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Very good.

Abhisit must think that Thai people are completely stupid, to deny the patently obvious.

It amazes me how many seemingly normal people here do believe him though.

What has Abhisit denied? I didn't read Abhisit's name in the OP.

(edit: except for the photo caption)

You told me that PTP were being given the same forum as Abhisit and the Dems. You told me that there were "articles" to support your claim.

Where are they?

As always, you toss falsehoods into the argument, because you have nothing real to go on.

Try looking in the right topic. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/762093-abhisit-enjoys-a-surge-in-popularity-bangkok-poll/page-3#entry8417945

An answer to my question would be appreciated.

Ah, thanks. Note though that while PTT "raises its head", and both articles are about accusations against them, Abhisit is riding high on (Bangkok based) poll results and pontificating about politics in general. Hmmmm - biased somewhat?

Well, Abhisit and the Democrat party are the same thing. He is their leader, and there iss ample evidence of him blowing whistles and hugging Suthep to make any reasonable person believe that he is leading his party in support of the PDRC. To try to claim otherwise is sheer desperation, and nonsense.

They should dissolve the Dems, just like they disbanded Thaksin's lot. If they want real reconciliation, that is.

Very good.

Abhisit must think that Thai people are completely stupid, to deny the patently obvious.

It amazes me how many seemingly normal people here do believe him though.

What has Abhisit denied? I didn't read Abhisit's name in the OP.

(edit: except for the photo caption)

You told me that PTP were being given the same forum as Abhisit and the Dems. You told me that there were "articles" to support your claim.

Where are they?

As always, you toss falsehoods into the argument, because you have nothing real to go on.

When you get in trouble and you don't know right from wrong

Give a little whistle! Give a little whistle!

When you meet the Press and the urge is very strong

Give a little whistle! Give a little whistle!

Not just a little squeak, pucker up and blow

And if your whistle's weak, yell "I Didn't Do It"

Right!

Take the straight and narrow path

And if you start to slide in the Polls

Give a little whistle! Give a little whistle!

And always let your conscience be your guide

Take the straight and narrow path

And if you start to slide in the Polls

Give a little whistle! Give a little whistle!

And always let your conscience be your guide

And always let your conscience be your guide

Give a little whistle

From "Pinocchio"

Music and lyrics by Leigh Harline and Ned Washington

Very good.

Abhisit must think that Thai people are completely stupid, to deny the patently obvious.

It amazes me how many seemingly normal people here do believe him though.

Prayuth is a real hero and corruption fighter. He disclose the corruption in the microphones purchase, and stop it. Yingluck and mark did absolutely nothing.

Oh wow. So no more corruption then.

So they're still trying to pin it on a foreigner.

I don't see why the new Prime Minister doesn't send the army into this lawless place and audit everyone who lives there to weed out the seemingly endemic corruption.

Martial law is still in effect isn't it ?

Who are these 5 families who are so important that even the prime minister can't touch them ?

Well observed, and it does smell a bit fishy, especially now that corruption in Thailand is a thing of the past.

"I have too much pressure" = It's clear I don't like foreigners in my country.

Aren't PM's supposed to be under pressure that's their daily life and why they are elected.

A very good point, but he wasn't elected, so he can say any ridiculous thing that he likes.

It would seem that long term prevention can be done with mindset / attitude change.

Or in other words "education, education, education"

Interesting. In another thread you said: "PM Prayuths ideas on bikinies and women reminds Australians too much of their attitude to Sheilas"

Is this what you mean by "Education, education, education?"

Sounds like the OP is hanging out with the wrong kind of people.

Thais of the sincere sort are happy to have a foreigner speak their language.

Re Abhisit's comment that he wore a whistle but did not blow it, it now looks like he'll have to change this to something akin to 'smoked but did not inhale'.

I think that anybody vaguely sane will know what happened, but that is highly unlikely to lead to a negative court decision. I'm continually amazed by the TVF posters who do not acknowledge the obvious connections between the PC, the leadership of the armed forces, much of the judiciary and the senior backers of the Democrat Party,

On questioning Mr. Abhisit why he was wearing the PCAD trademark whistle despite denials that the Democratic Party supported the protest movement, he responded with a remark from the Bill Clinton text book: "I wore the whistle, but I never blew it!"

Doh!

I

Doh!

He's not inhaling here either:

Looks very much like a whistle to me though.

And here too:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/People-blow-whistle-on-govt-30218751.html

Just for fun mind you, and does't mean that the party he leads supports the PDRC.

And here's another one - the whistle being just a fashion accessory and most certainly NOT related to the party he leads supporting the PDRC:

If you own a condo, then you are not really a tourist.

Tourists are people who don't have residence and stay in hotels.

Actually quite a few does own condo or similar for holiday purpose only. However, not all for their own holiday purpose, many does rent out when they do not occupy the place themselves.

I know what you mean, but immigration (in their simplistic way) seem to think that tourists are people who stay in hotels, and people who don't are temporary residents.

He is banned from Australia from travel here-

He is also never going to be addressed or given any ear by "'any "" Australian Parliament representative.

The other Government members are also banned. *(From Australian soil)

Interesting. Why?

Maybe because PM Prayuths ideas on bikinies and women reminds Australians too much of their attitude to Sheilas

What a childish post, which shows that you don't know anything about Australia, other than what you may have seen in Crocodile Dundee. If you visit Australia, you'll find that the people there value equality just as much as you Dutch do.

@falangjim - he was banned after the coup, because Australia is a democracy and does not welcome leaders who seize power by force.

LOL keep flapping those lips, no one buys it.

No doubt prominent executives and members of the Democrat party supported the anti-government protests. The question seems to be if they had resigned as MP, executive or member and when.

I would assume an MP can join a protest, but maybe not lead it, but a 'normal' party member would be under no such restrictions, especially when his party has no parliamentary representation. Even in the (very) first days of the protests PM Yingluck admitted to the democratic rights of protesting.

Oh no - you are pretending again.

I'll make it simple. Was Abhisit an MP when this picture was taken? (thanks to FAB4 for digging it out).

Doh!

I've just realised that suthep is giving abhisit some kind of "hat" judging by the others wearing said item in the picture. Surely abhisit wouldn't wear ridiculous headgear?

Doh!

That does look remarkably like a whistle sticking out of his mouth, as he smooches with Suthep.

Not supporting though.

Abhisit's picture was in the newspapers at the time. He was marching down the street with the PDRC, blowing his whistle.

At the time, he looked proud to be part of it. But of course, that's not really supporting. He was just coincidentally walking down the street, blowing a whistle.

What a hypocritical liar the man is.

Visa runners are not welcome any more, only those who have 500,000 Baht to spend on a visa every five years.

The government will raise a fortune out of this.

OK. First. This poll was a popularity poll comparing Abhisit and Yingluck. (You did read the OP didn't you?) So there was opposition. The protests, the coup, and the case against Yingluck doesn't stop people from answering whether they prefer Abhisit or Yingluck (or as the poll results show, someone else).

Second. A poll prior to the 2011 election showed that the Democrats policies were more popular than others. Just because people liked the policies doesn't mean that they would vote for them.

Third. Abhisit was elected an MP by the voters. He has been elected an MP (both constituency and party list) by the voters for many years (as opposed to Yingluck not being elected to anything before the election). Prior to Abhisit being elected PM, PPP's Samak and Somchai were both elected PM in the same way. In all three cases, coalitions were formed, all of them in less than honorable conditions. PPP needed to form a coalition with smaller parties to form government since they didn't get a majority of the seats (ie they didn't "win" the election). Some of the smaller parties had actually campaigned that they wouldn't join a PPP coalition. Some of them also flew off to Hong Kong to meet with the PPP party owner to do their deals too.

And Yes, Abhisit's coalition was formed in the barracks. One coalition member suggested that he didn't have a choice. I reckon that's because he was scared of missing a place at the trough.

When Abhisit was elected PM, he was elected by a majority of MPs. All the constituency seats were filled after byelections to replace banned MPs. All but 5 party list seats were filled. Remember that not all the PPP MPs were banned, only the executives were. The remaining PPP MPs either moved to PTP, BJT or other smaller parties. Only PPP was banned. All the smaller parties continued on.

So, please tell me when "they got rid of any opposition" to make Abhisit "look good"?

2006, 2008, and 2014.

Facts are wasted on this guy.

Mirror, mirror in the wall, ... ...

Mind you I'm a bit surprised TB didn't mention 2010

Anyway, Abhisit enjoys a surge and I can only assume that has no relation with the popular topics on bathing costumes. Maybe more with a lessening of the campaigns against him. Rumour has it the NCPO even prohibited the screening of the popular "kill me some" tape.

Eh? What on earth are you talking about?

OK. First. This poll was a popularity poll comparing Abhisit and Yingluck. (You did read the OP didn't you?) So there was opposition. The protests, the coup, and the case against Yingluck doesn't stop people from answering whether they prefer Abhisit or Yingluck (or as the poll results show, someone else).

Second. A poll prior to the 2011 election showed that the Democrats policies were more popular than others. Just because people liked the policies doesn't mean that they would vote for them.

Third. Abhisit was elected an MP by the voters. He has been elected an MP (both constituency and party list) by the voters for many years (as opposed to Yingluck not being elected to anything before the election). Prior to Abhisit being elected PM, PPP's Samak and Somchai were both elected PM in the same way. In all three cases, coalitions were formed, all of them in less than honorable conditions. PPP needed to form a coalition with smaller parties to form government since they didn't get a majority of the seats (ie they didn't "win" the election). Some of the smaller parties had actually campaigned that they wouldn't join a PPP coalition. Some of them also flew off to Hong Kong to meet with the PPP party owner to do their deals too.

And Yes, Abhisit's coalition was formed in the barracks. One coalition member suggested that he didn't have a choice. I reckon that's because he was scared of missing a place at the trough.

When Abhisit was elected PM, he was elected by a majority of MPs. All the constituency seats were filled after byelections to replace banned MPs. All but 5 party list seats were filled. Remember that not all the PPP MPs were banned, only the executives were. The remaining PPP MPs either moved to PTP, BJT or other smaller parties. Only PPP was banned. All the smaller parties continued on.

So, please tell me when "they got rid of any opposition" to make Abhisit "look good"?

2006, 2008, and 2014.

Facts are wasted on this guy.

It sounds like his rehabilitation is nearing completion. He is being given a forum while nobody else is. He is the chosen one.

A majority of Bangkokians support him, so that means that the whole of Thailand must love him too. I say make him PM forever and forget about all these silly election and reform related formalities.

What forum has he been given?

He is regularly quoted in the censored press, at a time when all other politicians are told to shut up. Do you need it spelled out any clearer than that?

Weren't there a couple of articles on PTP last week. Please spell out to me how that makes Abhisit any different.

Show me the articles. Show me them. There is an NCPO decree that forbids the media from reporting statements from former politicians, from one side at any rate. They were all made to sign up to shut up. So was Abhisit, supposedly, so as to facilitate reconciliation in an unbiased way.

Show me statements that contain any kind of political commentary from the OTHER side of the debate.

Abhisit is the chosen one. Bangkok has spoken.

It sounds like his rehabilitation is nearing completion. He is being given a forum while nobody else is. He is the chosen one.

A majority of Bangkokians support him, so that means that the whole of Thailand must love him too. I say make him PM forever and forget about all these silly election and reform related formalities.

What forum has he been given?

He is regularly quoted in the censored press, at a time when all other politicians are told to shut up. Do you need it spelled out any clearer than that?

It sounds like his rehabilitation is nearing completion. He is being given a forum while nobody else is. He is the chosen one.

A majority of Bangkokians support him, so that means that the whole of Thailand must love him too. I say make him PM forever and forget about all these silly election and reform related formalities.

The Airport Link is a fast and comfortable way of getting out of the airport. but not a good way of getting into the city. The main problem is the city terminus: Makasan, and its lack of connections to anywhere else. If you have heavy bags, forget it.

Other options are taxis, many of whom try to rip you off and drive like madmen.

I still use the AOT limo service - costs around 1,000 - 1.500 Baht, depending on where you are heading, but it's well worth it. The drivers are polite, and the cars are always in good condition. Nice after a long flight.

"will be"

"after careful consideration"

Yeah, right.

My dear chap, historical facts only show us that this junta promised nothing till now because they didn't exist till now. Therefor I have to start with the priotarisation the government has told us about now. On this we can measure their performance, not on what other government have done or not have done.

As for censorship, don't worry, news will leak out even if you can't read it here in Thailand.

As for your last sentence, once more 'stop that crap!' Don't show your ignorance by trying to bait me. You have no idea what colourful and varied believes Europeans of my age have. You just assume that there must be something wrong in being not negative about the NCPO which stopped seven months of chaos and has a majority of Thai behind them. No need to believe me. Just ask around, preferably outside your usual circle of law abiding more than minimum wage paying friends.

So, back to the topic, no words from you yet on whether or not you think the MoC should do something to elevate the needs of the poor.

The junta didn't exist until now? Very funny to watch you squirm, were your remarks not so ridiculous. If Thaksin formed a new party, by the same twisted logic you'd be telling me that 'it didn't exist until now', and should therefore be excused of past wrongdoings, right?

The junta and the army are the same thing. To ignore historical precedence is nonsense.

You seem to have missed that this topic is on the Ministry of Commerce considering plans on reducing costs of living. Furthermore I mentioned that maybe after nearly two years it would be time to look at the minimum wage level and make some 'inflation corrections'.

All your comments seem to concentrate on junta bashing while at the same time giving the impression that of course Thai companies and Thai faithfully follow labour laws and even pay more than necessary, and foreigners know nothing.

It would seem you're either just insulting and trying to disrupt affairs here, or you might be the prime example why Thailand needs reforms and education. IMHO

Well I'm glad to see that you support a minimum wage. Quick question: who introduced it? Who introduced the right to see a doctor for 30 Baht? Holland is a very egalitarian country, one that values freedom, cares for its needy, and rejects tyranny, so I'm glad that you seem to be in agreement that these changes to help the lower echelons of society lead dignified lives are for the common good.

If you've been here for a while, and if you know what you are talking about, then you'll know that you won't run out of fingers counting what the other side of the political spectrum has done for the poor here. Let them eat cake, just about sums it up. Oh dear, silly me. You've already told me that you don't think historical precedent matters, even to the grossly exaggerated extent of pretending that the junta, having only come into existence on the day of the coup, had nothing to do with the RTA that has been in existence for a very long time. Forgetting about the past, all the matters to you is vague promises in the future tense, dished out in Friday Prayers, when there are so many more interesting things to watch on TV.

The Commerce Minister can talk about things in the future as much as he likes, about what will be but isn't (for one or another reason) yet, and it seems to be all that you need to feel satisfied.

Actions speak louder than words.