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Good one, Thai Visa.

^ Oh sounds like you are comparing it to or had visions of it being the same as the superbike range that is called cbr rr, obviously thinking like that you would be dussapointed Sent from my GT-P7500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

No, I was originally disappointed to see it had a redline around 9000rpm. And not like the 250 @ 10.5k rpm or 150 @ 11.5k rpm.

I think everybody was, tbh.

Now upon learning that on top of this the rev limiter kicks in bang-on at redline at 9k rpm, and not at least 1k after like the 250 (11.5k) or 150 (12.5k), it is doubly disappointing.

It will of course suit some people, and not others. As long as those thinking of buying one know what they're getting.

Strange as it seems only ONE poster has even mentioned the limiter. And he managed to hit it once on a test ride at Big Wing in 1st gear on a Bike with minimal fuel. The test area is fairly small. It would be interesting if the Op would try a proper test ride on open roads (say rent one in Pattaya)

Until then he and every one else who hasn't ridden one has NO idea how the Bike rides in real road situations.

The Redline starts at 8800. Op says the limiter comes on at 9000. For sure!

You mentioned the Cbr250 recline/limiter. Personally I have hit the limiter once and that was early on in riding the bike. I then realized that there was absolutely no reason to rev it so high as I had already gone past the power peak.... that's what its all about at the end of the day ..... power.

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Yes you are right about that! My test on this bikes where not proper and it was at the change to the 2nd gear I felt this clutch jammed feeling not revving it max on the 1st gear loool what would be the use of that hahaa.

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Are you for real?

Upon looking around google it appears there is a restriction in 1st and 2nd gear couldn't be arsed to read it all though again I'd take what ap Honda tell me with a pinch of salt. The 2010 and 2011 had that restriction. It caused a terrible torque drop between 2 and 4k rpm. The 2012 and 2013 VFRs don't have this 1st and 2nd gear restriction though.seems about right they were talking about poor torque in the lower rev range......think you still need to do a dyno run to clear this up. or the poster that bought this up needs yo supply a link to where he got that info from.

I figured that in auto mode with the shifts at lower rpms would help in the emissions test. I could be wrong. When I ordered the CBR 1000, I thought it was full spec. I found out otherwise and went through with the purchase anyway. I asked Big Wing if the 1000 was restricted and they answered thruthfully. I derestricted it, but was a bit upset that it wasn't full spec right off the bat. No way I would go through that again. I have been assured by Big Wing that the VFR 1200 is full spec and I have no reason not to believe them.I dont think the shift point would make a difference when testing emissionsOtherwise one could sandbag any bike past the test. Also aren't emission tests stationary?On your old 1000 I guess the next buyer gets a bonus in getting a unrestricted bike.

Big Wing said the second hand price they gave me was for the bike in stock form. They weren't interested in the aftermarket stuff. I was hoping they would just offer a bit more for the bike in modded form. I was thinking it would be cool for the new buyer to get an unrestricted bike. There is also the the attachment you get to your bike. It kills me that my they are going to change everything back to stock form. Selling all the extras to a friend who has a restricted 1000.

Upon looking around google it appears there is a restriction in 1st and 2nd gear couldn't be arsed to read it all though again I'd take what ap Honda tell me with a pinch of salt.

Ah the emissions does sound about right,but Dunno about dct affecting the emission results isn't dct just the auto gear box system.No disrespect but I wouldn't take what big wing told me as gospel.

I figured that in auto mode with the shifts at lower rpms would help in the emissions test. I could be wrong. When I ordered the CBR 1000, I thought it was full spec. I found out otherwise and went through with the purchase anyway. I asked Big Wing if the 1000 was restricted and they answered thruthfully. I derestricted it, but was a bit upset that it wasn't full spec right off the bat. No way I would go through that again. I have been assured by Big Wing that the VFR 1200 is full spec and I have no reason not to believe them.

VFR selling in Thailand is Japan spec only 111ps

It is not as good as in korean video. You have to buy from Grey importer to get full 175 PS USA spec.

Don't buy from Honda Thailand. all bike in their showroom is Japan spec.

No, the CBR 1000 is the only restricted Japanese spec bike sold by Big Wing. The VFR is full spec for sure.

mmm think a dyno run needed to clear this one up,i must admit i was and still am thinking why would they sell the cbr restricted and not the vfr........

Because the CBR 1000 couldn't pass emissions. The VFR 1200F with DCT could. I could do a dyno for sure. A call to Big Wing would clear it up as well. They will confirm what I said.

@summit

Curious why the change? riding posistion and comfort?

Comfort and a bike more suited for 2 up touring. Still wanted something fast and sporty though. I loved the 1000, but it wasn't the most practical bike for the type of riding I do.

VFR selling in Thailand is Japan spec only 111ps

It is not as good as in korean video. You have to buy from Grey importer to get full 175 PS USA spec.

Don't buy from Honda Thailand. all bike in their showroom is Japan spec.

No, the CBR 1000 is the only restricted Japanese spec bike sold by Big Wing. The VFR is full spec for sure.

Bought my zoomer and love it as it does every thing I wanted

I'd like some help please as I dont want to be caught out is there a good tubless tyre repair kit available in thailand with the mushroom style plugs ?

Is there an after market variator out there to add a bit more torque ?

thank u for any help

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Panda Rider has some tubeless tire repair kits. I'm not sure about the aftermarket variator though. I'll see if I can get some info for you. Best of luck.

Brian

yeah bramds but it is a horrible looking one and why they do not put it for export bikes? Westerners do not burn their legs?

I heard the guard on the exhaust is a new T.I.S. requirement here in Thailand. Not much Honda could do about it.

dct in theory adjust the shifting time for economy mostly but it has power modes i guess, right Brian?

It has three modes, regular auto (economy mode, very early shifts), sport auto (later shifts), and full manual (power mode, I guess).

DCT / auto mode sounds like a fantastic idea. I'd love to try to see how quickly it shifts in manual mode - is it like shifting without clutch? I'd imagine that that's the fastest way and the DCT system should have enough sensory input to make it happen.... in theory it could adjust the timing and the revs perfectly every time, no?

Yes, it is like shifting without the clutch. There is a really weird clunking sound when you change gears though. You can hear it in some of the videos. Used to it now, but disconcerting at first. Never heard a bike sound like that when changing gears. Not sure about adjusting the timing and revs perfectly, but it feels that way. Every shift is the same, smooth and seamless.

Today I went to a Fast Bike Magazine launch event at Central World. Bad idea. It wasn't so much not being able to get through the trafffic. It was roasting at the 10 minute red lights. It got so hot at one point that it felt like my d?!k was being burned by the gas tank. I was sure to sit a good distance from the tank for the rest of the day.

Bike was introduced at the BKK motor show. No info on price yet. Imported? Not imported?

No Kawasaki Ninja ZX6R (636) at the Bangkok Motorshow....

I saw it there yesterday. Asked for the price and was told it is not for sale though.

According to a comparison test I was just reading they said the older model with manual gear box was actuall slightly quicker 0-60 and over a 1/4 mile drag race.

Yes obviously this bike has more than enough power there.

However I think my 12 year old hornet 600cc will beat it 0-60 hehehehe after that I'd be chasing his exhaust fumes this is all based on a 0-60 time of 4 seconds for the vrf which I see advertised and is possibly wrong maybe a bit quicker than that I should think.

Yeah, I've seen 0-60 times as low as 2.9 and as high as 4.0. I'm guessing it is somewhere in between, depending on the rider.

On another note, I rode to work through gridlocked traffic today. Kept it in auto and went through it without a problem. Even squeezing between the front/back of cars to switch lanes was a breeze. A heavy bike for sure, but low and balanced enough to make it very easy to control. I'd say it gets through the traffic as easily as my Versys.

Congt. on the new bike Brian.

I saw the video from Almera's post no 32. That bike hits 260 quite easily, impressive, it yours in same "trim" or is there any restrictions on it?

Bloody hell, it made my ex Harley look like something from the 60's, he-he.

Thanks. No restriction, it is full power.

Do you have to drop the revs before you push the button to change gear then or you just push the button no matter the revs,that must feel so strange as jonny f says I can't imagine riding a bike with no clutch or gear lever

Went out for a short ride today. To shift in the manual mode, all you have to do is press the button. You don't have to come off the throttle at all. Pretty fun once you get used to it.

We offer a one year first class policy for the Forza here at Sumet. It is 7,000 baht. Send me a PM if interested. Best of Luck.

Brian

Here are some reviews of other Benelli models. No mention of the 600 though.

i don't think there is a website for parts, but here is A.P. Honda's website. http://www.aphonda.co.th/honda2012/ You could also try the A.P.Honda hotline at 02-725-4000. Best of luck.

Brian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_CCHJq-LVo

Do you have to drop the revs before you push the button to change gear then or you just push the button no matter the revs,that must feel so strange as jonny f says I can't imagine riding a bike with no clutch or gear lever

I believe you just hit the button. I actually kept in auto yesterday. I still need to do some experimentation with the manual mode. It is strange not having a gear and clutch lever. More than one way to skin a cat, I guess. I imagine shifts will be faster and smoother with this DCT system. Here is a video that explains how it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=didcKpf12VA

I've got these ones that I only wore a couple of times. What size are you? I'm looking to sell them.

Have you got any gloves for sale as well Brian to replace his gym gloves!!!

Dainese gear for me but always Sidi boots. Would recommend Frank Thomas gear too, not as showy but well made....

Puma are actually making some lovely boots for Ducati, however the new '13 TCX is awesome but the price tag of 300 quid puts me off but what a cracking looking boot!!

Sorry, no gloves, just the Judge Dredd boots.

I've got these ones that I only wore a couple of times. What size are you? I'm looking to sell them.