RamdomChances

Sydney won ahead of Rome, Florence, Bangkok and Cape Town

How can it be the best there where only 5 cities

In actually went and had a look at the ajan forum yesterday, did'nt think much of it seamed very childish (cant spell juvinile).

Anyway I just left, I did'nt go posting about how everyone was "So Childish" cos thats their forum and its up to them.

Same here if people dont like it dont read it and go somewhere else.

Nobodys going to agree with everything, there are about 11,000 members now I belive, unfortunatly when a newbie post something, they may get lots of helpful replies but it only takes one person to say something like how stupid, childish, trollish the post is then it all goes off topic and the newbie is left with the feeling that it's a bit of an "old boys club"

Its usually sold in brown half liter pull top bottles, but lot of people buy half a bottle in empty M150/lippo bottles, you gottta try it at least once!!

A bit like a mix of cheap vadka and turpintine.

Theres an other one they sell here Shean Chun (or anyother way you want to spell it) its black and sold in a black bottle with a red lable and tastes exactly like chough medicen. I dont know if you get it in Issan though.

Lao Chow, lao cow, lao chao, call it whatever you want, rice wiskey, dont tell me they havent got any in Burriram ??

"The stuff" from 7-11 may have been Lao Chow, for a really effective hangover try drinknig Chang with Lao Chow chasers, trust me its something you'll only do the once

Trolls why do you do it are you just bored, or seeking attention?

Why do people respond to them.

I know they can be really annoying but you are not going to win any arguments because they are just not reseptive to any other views. Responding only encorages them and gives them a greater oppetunity to reply.

Chokrai has a point if you dont speak the language its hard to form a friendship.

Most of the men up here work and just have'nt got the time to sit around drinking all day, holidays are different and people usually congragate around different houses and eat and drink all day (a few days for son gran and Chines new year).

Other than that it may be a few beers/loa cow after work, mabye share a bottle of sand som if they are'nt working the next day.

Of my two good friends one works in MTEC BKK and usually comes home on the weekends, then usually the other friend comes over as well, and we usually share a bottle of sang som or two, oh the other friend has his own lorry and does'nt drink if he's driving the next day (well maybe a beer or two).

Just one more point if you dont speak the language then sitting around drinking with Thais is a pretty fun way to learn

Well guys as someone who has at least 10 friends who are alkies i dont consider having a beer 'drinking' Having a beer for breakfast and finishing off with the creme de menthe at 3 in the morning is 'drinking' Getting out of de-tox on sunday and starting on the Jack on the way home is 'drinking' Hiding a huge bottle of cheap wine in the parking garage and waking up in the storage locker two days later is 'drinking' Sitting around with a bunch of Thai guys drinking shit booze till the local policeman shoots someone[which happened here last week]is 'drinking' have i made myself clear?

Understood, in that case I dont "drink" either

Oh I agree with the money bit as well, Keeping asking for money/not paying your own way is a good way to become ex-friends.

Tony0703 Posted on Tue 2004-07-13, 09:56:56 

Columbus originally found Scotland and he was from elsewhere too

Crhistopher Columbus I assume that the one your talking about, born Genoa Italy 1451!!

Are you trying to say that he discovered Scotland?? Robert the Bruce, William Wallace never existed then, or any Scotish Kings prior to Columbus discovery, mabye the romans did'nt build Hadriens wall.

Ireland is not part of Britian.

Northen Ireland, Wales, Scottland and England are. The Scottish Monarchy merged with the English Monarchy in 1603 when James VI of Scotland became James I of England.

I'm Welsh and dont mind being refered to as British, you would never here an Englishman refer to himself as British always English.

Mabye we should just say we'r Europeans

Here you go mate, apparently its true, we forgot to mention the artificial vagina though

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pat...collection.html

chokrai Posted on Tue 2004-07-13, 08:57:27

I dont have any male Thai friends as i dont speak the language well and i dont drink.

Dont drink??

chokrai Posted on: Wed 2004-07-07, 09:15:10

I have never tried Tiger beer,where is it from? It has got to be better then all the crap Thai beer and that includes the Heinenken and Carlsburg. I wish you could get Beer Lao here i tried some at the Lao border last year and it was pretty good.

Well informed for a non drinker

An interesting concept! Different but interesting! Some posts here seem a little far-fetched!

Which ones Tony, if you have any info feel free to post

I've got 2 that I would call good friends and loads of acquaintances/drinking buddys, but then again my nearest falang neibour is about 50 km away and I sometimes go for months without seeing another falang.

I dont think that my close friends are that much different from my falang close friends, but it is nice to talk to someone in your own language with a shared cultural background sometimes.

Yea go for it Scampy, pick somewhere that does cheap Sang Som

"RandomChances - Regarding me praising my own thread - that was a first and it was an 'in joke' aimed at yourself and those at the get together who I had told!"

Yea I know mate it was funny as well

Scampy who you going to talk to now half of you is banned

I totally agree with you Scamp.

It's nice to know that there are some intelligent members of this forum who know what the score is.

I salute you

I advise against catfish, unless you have access to large amounts of cheap animal protein, as they're carnivores and won't nibble on leaves and crap, like the local carps (pla tapien, pla nai, pla yeesok, etc). which are easy to grow, so long as the water is green and fertile (from animal crap).

Plachon - I don't really know much about fish but I did read the below articale about fish and cattle production:

I think Plachon maybye getting at the fact that if you keep "vegiterian" fish they will largly eat what vegtable matter that is avalible in the pond.

"The collection (of sperm) from what I have read involved inserting a probe up the bulls rectum...touching his prostate...zapping it and the bull ejaculates.

This is Thailand you'd probably have to do it by hand

even though I voted britain , I still count myself as English

even though I voted britain , I still count myself as Welsh

I advise against catfish

Plachon advises against keeping Plachon (catfish)

I did'nt see yor post cos I was writing mine, we nearly agree with each other

Thanks for your input Random you seem to know alot about the stuff that goes on in these parts.

Thank you, but you have to remember that I'm not in Issan, I live on the central plain (Nakhon Sawan) things may be different where you live, I thought that maybe the the calf was just meat, we sell on the hoof, so that would explain it. Yea i've heard that thai people think that meat from dairy cows is not as tasty, personally i think its just to keep the price down There are shows but I dont know much about them.

I'm pretty sure that the animals that fech high prices are for breeding, I dont know if you can sell the sperm (how do you collect it, its a picture I cant get out of my head ) I know that sperm has to be kept frozen.

If you go to buy cows you will be over charged, not just because your a falang, but because you probably dont know that much about cattle, when we first started I was probably paying 20% more for cows than I do now. Even if a thai that does not really know a lot goes to buy cattle the seller will try it on. Also you have to get past the Thai code !! if you talk to a thai they will always have bought something really cheep and sold expensive, they do have a bit of a tendancy to exagirate!!

If anyone is thinking of doing any farming as a buissiness, a few things, start small, find your market, dont use money you cant afford to loose, make sure you have enough money to support yourself for a few years and keep some back for disasters. If you want a hobby great keep it at that its much less stressfull. We are fully commercial, we support ourselfs fully from the farm, but you cant open a farm and expext to make a good living overnight.

A friend of mines got a fish farm, and he recons it makes quite good money, he has a few ponds, 1 over a chicken farm, the shit drops down and the fish eat it , it also promotes organic growth. When he comes to sell the fish he pumps all the water out of one pool into the next and simply picks up the fish. There are markets for fish and most medium farms sell to and agent you'd have to ask around in your area. Another Idea is to build a resteraunt alongside or over the pond and sell you fish there, i've seen resteraunts that sell bags of fish food as well so you get people coming and eating your fish and then paying to feed them as well!!

Ideally fish farms should be integrated with some other sort of farm that can produce food/waste for the fish. We would like to open one and get the waste from the cows going into it, we sell dried manure to some fish farms. You should be able to excavate the pond for not much money if you can find somewhere to sell the earth. I think that to do prawns you have to airate the water.

Here's a few fish farm links

http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/004/Y2876E/y2876e00.htm#Contents

http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/005/Y3610E/y3610E00.htm#cont

http://www.tve.org/ho/doc.cfm?aid=352〈=English

@ random: on the photos I have seen that you milk with buckets there. I assume, however, that you milk in the new stable with Siphoning-Machine or in a milking stand / parlor in the future? Which equipment is installed there and who makes the installation and maintenance of the machine?

Willi sorry not replied earlier,

Yea we use buckets, with a central vacume pump, you just plug the bucket into a overhead line. The new milking parlour will still be buckets but I'l be fitting a more powerful pump in to enable me to use up to 10 buckets, at the moment I can only use 4 and I only have 10 stalls, the new farm will have 20. There are large automated milking machines here, but very few and I've never seen one. I suppose that Chok Chai or some of the big Korat farms would have them. To be honest the cost of labour here is so low that it does not really justify spending the money on an automated machine.

I've seen machines like the one in the picture for sale but never seen them in use. The most popular make is SAC, which has a very good reputation here.

http://www.sac.dk/engelsk/index_eng.html

They also use Thecnic (i think) which is a lot cheaper but not as reliable (aparently)

We use SAC and I do all the mantanance myself ( not a lot really). Oh and DeLavel

There is a market for milking machines but you would have to do your reasherch carfully, spares, farm equipment is a good one, we have to drive about 120 km to but spares for our stuff, I'm currently looking at opening somewhere here selling farm equipment (but I've got more ideas than time or money to implament them!!)

As for Rubber trees have'nt a clue sorry it's big down south though.

I'll put my bit in, I've never heared 100,000 for a beef cow, or bull. We sell grass to a lot of beef farms, and I keep and sell some of my bull calfs as well, the friesian crosses(milkers) dont get as much as the Thai cattle (usually brhaman or brahman crosses). A fully grown cow is usually sold but weight (estimated) and for a decent cow you should get 20-30,000 bht a 1 year old would be about 10-15,000.

I've sold old milkers for 20,000, 7500 for a 40Kg calf seems a bit high as well, we'd sell 8 month old calfs about 100 kg for 6-7000 bht.

AI at 1000 bht a shot!!!, we pay 50 bht, for fresion sperm, the most we've ever paid is 200 for imported pedigree friesion.

Ok just been talking to the wife, ignore the first bit, she says that yes if the cow are really good you could get 100,000, a cousin of ours just sold one for 250,000 !!! but you have to be lucky. I think there is a differance between selling for beef as I was originaly talking about and selling for breeding.

I think that the beef cattle can be used for breeding at about 18 months old, and it is quite a good buissiness if you know what you are doing, but it is easy to be taken for a ride if you dont. Also there is a big wait for return on your money I think they usually sell calfs between 12-18 months old.

I think you average thai girl from a good family (I dont mean high class) is in some ways a lot more imature, more sort of girly, liking cuddly toys that sort of thing, but in some ways a lot more mature than western girls, but in respect to looking after themselfs, the house cooking and looking after money (possably) they seem more mature.

Still C , just about

I cant remember the last time I wore socks !! so I cant vote

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