but never seen it on sale up here.

You'r right about thai's not liking it cos it smells a lot have said that to me as well, me I love it, goat curry mmm. Do you drink the milk yourself?? do you do anything to it first i.e pasturise, I dont drink ours but have been looking into small scale pasturisation, just for personell use, maybe sell some in the shop if there is a demand (if there is'nt maybe I'll find a way to artifialy create one )

Most of the deaths of our cattle have been parisite related, but the weather does play a part as well, rainy season in BAD.

When I opened the farm I did'nt know anything about farming (i'm an ex aircraft enginere), and my thai was'nt that good, but we started small, the vets here are'nt that good, usually you have to tell them whats wrong with the cow and what treatment to give. Fortunatly I can do most stuff myself now, still cant put a drip in though.

Most of the medicens for parisites, have probs, ie cant send the milk for 45 days, and some cause abortions, but now we have a system of injections, i.e when you dry the cow off (2 months before birth) give one injection, cos you are'nt going to be milking for 2 months, then just after its given birth, do the others.

Most of the medicens are imported, but some times if a cow is really sick and your not sure why, we use a bit of a shot gun approach and inject for everything, but provention is much better, that trying to cure, it takes me about a week to get a blood samlpe done, which is usually to late!!

At the moment we artifiacialy insminate (AI), but I've got 5 bull's in various stages of maturity, so later we will try to use them. We run one bull thats about 15months old with the cows now, but he's not up to it yet (literaly), hes really good though a spotting the one's that are on heat.

To get a loan from a bank you have to prove beyond a dout that you dont need it !!

will try to answer tomarrow, when I'm not drunk, but you're so much cleverer than me!! give me a chance!!

From GS's post Ideal woman, you have to look at the original 12 your self.

If there is a God then he may log onto this site, and he may even like me judging by who I met last night. She's got 7 out of 12 plus some I hadn't thought of.

Where the qualities that you had'nt thought of skint, psycotic, druggy, suicidal, attention seaking bar girl ??

(please no one start on the BG stuff, its relitive to this thread)

Just looked at that villa, plush !! but 20,000!! a night and if its where i think it is you have to drive eveywhere.

You can rent a good appartment on Nani road for 10-15,000 a month.

How about you all joining C.U.N.T

Conglomerated Union of Nationalistic Tw_ts

THEY DONT LIKE US.

We are living in a racist country

Personally, I spend a few months a year here, then go back to reality. The number one reason I choose not to live here is, THEY DONT LIKE US. Wake up!

Hmm a bit at odds with yourself there, anyway a few months is just an extended holiday!!

Just found the link

http://www.stephenleather.com/unpub.html

If you have'nt read it you should, not saying everything is like that but it's a good read.

I read Private Dancer by Stephen Leather last night, fotgot what the link is, anyway you could of cut big chunks out of that and just pasted them together to form your story!!!

Its worth a read.