On 2/5/2022 at 4:56 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Here is what I was responding to in your post:

 

"Countries or areas with strictly enforced mandated masks had the same infection rates as places without.
What a scientist mocks up in a lab does not work in the real world in this case."

 

My response is to the fact that you claim what is mocked up in a lab is not the same as in a real world study. The real world studies I posted directly refute your claim. Would you like to respond to them or yet again ignore them?

 

Or as I suspect go back again to a UK MP which I have no interest in and which has nothing to do with the evidence I've presented and you have not acknowledged? If so I have finished my discussion with you.

 

Here's one:

 

Largest study on masks and Covid-19 demonstrates their effectiveness in the real world

https://egc.yale.edu/largest-study-masks-and-covid-19-demonstrates-their-effectiveness-real-world

 

Here's another:

 

“These data from real-world settings reinforce the importance of consistently wearing face masks or respirators to reduce the risk of acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection among the general public in indoor community settings,” the CDC said in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/04/covid-mask-effective-n95/

 

 

 

I suspect go back again to a UK MP

What are you talking about? 

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't care about a UK minister I care about those real life studies I posted. This was my whole point and why I addressed your comment on lab studies not the UK MP.

The minister is the spokesperson for the whole country, you may not care, but if a country can't provide the proof, especially as they are trying to do so to control the population you should pay attention to that fact.
I am not 100 percent sure, but this was based on real life studies, not in the lab.

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You keep talking about lab studies and they don't transfer to real world settings, however, I posted for you a "real world" study, the largest ever undertaken. 

 

Here's another:

 

“These data from real-world settings reinforce the importance of consistently wearing face masks or respirators to reduce the risk of acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection among the general public in indoor community settings,” the CDC said in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/04/covid-mask-effective-n95/

 

 

And i point you to the fact a Uk minister who promised to to provide the facts that they work work, has been unable to do so. If he could as promised he would have done.

On 2/4/2022 at 8:22 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Not talking about the UK I was referring to your separate statement which was....................

 

Largest study on masks and Covid-19 demonstrates their effectiveness in the real world

https://egc.yale.edu/largest-study-masks-and-covid-19-demonstrates-their-effectiveness-real-world

 The problem seems to me as what scientists can show in a lab are not relevant in the real word.

22 hours ago, chang1 said:

He did say there was evidence and the results from studies in schools was about to be published. What he couldn't say was how effective masks in schools would be. This is understandable as it is very hard to give precise figures. 

This is very different to him not supplying any evidence. 

Was there a follow-up interview where he discussed the evidence as he said he would?

What he said was just that, spoken words no proof as requested. 
The report did not prove anything. Which i suggest why the mask mandate in England has ended.

Just now, chrissables said:

Take a look, start a one minute and you will listen to the government minister unable to supply evidence,

 

 

The proof he said was being published the next day, proved nothing at all.

24 minutes ago, chang1 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/b25d1ac3-b35e-453c-918e-731e2f214131

 

This from the FT gives some information on this. Here they say masks reduce infections by 6 to 15%.

What were they being asked to show proof of? Very hard to compare different countries as there are too many variables. 

Common sense would suggest putting a barrier between an infected persons mouth and other people is bound to reduce infections. How much difference is up for debate. Do you have links to evidence that masks make no difference? 

Take a look, start a one minute and you will listen to the government minister unable to supply evidence,

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's a real world study for you..............

 

Largest study on masks and Covid-19 demonstrates their effectiveness in the real world

https://egc.yale.edu/largest-study-masks-and-covid-19-demonstrates-their-effectiveness-real-world

https://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/67-2021/testimony/HPOLSUB-1323-20210204-5275-F-SEELY_BRADLEY.pdf

And as i mentioned already the UK government have been asked live on TalkRadio (youtube) and were unable to supply the proof.

Just now, chang1 said:

Have you ever looked for any proof? 

From https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

 

The British government have been asked asked many times to show actual proof, cabinet ministers have disclosed that there is no proof.
Countries or areas with strictly enforced mandated masks had the same infection rates as places without.
What a scientist mocks up in a lab does not work in the real world in this case.

13 hours ago, Dcheech said:

This news release soft sells what Anutin was actually saying. Anutin complained that foreigners tend not to wear masks to protect themselves and others from possible covid infections. He stated that maybe it is cultural but they will discuss it with the CCSA and what is to be done about it. That comes as Thursdays new infections topped 9,000.

SO you are free not to wear masks, but Anutin and Thailand, know who is actually spreading the virus. Go ahead, give them a visual, make his day.

 

Beside there is zero proof they work.

On 1/23/2022 at 8:59 PM, aussiexpat said:

I've been away for over 2 years and have about 10 letters in Thai with valuation numbers and fees so I assume this is what it's  about.

 

Can't understand any of it. Is there an agent in Pattaya who can sort it out? 

 

Never had this bill for 10 years prior to my covid isolation?

 

Just go to the town hall north Pattaya they sort it out.

10 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

they went back all those years for the same thai company?

Yes, but as i had the house for 16 years i did not moan too much.

On 1/21/2022 at 9:30 PM, Jen65 said:

does this apply to a company owned house - or do the taxes paid by the company cover this ? 

I recently had a visit from Pattaya City Hall and was given a bill for nearly 50K. They back dated it, but not for the full time i have been here.

7,500 a year tax.

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Thought they'd upped it to 500bht?

 

500 was brought in years ago, so now it is 800 it seems.

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Ah the old why don't they do something about this because the thing i like is under threat.

 

There is a difference between essential travel (that they are curbing because of work from home) and recreation.

 

But at least int he sky train the masks stay on unlike in bars and people dont voluntarily get closer or swap saliva (you know the thing girls and guys do when they get all hot and bothered after some alcohol) regularly.

 

Seriously if you can't see the difference, you are probably a bit bias and dependent on bars for entertainment. 

 

I get it sucks, but to compare essential services with non essential is not the way to go. 

 

Anyway they do same in the west, close bars and discos first as they are prime places for virus spread. But are more hesitant to stop public transport as that means people can't get to their work. I know for some its a valid comparison as it makes their hobby look less bad. 

 

I am certainly not against bars to each his or her own but to deny its a problem is a bit crazy. But did you not get the memo where they advice people to work from home and the government is doing the same (that was a topic that was shot down as saying people in the goverment are lazy but then we got people like you saying they should not be in the sky train so whatever people decide its never good according to the Thaivisa experts).

 

I like almost everyone wish that this nightmare was over, i love to travel without problems go to croweded places like before. But that is just not a good idea. You see that hospitals are having problems in the west. Its not that far in Thailand yet but during the previous wave people died in streets and home and were searching for places in hospitals (maybe you forgot that too). 

 

I cant imagine that people want those times to return. 

 

Very rarely go to bars, sorry to disappoint your wrong vision of me.

You are arguing that essential travel is ok to spread covid, but relaxing in a bar is not. How strange.

There is little to zero proof that masks work at all anyway.

5 minutes ago, snowgard said:

With mask, yes!!! Did the people in the bars/restaurant wear masks? NO!!!

Results: 

1. Active case finding at restaurants that sell alcohol in Pattaya and Banglamung, 23 cases
2. Active case finding at restaurants that sell alcohol in Bang Saen and Wonnapa Beach in Mueang Chonburi, 20 cases
3. Active case finding in students at Burapha University in Mueang Chonburi (staffers and customers at restaurants that sell alcohol), 45 cases
   
   ..................

But there is no proof of masks working. And in counties that adhered to strict and quality wearing of masks, they did nothing to reduce the people catching it.

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Probability is calculated on the basis of factual data:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10344695/Unjabbed-people-catch-Covid-60-TIMES-likely-end-intensive-care.html

We were not discussing the different rates of infection were we.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What is possible and what is probable are not the same thing.

 

That said, anti-vaxxers not understanding or otherwise misrepresenting relative levels of probability is nothing new. 

 

 

Please read the link sent in full is is factual, not probable. 

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

On an individual level yes.... 

 

Someone who is vaccinated, double vaccinated and with boosters can still contract and pass on Covid-19. 

This is because the Covid-19 vaccines do not have a 100% efficacy and have never claimed to have. 

Additionally, real world effectiveness is always a measure less than efficacy. 

 

We could find an individual who does not contract Covid-19 because he is vaccinated - it could be argued that vaccines work 100% (for him) and that would be flawed. 

In much the same manner we find a vaccinated individual who does contract Covid-18 and some want to argue that vaccines are ineffective, again, this is fundamentally flawed analysis. 

 

 

Vaccinations work on a community level....  think in hundreds of thousands of people rather than on an individual level and we can see that vaccines offer a greater level of protection than none. 

 

 

The question was can vaccinated still get and pass on covid. They can

The science and knowledge is changing every day and there is a lot of false information from both sides of the argument.
 

Government scientists who have lied or misrepresented evidence have a lot to answer for. I would think people who find out their lies would be wary and rightfully so.

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Once again cherry picking to misrepresent the fact the vaccines have prevented countless infections, serious illnesses, hospitalizations and deaths.

 

One has to wonder what you get out of your constant efforts to undermine the truth of how effective the vaccines are.

Not cherry picking, the question was asked if you can still get covid after vaccination, you can.

So one can get double vaccinated, booster and still pass on covid.