truethailand

You can only decide the relevance of something if you have all the facts at hand..and I dont think you have all the facts at hand. Not pulling anyones leg. Who started the shootout. It is obvious that the commission set up to investigate the events of last spring is about usefu;l as an ashtray on a motorbike. Nothing will implicate the guilty from therir findings. Abhisit in an open court, with Generals as character witnesses, shown live on government channels 3 5 7 9 11 would make great entertainment for the masses. Theres no chance they will be able to vet the questions first.

At last from truethailand (along with DP25 #100) we finally have the reason for this revelation..........the other debates on nationality are way off the mark

Sorry it took me so long to get my point across, was making a poor attempt to swat some Abhisit apologists on the way.

The sequence of events is not relevant... u talking tosh man... If arms were used in self defence, I mean the reds using arms in self defence.. Read this article

Whos got the track record going back decades

When you're talking "who fired the first shot" (which no one knows), the exact sequence becomes irrelevant.

Why did the "peaceful protesters" have guns and grenades? They didn't go and get them after the army started firing. They planned to fight the army. When the red shirts started shooting their guns and grenades, the army pulled out. On April 10, 25 people were killed. 8 of them were armed forces. That doesn't look like an army going in and shooting everyone does it?

And certainly not "crimes against humanity" !!!!

You can read Robert Amsterdam's trash all you like. I'm not going to bother. He twists what little facts he uses into such BS, it's just not worth the effort.

I read all the trash, on both sides then make my judgement, unlike your goodself. You are starting to sound like one of those insular Thai politicians...."if I say it enough it must be the truth" Can I ask are you Thai

The sequence of events is not relevant... u talking tosh man... If arms were used in self defence, I mean the reds using arms in self defence.. Read this article

Whos got the track record going back decades

The sequence of events is not relevant in a shoot out?

The Red shirts carried heavy weapons for self defence?

You are pulling our legs, aren´t you?

You can only decide the relevance of something if you have all the facts at hand..and I dont think you have all the facts at hand. Not pulling anyones leg. Who started the shootout. It is obvious that the commission set up to investigate the events of last spring is about usefu;l as an ashtray on a motorbike. Nothing will implicate the guilty from therir findings. Abhisit in an open court, with Generals as character witnesses, shown live on government channels 3 5 7 9 11 would make great entertainment for the masses. Theres no chance they will be able to vet the questions first.

Its not for us to decide the legality of the submission, greater honest men than us will do that. I quoted 4 sections, which according to the uncorroborated statements of Amsterdams witnesses, the case may procede. When the submission is made to the ICC the witnesses names will be known and not before, so dont mock the identity of because they are hidden by numbers, there is dark forces operating in Thailand and a few witnesses may take an unscheduled long term holiday in some bridge footings.

Yes there was violence, but we need to know the sequence of events that brought about this violence. If state media is your main source of information you will not get a full picture for obvious reasons. The leaders are in jail awaiting trial.... cant have a trial without being charged first. 9 months in jail and no charges and all legal due to some purposterous Internal security law. Please tell me why The ICC will not look at this case

The sequence of events isn't really relevant when you think about it. The was a video of when the shooting started on the night of April 10, and no one knew where it started. But the fact is, on that night, the red shirts had guns and grenades. The ICC will see that, and then look no further.

And it's been pointed out to you before. (Selective memory?) The leaders HAVE been charged. http://www.nationmul...o-30131623.html (plenty of other links out there if you bother to look).

But the fact is, on that night, the red shirts had guns and grenades... were you on the front line. Prior to the crackdown in April there must have been meetings between senior politicians and Army brass. Its what was discussed and agreed at those meetings that should be brought into an open court. Who gave the orders. In an open international court that may be revealed. Was an amout of dead protestors acceptable. We can argue all day about who fired first, we cant blame protestors and foot soldiers. We need to blame leaders, on both sides, if they have advocated or ordered violence. At the moment only one sides leaders are incarcerated.

Its not for us to decide the legality of the submission, greater honest men than us will do that. I quoted 4 sections, which according to the uncorroborated statements of Amsterdams witnesses, the case may procede. When the submission is made to the ICC the witnesses names will be known and not before, so dont mock the identity of because they are hidden by numbers, there is dark forces operating in Thailand and a few witnesses may take an unscheduled long term holiday in some bridge footings.

Yes there was violence, but we need to know the sequence of events that brought about this violence. If state media is your main source of information you will not get a full picture for obvious reasons. The leaders are in jail awaiting trial.... cant have a trial without being charged first. 9 months in jail and no charges and all legal due to some purposterous Internal security law. Please tell me why The ICC will not look at this case

The sequence of events isn't really relevant when you think about it. The was a video of when the shooting started on the night of April 10, and no one knew where it started. But the fact is, on that night, the red shirts had guns and grenades. The ICC will see that, and then look no further.

And it's been pointed out to you before. (Selective memory?) The leaders HAVE been charged. http://www.nationmul...o-30131623.html (plenty of other links out there if you bother to look).

The sequence of events is not relevant... u talking tosh man... If arms were used in self defence, I mean the reds using arms in self defence.. Read this article

Whos got the track record going back decades

You're part of the ICC????

Logical really... but if you think the ICC will procede like the Thai courts do you are going to get a rude awakening. You are not actually objecting to the content of what I wrote just a poor attempt at a put down. Try harder next time

A couple of phone calls from the Hague and the answer about citizenship will be known.

It's logical that you're part of the ICC???

Anyway, the citizenship is irrelevant. The ICC won't look at the case anyway. Which part of the "crimes against humanity" description that you posted earlier has Abhisit committed?

There were violent protests. The leaders of those protests are in jail awaiting trial. Next.

Its not for us to decide the legality of the submission, greater honest men than us will do that. I quoted 4 sections, which according to the uncorroborated statements of Amsterdams witnesses, the case may procede. When the submission is made to the ICC the witnesses names will be known and not before, so dont mock the identity of because they are hidden by numbers, there is dark forces operating in Thailand and a few witnesses may take an unscheduled long term holiday in some bridge footings.

Yes there was violence, but we need to know the sequence of events that brought about this violence. If state media is your main source of information you will not get a full picture for obvious reasons. The leaders are in jail awaiting trial.... cant have a trial without being charged first. 9 months in jail and no charges and all legal due to some purposterous Internal security law. Please tell me why The ICC will not look at this case

Its just occurred to me about this Amsterdam chappie. Would he seriously present evidence to the ICC without concrete proof about Abhisits nationality or citizenship. He would look foolish if he did. I dont think he wants to appear foolish in the worlds eyes. Could be a time bomb ticking here

Yes, he would. He looks foolish anyway.

Inspired reposte...

"He urged the interim government to ratify the International Criminal Court (ICC) immediately with a retroactive clause so that the ICC can be allowed to look into the case."

This interim government would be the one created after the coup. Why do you think it was not ratified. Yes because if it had been ratified in 2006 there would be many people up on charges with Abhisit and we would not be having this debate on citizenship

Have any of the countries where Thaksin now is a citizen ratified their membership of ICC? If so, let's give Mr. Amsterdam a call :jap:

Yes, Montenegro was a signatory to the ICC Rome Statute. Perhaps Amsterdam should be careful about where he goes with this and what precedents he sets, as his client could well be brought up on charges. As far back as 2006, there have been calls to prosecute Thaksin for crimes against humanity, with reference to the estimated 2,275 (according to Human Rights Watch) extrajudicial executions that occurred during his watch. There is also the issue of the 84 muslim peaceful protesters who were murdered by stacking them into the back of army trucks and allowed to suffocate.

But then, here is a judge at ICC who says that ICC has no jurisdiction over Thailand anyway:

http://www.nationmul...es_30019735.php

This is all probably just more of Amsterdam's sensationalist grandstanding.

Just read the link and cant find any reference to a quote from an ICC judge, can you highlight it for me. Thanks

Its just occurred to me about this Amsterdam chappie. Would he seriously present evidence to the ICC without concrete proof about Abhisits nationality or citizenship. He would look foolish if he did. I dont think he wants to appear foolish in the worlds eyes. Could be a time bomb ticking here

Nothing really new, he is not Thai anyway but Chinese and just of the few elite Chinese that been running Thailand and hold most of the wealth and have a trickle down effect to the native Thais.

This is how the BNP talk in the UK. Are you a member? The Chinese do not run Thailand. Have you ever met any of these Chinese that you think run Thailand or are you just making all this up? Typical of the nonsensical comments on here.

Nationality is not relevant but if you so sure tell me a politician in Thailand that has not come from parents with Chinese decent. Have you seen the current cabinet it looks like a road map of Beijing

ICC will be duty bound to look at the charges. First is he recognised as a British Citizen, if no it goes no further. If yes then we look at the evidence, if there is sufficient we will send him to trial.

Who's " we "?

ICC

You're part of the ICC????

Logical really... but if you think the ICC will procede like the Thai courts do you are going to get a rude awakening. You are not actually objecting to the content of what I wrote just a poor attempt at a put down. Try harder next time

A couple of phone calls from the Hague and the answer about citizenship will be known.

ICC will be duty bound to look at the charges. First is he recognised as a British Citizen, if no it goes no further. If yes then we look at the evidence, if there is sufficient we will send him to trial.

Who's " we "?

ICC

If Mr Amsterdam has witnesses and not just numbers the ICC is the only place they may be safe to give evidence

ICC will be duty bound to look at the charges. First is he recognised as a British Citizen, if no it goes no further. If yes then we look at the evidence, if there is sufficient we will send him to trial.

Who's " we "?

ICC

ICC will be duty bound to look at the charges. First is he recognised as a British Citizen, if no it goes no further. If yes then we look at the evidence, if there is sufficient we will send him to trial. At least it might open up this can of worms because in Thailand there is no intention of revealing the truth about last year. Picture this scenario... charges are brought, Abhisit says up yours I am staying put... INTERPOL issue an arrest warrant..

I have a boil on my 4rse.... it must be thaksins fault...

If you insist.

Dont you know...you're the boil

Wonder who Hun Sen's lawyer is.

Have to be someone with recent experience with taking a case to the world court.

Na couldnt be could it, that would to obvious and just be another link in the chain, or should that be puppet string.

I have a boil on my 4rse.... it must be thaksins fault...

What is this supposed to mean

"He adds all will be clearer about the Thai – Cambodian border dispute after the ASEAN meeting next week."

After all these years he is still not clear about what is going on.

I think he means that he will make it clear .......

Perhaps he will expose an ex-prime minister as the main mover in this dispute.

I have a boil on my 4rse...its thaksins fault

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There's a lot of contention for the Sriracha John Memorial Prize where the honour goes to the person who introduces the subject of Thaksin into an entirely unrelated subject.I agree you have identified a promising candidate.

Random won it in the F16 thread.

It seems that whenever Thaksin doesn't get mentioned quick enough, he is brought up by a pro-red poster.

If you mean the comment about the two planes crashing would be blamed on Thaksin, that was a piss take... on guess who

There's a lot of contention for the Sriracha John Memorial Prize where the honour goes to the person who introduces the subject of Thaksin into an entirely unrelated subject.I agree you have identified a promising candidate.

Random won it in the F16 thread.

It seems that whenever Thaksin doesn't get mentioned quick enough, he is brought up by a pro-red poster.

The grass roots red shirts have some very valid issues. This gets ruined 200% by the red shirt leaders, the PTP, and Thaksin.

Another one with unnatural obsessive behaviour.. People on here are now on your case

Ahh, the Thaksin Fan Club Triumvirate convenes. Always a special day.

Deny, lie, deny, lie, cast blame elsewhere, falsely accuse others, deny and lie some more. That has always been Thaksin's modus operandi

Unnatural obession...maybe you a closet red or you bed wet late into your teens..somethings just not right

No doubt someone will blame the cambodians or thaksin for this

like it

Thai's ripping off Thai's - what happened to Tai Rak Tai - the foundation behind - oh there you go, silly me - I forgot - Thaksin lead by example...

That was good how your turned a money racketeering gang story into Thaksin....well better than some of your other feeble attempts. Why try turn every thread into anti Thaksin... bit old and tired now