RamdomChances

Hi I'm comming , bringing the wife down, been off line most of the week (Ipstar!!!), Is it definatly Gulivers ?

me too

Richard, you are obviously a very intelligent man and are thecnacally exelant when it comes to writen thai and its routes ie Sanscrit, Pali ect.

I feel most people are'nt really interested in the origines of words, and are posting for a little help, trying to show how clever you are is fine (and i think you are) but why not try to put things into simple language.

I may also be wrong on this but have you read snowleopard"s posts do you really think that he did not know the answer to the question before he asked it!! or was mabye trying to show a point.

The best teachers are the ones that get their point across simply and clearly.

Hi bina

Most thai people count from 1 ie your first year. on your first birhtday you would come into your 2nd year therfore 2.

Saying this some thais will also say "24 yr old dtem" dtem as in full

Thais outside of tourist areas/cities dont usualy make a big deal out of birhtdays

I've had many birthday parties and been to some, wishing them a Happy birthday(or expecting them to wish you) is usually neither expected or nessesary, but is always appreciated.

"suk saan wan geert" is about the closest you'll get to happy birthday

"Wan geert" literelly day born has an uncanny resemblance when spoken to "######" dont know if that means anything in your particular language but british people will get it!!

Stroll, usually got the bottle between my knees, with a straw, I'm not stupid

The first time I came.

I'd never been to thailand!!

Cant remember what I voted I was drunk at the time !

Whether your an alcholic is something that must be answerd for yourself, but if you have to ask your self the question, somwhere in your own mind you must feel you may have a problem.

I drink a lot, some times I go a week or two without having a drink(although ave 2-3 times a week), but when I drink I drink. I almost never drink beer enless its just to be sociable, so its spirits for me, at the moment Sang Som is the fav tipple, but when I drink its rarelly less than a bottle.

Yes I know its damaging me, yes I've asked myself the allcholic question, and no I dont really care. I smoke, and drive to fast one off those will probably kill me first.

Thanks both, I've never really bothered to learn any set systems for writing thai in english, vertually all the books and dictanaries use diferent ones.

I had some lessons (only 20hrs) back when I in "civilisation" and always remember asking the teacher how you spell things in english, the repliy was however you want!! ( which is good as thats how I spell things in english as well!!)

I only usually write things down in english as an "aide memoire" and spell it as I here it.

My wifes english is pretty good, but getting worse all the time, and I have a friend who comes back from BKK most weekends who's vocabulary is really good but cant put a sentance toether for the life of him.

Apart from that everyone speaks thai (cos its thailand) it does make it difficult to advance your speaking, reading/writing skills when theres know one to really ask. An example we were driving back from Nakorn today and heard someone say on the radio "Kwam sam kan" so I thought oh yea thats how you say "importence", I checked with the wife she says its "importent", so after a while explaining the difference she says yea ok "importence!!!

I would like to come. I've got some stuff to do in BKK, I dont mind where or when, just let my know.

Thanks

prefer not to bum bar boys mehself.. but each to his own

The Guy is new and gay, why pick on him?

I usually read it when a topic has been shunted off ther to make it less obvious.

Or if someone who usually is very active in the rest of the forum decides to make it his home for a few days!!

Just trying to help BC

Mabye you can return the favour

I clear 3 figures and you...

Whats that mean?

Just trying to work this thread out,

If a begger is controled but a gang that takes most of the money from them, then the begger is not deserving of charity.

but if the begger can keep all the money him/her self is deserving??

sorry i know the arguments but it still does not help the people in the street, if I have some change I give it if not I dont, usually I find I dont have any spare food or clothes handy!!

Thanks SL

With ref to Keu-ap if forgot about the "k" "g" thing show's the limitations of writing in english, why is ก (gor gai) translated as K anyone know?

I would of said geu-ap.

I would like to say this is good stuff for me, most of the words we are using i know already and have said before I did'nt think there where direct translatns, but it helps me and maybe others to use words in the right context.

I could also make sugestions(or at least informed questions) my self but I'm a bit put off because I cant wright thai.

Thanks ad well Bon Mee unfortunatly i can understand any of it.

Yea how can you manage to live on 30k must be really hard!!

BC the egg every one knows that!!

PS i forgot plachon

What do you do when you see an endangered plant being eaten by an endangered animal?

Are there stores that sell only farm related products such as medicines for livestock, insect control sprays, etc., or do you have to shop around till you find what you need?

Most co-ops sell limited supplies of medicen/equipment, there are shops selling as well but are someimes not easy to find. Most of the medicen we buy is branded, with date stamps and in sealed bottles, so never had any probs. As for Insect control sprays we dont use any cos I dont really know a lot about them or their safty (have to put it on my list of things to find out).

I learned all this the hard way, which really is the only way, as animals and plants dont read medical books and dont get sick according to theoretical info

I really likes your post and have to agree with all of it really sound advice!!, check this link out its very good. Oh yes Ivormec (I did'nt have the bottle either!!) and we use I think an iodine based teat dip, and pre clean with a waek clorine solution. The new farm will also have a hoof bath, that the cows walk through when leaving the palour.

Smallholder dairying in the tropics (really good)

I've been looking for vet supplies In thailand on the internet for about a week now, a few adresses in BKK but nothing online. If anyone comes up with anything please let me know.

Ok the easy bit over, hi Plachon

While I've said before that I'm not here to defend the dairy industry I still dont agree with most of your points.

You've already identified some of the govt. subsidies to the dairy producers (rice farmers would turn green with envy, I bet if they knew how much they get taxed indirectly on their product). Unmilled paddy fetches about 5 K Bt/ton (average), but polished rice sells to the consumer at about 15 -20 B/kg i.e. 15,000 - 20,000 Bt/ton. Now that is a huge mark-up for some very simple processing and minor distribution (all areas of Thailand grow rice to a greater or lesser extent

I thought I identified measures that the gov was taking to support the industry, How much do rice farmers get taxed, I've been told that It is also Tax exempt, are you confusing taxation with profitering, we sell milk for 11.45 (its just gone up) in the supermarket fresh milk I thing is about 30 odd bht a liter, thate roughlythe same mark up as rice (if you take your low end fig). I also belive they eat rice in schools every day, as well as the armed forces, gov cantinees ect.

Still with the Farm gate price of milk, I've said I dont know but am not aware of any, I've talked to the people who run my co-op, they say they dont get any, If you have any hard evidence to the contarery please let me know. As far as the schools go we dont supply them we sell to Mail.

Mali, where my milk ends up

The other company here not a co-op does supply schools and the farms that sell there are always complaining about late payments ect during the holidays. It was set up and is owned buy two of the biggest farms here, but most of the small farms that supply them want out and as soon as their contract is up, will switch back. There may be a fixed price for suppling schools, I dont know. Oh in the last 2 years milk has steadly gone from 11.15 to 11.45 a kg, its never droped.

Dairy industry in Thailand

Agriculture in NE thailand

THE DEVELOPMENT OF DAIRY FARMING IN THAILAND

See above for loads of stuff about development of dairy farming in thailand.

It's good to know that you'll be compliant and staying ahead of the curve, but don't hold your breath on the regs being enforced for many years to come.

Apparently, its a bit like the ISO std's Mali, has to comply to sell/export dairy produce, therfore its suppliers have to comply as well and so on. Personaly I dont know it will mean a big change in dairy farming here and as I said I think the death of the small scale farmer. We had to do a new farm anyway so may as well make it complient!!.

I went to the link you gave put out by Assumption Uni and found it to be very outdated and "noddy" in the information given

Yea it was a bit simplistic, I wanted to make sure you could understand it

but I see you did'nt so I'll have to explain, as far as I'm aware Thailand produces about 50% of its own milk (seen figs higher and lower). the rest is made up from cheap powdered imports. Now you cant make fresh milk from powdered milk, so of the 50% of milk produced here about 50% of it is used for making fresh milk, that would be 25% of the total. Now of that 25% I dont know how much would be drank in schools but I say it was fairly high say 60%. That then leaves 40% of 25% i.e 10% of the total milk consumption, this is what you see on the supermarket shelvs, shops ect.

As for the anti baterial checks I dont do them. The milk is checked by the co-op twice day, a small sample is taken from my milk and placed in a numbered bottle (which equates to my farm) if it is found to be "bad milk" I'm liable for the whole days collection, because the milk is also checked at the factory. So Yes every farm must comply, even when we havw withheld the milk for the required number of days we still get it checked before sending and so does every other farm I know.

I see this industry from a slightly different angle to you Random i.e. as a neutral observer, who likes drinking fresh milk in my Lao coffee & still believes it can be viable in certain areas of the country, but think the time has come to remove the subsidies and start creating a genuinely healthy product. This doesn't mean the country should be opened up to untammelled "Free Trade" with every country, as Thaksin would like to see, as this will cause literally millions of farmers to go to the wall and you could be joining those Isaan farmers on to the streets of BKK. (Only kidding!  ). What it means, very briefly and superficially, is giving selective support to farmers who are practicing ecologically-friendly farming methods and moving away from the chemical-dependent, energy-wasting, polluting and environemtnally degrading methods being supported now

To be quite honest I dont know that much about the "industry" its only stuff I've picked up talking to people or trying to find out more about farming while surfing the net. I do get the impression that you are talking about the "industry" and I'm talking about the farmer.

The future of dairy farming here for small scale farmers is I feel on shaky ground, and whether you belive it or not thats about 80% of farms (not cattle or output) and these are the ones that probably fill your ideal, ie usually about 10-15 head, most mix their own food, use crop residues for fodder and put the dung back onto the land. Its also these farmers that get any financial support (as I've said I've never qualified for any).

If anything the free trade agreements will push the price of milk down, but most companies use cheap imported milk powder already, and you cant use powder for everything. Combine this possible drop in price with thghter regs, on farming and many small farms will ceace to be economicaly viable. That will drop the price of milking cows, which will probably be bought up cheaply by medium/large farms, who with larger herds and the ability to buy cheap animals will be able to absorb the price drop, with savings made for increaced scale.

Anyway it would be nice to broaden this out from "the dairy industriy in thailand" and get some more general stuff in.

A friend of mine has a chicken farm built over a fish farm, so when the chickens shit it just drops down and the fish eat it. Good idea of not ??

Yea thanks I'll look out for it.

There is a place up here that does Fish Ice Cream, I've never tried it but my wife says is lovely, but then again she loves boiled frogs as well!!

Theres an Italian resteraunt up on Nanai past the Andaman, cant remember the name of the place, but its Italian owned and run and most of the expat Italians hang out there, great Pizza.

"Super-concentrated chicken soup. "

Yep thats right !! my borther-in-law swears by it

Thanks mate, as for reading thai I'm try'ing just cos i know it willl help my spoken thai a lot!!

Ok I have a few questions , most of what you rote i understand .(if I dont refer to it I understand)

1. "samart", hered it spoken "can" chai mai krap?

2. I would of thought "mabye I 'll go to the market tomorrow."

3-6. No prob

7. keu-ap, (could?)

8a 8.I should have gone to the market yesterday.=Chan nah-jah pai dtalaht meua-wahn, I dont agree but understand and know what you mean

8b spot on

9 same

The rest I understand also in both languages , you are right i can not yet read thai, but can convert the transliteration easy enoughf , like i said my spoken is pretty good , but as you have read even my writn english is cr#ap!!

Thanks for the help

Ps as I said i tought there were no direct translations, but was just treying to inprove my spoken laanguage. Thanks

If there is a god,who is all knowing, omnipresant, careing and all round "good guy" super being, do you think it would really care if people eat fish on a friday, bacon, wore little rubber things on their willies, or even cared if "god" existed ??

Met a bloke in the pub once reconed he was god, his name was Ian. He said sorry about the Earth, apparently another god bet him he could'nt make a world in 7 days (reconed the ave was about 3 weeks).

Anyway according to him if he had worked the Sunday he could of got it right, but was so chuffed with finishing in six days, he went out on the p!ss whith the rest fo his mates on Saterday night, and could'nt make it to work on Sunday..

I think he was having me on though, who ever heard of a god called Ian!!!

Stroll I'd say that if you are going to do it, go to a local Wat, as then when you do your rounds for food in the morning, you can be sure that the wife or her familly give you something decent to eat!!!!

Sorry,should of been "would of", "or would have".

i.e Yesterday I would have gone to the market but...

I am dyslexic, and while I read very quickly, I cant really differentiate "letters" so my brain tends to see words as sort of little pictrues, as long as that picture resembles a word in the right context of the sentance, thats how I read it. I does make editing my own posts very difficult as when I've writen something it is vietually impossible for me to tell weather it is spelt corectly. An example is my middle name john which i uasually spell jhon and looks equally right to me!!

While my spoken thai is pretty good as you may imagine I am having great difficulty with the reading writing part. I hope this makes things a bit clearer.