Phil_ne_uk

7by7 you say my partner is entitled to ILE as we’ve lived together over 4 years.

However you said

Subject to KOL means that she needs to satisfy the Knowledge of language and life in the UK before being granted indefinite leave to enter or remain in the UK.

So surely that means that she won’t be entitled to ILE as she won’t have done the test before applying?

Sorry but I’m confused.

Phil

7by7 thank you for your reply and informative info once again.

However, you guessed it more questions, sorry.

When you say,

Whether she is granted a 27 month settlement visa or ILE subject to KOL

As we have lived together over 4 years does that mean that she will be entitled to ILE?

But what do you mean, “subject to KOL”?

295A (b )(ii) states

The requirements to be met by a person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom with a view to settlement as the unmarried or same-sex partner of a person present and settled in the United Kingdom or being admitted on the same occasion for settlement, are that:

The applicant has sufficient knowledge of the English language and sufficient knowledge about life in the United Kingdom, unless he is under the age of 18 or aged 65 or over at the time he makes his application

So does that not mean she is only entitled to be granted a 27 month settlement visa as she has not yet taken the KOL test?

Or as we have lived together over 4 years can she take the test once in the UK and skip the 27 month period assuming she passes the test?

Thanks for clarifying my other questions.

Phil

I'm not so sure 7by7 is right about Phil's case, as he is not married, how can his partner qualify for ILE, or conditional ILE (pending KOL)? I always understood this was only applicable to couples who have been married for at least four years at time of application.

You don't have to be married to be eligible for a UK settlement visa!

See http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply/in...ivespartners#Q6

7by7 thank you for your reply and informative info.

Just so I understand all this correctly can I ask, when you say

2/ Yes, she will have to pay the fee for her ILR application. From 6th April this fee will be £840 by post, £1095 in person. So you can see that it is well worth taking the LitUK test if in the UK on a visit!

Do you mean she pays the settlement application fee of 30,420 baht as stated on http://www.vfs-uk-th.com/visafees.aspx in order to apply for entry into the UK. Then either £840 or £1095 for ILR after passing the KOL test once in the UK?

Did you mean if she takes the KOL test on holiday in the UK she would then just pay the fee in Thailand for ILR only? Obviously that means expense for a trip to the UK. I’m just trying to work out the cheapest way to achieve the ILR.

May I also ask what you mean when you say From 6th April this fee will be £840 by post, £1095 in person Do you mean this is paid in the UK or Thailand?

3/ When you say

time spent in the UK with a visit or other visa prior to obtaining settlement counts.

In 2005 she spent about 4 months in the UK 6 months in 2006 and 2 months in 2007. So does that mean 12 months are counted already off the 5 year period?

4/ Regarding the settlement application. My partner phoned the VAC centre and was told that if she completes the form online, prints it out, then she can just turn up at the centre and wait, without actually making an appointment date online. Is this correct?

Finally, on here http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply/in...dswivespartners it says...

What supporting documents should I include with my application?

You should include all the documents you can to show that you qualify for entry as a husband, wife, civil partner, fiancé, fiancée, proposed civil partner, or unmarried or same-sex partner. If you do not, we may refuse your application.

As a guide, you should include the following:

Your original birth certificate.

Does she have to provide a birth certificate as she says she doesn’t have one?

Thanks,

Phil

Sorry to butt in and resurrect this thread but it’s relevant to my situation and have a few questions if any of you knowledgeable guys can answer them it will be appreciated.

I’ve lived in Thailand for almost 5 years with my unmarried female partner (I’m male)

We have known each other since July 2004 and lived together in England from January 2005 until both moving to Thailand in May 2005 where we have lived together since then.

She has had 3 visitors’ visas for the UK and one for the US.

My questions are as follows:

1/ From what I’ve read and understand she can apply for ILE, take the KOL test once in the UK and be given ILR. Is this correct?

2/ I realise we pay the embassy in BKK the fee for the application and once in the UK the fee for the KOL test. However to obtain ILR will there be a fee and if so how much?

3/ Once she obtains ILR how soon after is she allowed/able to apply for a British passport?

4/ When applying as my unmarried partner in BKK what does she apply for, a settlement visa or ILE and has the form to be completed online?

RHCP I agree, the test questions are ridiculous, and many British people wouldn’t know the correct answers never mind Thai people!

Thanks,

Phil

I don’t understand why but booking a flight from BKK to the Uk is a rip off as its almost double from BKK!

Hi, my partner takes Yasmin as her BC pill. However I have read that the side effects include hair loss which she has experienced for some time now.

I would like to know if anyone else has had this side effect also and if they changed to an alternative pill and if so may I ask which one they now use?

Thank,

Phil

I have some old VHS videos that I want to put on DVD’s. I understand I need a video capture card. Does anyone please know where I can get one?

I went to tuk com in Pattaya yesterday and the shops I asked either didn’t have one or didn’t know <deleted> I was talking about, surprise surprise.

Cheers,

Phil

Strange, I thought it would have been the 195th

Greetings Everyone,

I need stable access and stable electricity

Siri

Anywhere, outside Thailand!

Thanks for the info beggar.

d0ndela, as a matter of interest who did you change to instead of TOT? And how good is their service?

TOT is the same here in Pattaya, cr@p, as usual. A few days ago i had as low as 50kbps download speed. if you can call it speed!

I’m wondering if anybody has cancelled their TOT service before the 6 or 12 month contract has finished and did TOT want, or demand a penalty fee for cancelling their cr@p service?

I’m considering changing to TT&T (now triple T) as I’ve been told and heard that is more consistent and they say it’s via cable so you don’t need a landline. Is this true, anyone?

Thanks in advance,

Phil

yes I guess I did that for germany. well not getting residence though - just 90 days schengen stay (free of charge)....

I dont believe germany (easily) allowed residence if not married, but I may be wrong - seem spain is in similar state?

scandinavian countries are supposed to be more open minded in accepting 'cohabiting'

cheers & keep up your friendly mood!

Hi Worldfun, thanks for the info.

Phil

Me? I can't be bothered with this anymore!

Thank <deleted> for that!!

I asked you if you had a specific question in mind, rather than the general covers all of Europe one you asked, because the directive effectively allows individual states to set their own definition of what constitutes unmarried partners.

If you mean am I interested in a certain country then yes, France. But my initial question is to determine if anyone has managed to obtain entry in to an EU country on the basis of the directive so as to see which countries have implemented the directive and which haven’t.

For example, the definition set by the Spanish may well be different, and harder to meet, than that set by the French. So someone saying that they applied to France and were successful does not mean that you would be successful if you applied to Spain.

That’s true, each country applies its own rules concerning the ways of proving the durable partnership. Having said that they cant be too fussy as the directive states…………

The requirement of durability of the relationship must be assessed in the light of the objective of the Directive to maintain the unity of the family in a broad sense.

National rules on durability of partnership can refer to a minimum amount of time as a criterion for whether a partnership can be considered as durable. However, in this case national rules would need to foresee that other relevant aspects (such as for example a joint mortgage to buy a home) are also taken into account. Any denial of entry or residence must be fully justified in writing and open to appeal.

If you are considering moving to a specific European state, then it would help people give you better advice if you were to say so.

I appreciate your concern, however but I don’t need advice about the directive. I’m just trying to see if anyone achieved this without problems from any of the EU countries.

If you merely want to know if unmarried partners qualify under these rules, then as both the directive itself and orchidofsiam say, the answer is 'Yes!'

Thanks again 7by7 but I am fully aware that unmarried partners are entitled to EU residence under the directive as long as they qualify.

As the document says

Partners with whom an EU national has a de facto durable relationship, duly attested, are covered by Article 3(2)(.

The document also says

National rules on durability of partnership can refer to a minimum amount of time as a criterion for whether a partnership can be considered as durable.

For the UK this minimum period is two years; other states may have a shorter or longer minimum period.

Remember that these rules do not apply if the EU national is living in or moving to the state of which they are a citizen; unless they are already exercising their treaty rights in a different EU state with their partner and are now moving back to their own country.

I do not personally know of anyone who has done this, but have a recollection of reading in forums such as this of couples who have done so.

Are you asking simply out of curiosity, or do you have a specific situation in mind? If the latter, you will probably receive more helpful replies if you asked a specific question pertaining to that situation.

Thanks for your reply 7by7. I’m fully aware about how the directive is supposed to work in practice, however it seems that some of the EU states don’t, or refuse to implement the directive.

The Spanish embassy in BKK for example wouldn’t implement the directive in 2006. This I know from personal experience 3 years ago when we had an idea to move to Spain on the basis of the directive, and found them to be the most unhelpful bunch of B******s imaginable.

The only helpful replies required would be if someone posted saying they had or hadn’t been issued a visa for residency in any one of the EU states under the directive.

BTW, my specific question was stated in my initial post

As nobody has confirmed, it would seem that nobody has achieved this, or they haven’t read this post yet!

Where Can I Live To Get Very Good Internet

Defiantly NOT in Thailand!

My TOT speed today is….

Download Speed: 115 kbps (14.4 KB/sec transfer rate)

Upload Speed: 83 kbps (10.4 KB/sec transfer rate)

Cr@p, as usual!!

I did say 'usually.' There are other ways to satisfy the requirements, true.

OK fair enough, so as a visa consultant company, do you know of anyone, or better still, have you helped anyone obtain a visa on this basis?

Well I must be very lucky as my other half can cook an excellent British Sunday dinner. The Yorkshires aren’t so good as I don’t think you can get lard here in Pattaya so she uses shortening which doesn’t work as good.

She also makes Indian food, lasagna, various pasta dishes and with her ingredients. None of these expensive jars of sauces. Also pizzas using the bases from foodland at 32 baht each.

She also makes cakes and even the roti’s you can buy in the streets from the portable stalls

Foodland on central Pattaya road sell pizza bases for 32 baht and they are very good. It saves the hassle of trying to make them. You can find recipes for the sauce base on a site called videojug.com which has some great recipies for all types of food

Phil

This is a very common application. To be eligible you must be a European national exercising your treaty rights in another EU country, usually by working there. Your partner applies for permission to enter the host country and after arrival, within six months, applies for a residence permit, usually valid for five years. There are no fees payable for these permissions. You must be able to prove that your partnership has existed for a minimum of two years.

Thank you for your reply, however I am fully aware of the directive’s conditions.

What I want to know if anyone has been issued entry on the basis of the directive?

BTW, already working in the EU is not a requirement.

I wondered if any EU citizen here in Thailand has obtained a free of charge short-term entry visa from any EU country embassy in BKK for their partner who they cohabit with, as unmarried partners, allowing them to travel to Europe and apply for residency in any EU country on the basis of the European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC?

I have searched & searched the forum but cannot find the answer to my question.

Does anyone know if, as a British citizen living in Thailand, can I can apply for a visitor’s visa for the USA at the US embassy in BKK?

I know that I do not qualify for the visa waiver programme.

Thanks in advance,

Phil

Well I’ve read all the posts on here with great interest as I’m considering changing from TOT to TT&T. however one seems to be as bad as the other. A vote would be interesting to see which one seems to be the best, or should I say worst!

I have tried phoning TT&T with some questions for over an hour but nobody answers the phone!

I phoned 038 360 500 & 038 360 502 & 038 370 023 & 038 370 024, the phone rings but nobody answers! Typical useless service, but what can you expect in Thailand.

Does anyone have any different numbers for them please?

Cheers,

Phil