Thanet

Interpreting what 'Sufficiency Economy' means and how to apply it are highly subjective given that the philosophy itself is vague and has never been fully explicated. Also, it assumes class stratification is to be preserved. But, how to determine one's 'place' in society?

'One's place' is to do as you're told, be happy to be poor, put up and shut up.

Any kind of subsidy that opposes market forces is a dumb idea. Being dumb is different from corruption though, and I'm keen to see what evidence you have on this smoking gun that the NACC can't seem to find.

Budgets get overspent in Holland too, through incompetence, as you know. It's one of the reasons why a deflationary spiral is worsening over there.

Governments in the western world who overspend budgets don;t get forced out at gunpoint by a bunch of old soldiers either. Nature takes its course and the electorate votes the other way.

Subsidy? A at minimum self-financing scheme which 'only' required a revolving funds of 500 billion Baht, and was deemed to not need any resources to be allocated in the National Budget. Now a 700++ billion Baht debt to BAAC guaranteed by the Yingluck Government and dropped in the lap of their successors.

Governments in the Western World don't get to make ridiculous election promises guaranteed to ruin a countries finances to the point a new government has limited financial margin to help the country move forward.

As for corruption, any scheme which corrupts ideas and people can be named corrupt. Personally I think the charge of 'negligence' should at least be criminally negligent.

Subsidising anything is going to result in a fiscal black hole, and with global debt at historic highs I'm trying hard to think of a government anywhere that is in the black at the moment.

Call it bad policy if you like, but so far no evidence of corruption, criminal negligence, or whatever you might like to call it. The NACC is scratching around desperately for that smoking gun, but can;t seem to find one.

Justice depends on factual evidence, so what you personally think is irrelevant anyway.

I wear a khaki uniform, so I'm right, and you are not allowed to disagree with me.

There is a reek of desperation in the air. Running a modern country is so very different from commanding soldiers on a battlefield.

It would be a good start to find out why so many people, including military officers, have wealth hardly commensurate with their salaries.

More hot air.

Isn't Prayuth's little brother & spouse worth nearly a billion Baht?

How's that for inequality?

She was Chairman of the Rice Committee and never attended one meeting. It's well documented that she received warnings that there was corruption involved and that the cost of the program would be devastating for the country. Her negligence is quite obvious.

Interesting. I must have missed it.

Now tell us where and how it's 'well documented' please.

The NACC is still desperately trying to pin blame on her, but they don't seem to have made any progress yet. That seems rather odd, given that corruption was one of the main reasons for launching the coup in the first place.

Do you know something that we don't?

By looking back at your posts you sure have missed an awful lot.

2013-06-07

Cumulative Losses From Thaksin Govts' Farm Schemes Touch Almost Bt400 Billion

The Finance Ministry's Post-Audit Committee on the Rice Pledging Scheme revealed yesterday that the government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra had overspent the budget for the rice-pledging project - Bt661.22 billion, well in excess of the Bt500 billion earmarked for the project.

http://www.thaivisa....-bt400-billion/

2013-06-03

Higher-Than-Expected Losses Negative For Thailand's Rating: Moody's

Recent losses and any future losses from the unmodified rice buying scheme will increase the difficulty of the Thai government's task of reaching its goal of a balanced budget by 2017, and are credit negative for the Thai sovereign, warned Moody's Investors Service.

http://www.thaivisa....-rating-moodys/

2013-04-18

Thailand's Farmer-Friendly Rice Subsidy Backfires

http://www.businessw...bsidy-backfires

2013-03-18

Govt must be held accountable for ruinous rice scheme

http://www.thaivisa....us-rice-scheme/

2013-03-06

Govt's Rice-Pledging Scheme Taking A Toll On Thailand's Budget

http://www.thaivisa....ailands-budget/

2012-11-14

Govt will not heed warnings on rice subsidy scheme

http://www.thaivisa....subsidy-scheme/

That enough to go on with ? can fill a page if you wish.

Any kind of subsidy that opposes market forces is a dumb idea. Being dumb is different from corruption though, and I'm keen to see what evidence you have on this smoking gun that the NACC can't seem to find.

You started off by making accusations of corruption, but the only thing that is 'well documented' is that the scheme lost money, which is quite a different thing. Incompetence and wastage are hallmarks of every Thai government, and left leaning or populist foreign governments, that I can recall. Can you think of any exceptions? The NACC can't seem to find evidence of corruption here though. Neither, it seems, can you.

Governments in the western world make similar mistakes, overspend budgets and cause deficits. There are so many examples - look at what happened in 2008. The difference is that these governments are elected by their citizenry and they don't get forced out at gunpoint by a bunch of old soldiers trying to live in the past, on a pretext of trumped up charges of corruption, where no evidence exists to this day. In a civilised society, nature takes its course, people get fed up, and the electorate votes the other way.

Yours is a straw man argument, and you got busted.

Corruption? You mean the 'negligence' case ? The one which seems obvious to all but some who don't want to see?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/766276-thai-editorial-rule-of-law-versus-political-revenge/#entry8498739

Any kind of subsidy that opposes market forces is a dumb idea. Being dumb is different from corruption though, and I'm keen to see what evidence you have on this smoking gun that the NACC can't seem to find.

Budgets get overspent in Holland too, through incompetence, as you know. It's one of the reasons why a deflationary spiral is worsening over there.

Governments in the western world who overspend budgets don;t get forced out at gunpoint by a bunch of old soldiers either. Nature takes its course and the electorate votes the other way.

It's amusing how you talk about all these parts of the government like they actually are separate entities, when in actual fact they are all puppets of the NCPO.

Its amazing indeed, just like we're told that the Yingluck government, the Yingluck cabinet, , Pheu Thai and UDD are totally different entities while in actual fact they are just puppets of the criminal fugitive hiding abroad.

I've never said that Thaksin, Yingluck, PTT, UDD et al are anything other than one and the same thing. They don't seem to make any effort to deny it either. Its obviously the case, and I share your distaste for them.

If you were honest, you'd now concede that the NLA, NRC, judiciary, army, police, air force and navy are all under the same command -- the NCPO. After all, it's written into the constitution that the NCPO has total control over everything, in having the power of veto.

Instead, you purport this silly pretence that all these organs of government act autonomously, lecturing people about this or that dummy legal process, as if you believed that the result is anything other than a foregone conclusion. You talk as if there is some kind of separation between parts of the administration, similar to what you'd see in Holland, even though here everything is working under the complete control of a dictator.

She was Chairman of the Rice Committee and never attended one meeting. It's well documented that she received warnings that there was corruption involved and that the cost of the program would be devastating for the country. Her negligence is quite obvious.

Interesting. I must have missed it.

Now tell us where and how it's 'well documented' please.

The NACC is still desperately trying to pin blame on her, but they don't seem to have made any progress yet. That seems rather odd, given that corruption was one of the main reasons for launching the coup in the first place.

Do you know something that we don't?

Because it is all part of the deal and you don't see that. If Yingluck and Thaksin had nothing to lose they would have been more active.

Corruption in the judicial system is certainly possible in Thailand, but how do you know that is what happened here? Are you in the army?

And how would you suggest that Yingluck could be 'more active', when the press are forbidden to report on anything she, or nay other politician says, and when any kind of demonstration is forbidden? The threat of being arrested, then banged up incommunicado in an army base without trial, is a rather compelling reason to keep your mouth shut, wouldn't you think?

Seems like you are making up a conspiracy theory, based on mere conjecture.

"NLA has an obligation to answer a key basic question of legitimacy before proceeding with the impeachment of politicians of the previous regime"

The NLA certainly needs to answer the question in terms of legitimacy as to how it can ignore the illegality (as Gen. Prayuth admits) of the military coup, the coup illegal suspension of the 2007 Constitution, the coup's self-created amensty for its own illegal acts, and creation of NCPO's absolute power over the government. The NLA should also answer to its own legitimacy to subject any former government politician to impeachment having itself become an impeachable act under the 2007 Constitution through its creation by the coup leaders and staffed with members through direct NCPO nomination and appointment, including active military subordinates under the Junta's chain of Command.

Until the NLA can judge itself as legitimate and free of conflict of interest, it has no right to judge others.

The Constitutional Court might have the obligation, not the NLA. So someone should ask them, like the Pheu Thai party may or may not have asked the C.C. already about impeachment as they said they would.

As for legitimacy, you may jump up, you may jump down, but at the moment the NLA, and the PM and his cabinet form the legal government of Thailand. Even the UN has accepted the MoFA as representing the government of Thailand, unconditionally.

It's amusing how you talk about all these parts of the government like they actually are separate entities, when in actual fact they are all puppets of the NCPO.

Yingluck should definitely be impeached for her role in the Rice Scheme. As chairman she never attended one meeting and ignored many warnings about corruption and financial losses for the country. I feel that this is more serious than the charges brought against other politicians

Ummm .... how do you know?

The rice scheme was a silly idea, but in spite of using it as the pretext for a coup the assembled might of the junta hasn't yet managed to pin any wrongdoing on her ....

In failing to be properly informed you seem to be just as negligent as Ms. Yingluck.

If you're so 'well informed' you'd better go and work for the NACC then. They seem to be having an awful lot of trouble proving all these allegations.

Perhaps all this focus on corruption is rather embarrassing for the old generals, some of whom are filthy rich on their army salaries ... including Prayuth's little bro.

Sad to see so many posters choose a military dictatorship over democracy!!

I don't care if it is a red or yellow government, but at least let the Thais have a say in who is going to steal from them!!

Until Thailand gets rid of its feudal system with its mighty protectors, nothing is going to change.

To the posters here, who blindly believe in the new Mr Big, wonder how his brother got so wealthy??

Are you suggesting posters actually had an influence over whether there was a coup or not?

A lot of people aren't choosing a military dictatorship, they're just pointing out the problems with the previous government.

Thankfully, you don't have influence over anything here.

Why shouldn't voters, rather than out of touch old soldiers, should be left to point out problems with governments?

She was Chairman of the Rice Committee and never attended one meeting. It's well documented that she received warnings that there was corruption involved and that the cost of the program would be devastating for the country. Her negligence is quite obvious.

Interesting. I must have missed it.

Now tell us where and how it's 'well documented' please.

The NACC is still desperately trying to pin blame on her, but they don't seem to have made any progress yet. That seems rather odd, given that corruption was one of the main reasons for launching the coup in the first place.

Do you know something that we don't?

Wouldn't it be terrible if they put in clauses that invalidated the amnesties past and current coup leaders granted themselves?

Ha ha - good reply.

It's a pretty lame reply actually.

Oh tell us why, please do

... "who predicts the new charter"... "will be designed to prevent Thaksin Shinawatra from making a political comeback."

Great point.

Wouldn't it be terrible if they put in clauses to say that convicted criminals on the run can't be involved in politics?

Wouldn't it be terrible if they put in clauses that invalidated the amnesties past and current coup leaders granted themselves?

Ha ha - good reply.

They are shy, and they don't speak your language, so hand the change to your wife in case there is any query. She will be able to deal with it better than you.

They assume that you share things with your wife anyway.

Not a big deal.

Get over it.

Another step in the rehabilitation of this lying hypocrite.

He'll be the next PM.

Sounds like this lot are truly representative of the Thai citizenry.

Talk's cheap.

Dear PM, reforms start at home, you will do well to look it to your own family, show and tell how come your

brother a soldier, is fabulously rich with 80 million baht (known) to his name...

Very well said.

But, of course, Prayuth's little bro could be just a hard saver.

WOW.

No wonder PM Prayuth is more popular than all the previous PM's over the part decade.

He sees an error in his ways when commenting on bikinis and actually apologies. What a rare trait that is for a politician Realizing he made a mistake and apologized. Now he is saying he will be held responsible if the reforms fail. He won't even blame the PTP or the red shirts if and when they start there campaign of terror again when martial law is lifted. Wont blame them for throwing blood on the streets or burning effigies or threatening to kidnap people. He will blame himself. How refreshing.

One can be assured the PTP Minister for Denying, Prompong Nopparit will never have a job in this responsible and accountable government.

The root of this reform is respecting the law and holding people accountable for breaking it, both of which never happened and is why the coup happened in the first place. If nothing else it highlighted the need for this reform. I cannot thank the UDD 7% for much, but I can thank them for showing Thailand why reform is needed.

By what measure do you say he's more popular than all the previous PM over the past decade?

Did the censored press tell you that, or did an election result tell you that?

"But he still talks and replies like a soldier. "

That's because he is a soldier, like a fish out of water, meddling in something that he can't understand.

Prayuth hates criticism, just like Thaksin did. The sooner he realises this and quits, the better for Thailand. Friday TV will be a lot better without his boring sermons too.

Seems the yellow lot have bitten off more than they can chew by supporting this dictator.

You can say what you like about him Thanet, but at least the words coming out of his mouth are his own words, he is not some imbecile, halfwitted robot being driven by remote control by an on-the-run criminal hiding somewhere in the Middle East or China in a five star hotel.

Prayuth hates criticism, just like Thaksin did..............................................Thaksin still does, and reacts accordingly.

The sooner he realises this and quits, the better for Thailand................................Many have said that about the Shins. They would be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize if they left.

Friday TV will be a lot better without his boring sermons too.........................TVF would also be better off without red propaganda rubbish.

How do you know they are his own words, and that he is not an imbecile?

With the censored press and all, couldn't there be other people telling him what to do?