irishken

made me laugh

i really dont see why patong is getting gets slated so bad.its no were as bad as pattaya and has easy access to some lovely beaches within 20 minutes each way.

sure suit sellers piss everyone off and tuks tuks are annoying but if you are familiar with thailand then you should be able to brush it off and get on with it. i know i do and can enjoy myself

only time i was ever in patpong all i seen was families with kids and video cameras

On a side note..ThaiAir are doing BKK-LON return in Jan and Feb for 35,000 inclusive of Taxes...considering Air India was in at 32K and BA at 42K, its a pretty good deal

that is nearly 900 euro's. that much to expensive for economy from lon-bkk. i have never used thai international flights and at these prices i wouldn't

you should not get onto a bus worrying is the driver going to crash tonight. you expect to arrive safely. the drivers,owners are at fault for this. its called care of duty and it doesnt seem to be followed by these companies.

its also irresponsible of people to say. oh well,its not your family or nothing new here.

things will not change that way

sounds to me like rich kids living off mammy & daddy

Bit early to be hitting the sauce is it not, its the only reason I can think of for you posting such drivel.

still in work mate. nice quiet day

Lovely thread. If 2 people can find happiness without damaging themselves or others, bless them and all the best.

BTW, the comments about how western women have "burnt" western guys forcing them into the arms of bargirls illustrates why the guys got dumped: It's always someone else's fault. It takes 2 to have a fight and if one looks at some of the losers that saturate the beer bar venues, is it any wonder why the western ladies escaped the clutches of such losers?

The man that can say, hey I found her interesting, and we clicked vs, the man that says the western women forced his hand blah blah blah. Who do you think will end up crying the blues in TVF after his Thai ladyf riend dumps him? Who do you think is probably having a happy life and may actually have a loving relationship?

In any case if you want true love, please visit SCAD Bangkok or SoiDog as they have forever friends waiting for a home.

i got a image of thai girls burnt in my head on my first visit with my ex western gf in 04 lol . when we split up i said i have to go back on my own. but i wasnt dumped. it was very much my decision but in the end it was amicable decision, and went back for fun, not to cover up any pain. and also very true about losers in bars, as i said in previous post that sitting at a bar is becoming painful. good chit chat with nice people is hard to come by

as a woman I am tired of the double standard where men frequenting the trade seems to be quite ok, but choose to attach stigma to the women that provide men the very service they choose to purchase

if you are not judged as the group with the demand for a service, do not criticise those providing the supply.

marry them, date them. OR not. should be left to individual choices that is not subject to ridicule or critique by others. no?

I don't think it is a double standard. If a woman came here saying she'd married a rent boy I'm sure the reaction would be the same. There's a big difference between providing a product or service and buying it.

it is double standards. the worst type of farang is the one who comes to thailand. goes to bars. sleep with the girls and then posts about it on forums and youtube.

bar girls are not a disease like some people like to think

Perhaps not' date=' but result from my survey is that 50% are infested with diseases,

i rest my case

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you have no case to rest. what survey is that? a TV survey or have you got precise figures from thai health department. or have you swabbed or tested all bar girls as nobody knows what the figures are. but again you are missing the point. they dont do it out of want. its necessity

could i ask you what brought you to thailand in the first place?

have you ever had a massage?

good post mate and fair play for having the balls to say it. to be honest i would rather spend my time having fun and a few drinks with bar girls that than having to go trough the normal dating process that happens in your own country. bar girls are not a disease like some people like to think. they dont do it for fun but out of need, perhaps from there parents not being able to give them a proper up bringing and lack of money at home for the parents.

maybe in the future with thai's becoming more educated and seeing what working in a bar does, they will not allow there own children to go such extreme lent to put food on the table.

and would you blame some of the girls for leaving the new farang husband when you see some of these guys they marry. i have seen it myself. once they get to the husbands country the husband becomes a asshol_e and all of a sudden cant look after the parents back in issan. all promises are suddenly broken.

TV members should also realise that this industry for the moment is part of thailand so if they dont like it. fuc_k off and leave

and what woman in the world isn't looking for someone to look after them. if you are standing in a bar or night club in your own country and i beautiful woman asks you " hey what you work at" and your reply is " oh i am unemployed" do you think she will go home with you?.

31000 baht before taxes and charges. thats about 740 euro and then ad ons. i have never paid that much to thailand before flying trough the middle east or with china airlines. i think there high prices are also a factor for the drop in passenger numbers and i can only imagine they will get higher when they update there fleet

and you can already fly from hong kong to bkk with emirates for less than 8000 baht on the a380

are you mad. a mountain climber and you haven't shagged her yet. she must be well fit. lol

but you shouldn't have to put ( not a bar girl) in your description). they don't grow up wanting to be bar girls. they are just like any thai girl.

hope it works out for you

top of my list is maya bay phi. it is totally sold on the basis of a movie. i'm suprised leanardo di caprio is getting royalties from the tour operators when you get there you can not see the water with the amount of speed boats.

although if you go by long tail boat in the evening its breath taking and a great place to relax and have a beer and take in the the amazing views

why does. listening to expats who just complain about the country they live in not make the list .. seriously.

i'm not sure about 1 day as you would have to go back and collect your passport the next day or so. i could not get a visa in hong kong in 1 day. i think it took 3 days for my visa to be processed.

but what i do know is that the chinese embassy in bkk is like a cattle market. i was there last year with my chinese friend and they were so unhelpful to her. we ended up having to pay the agents that hang around outside the embassy to help us which they did through bribes to there connections,

very dodgy

thanks. ill look into this more when i get to phi phi but at least now i have some better info.

thank you

You can not dive safely with no training. Don't try it.

The PADI Discover Scuba Diving program is a one day program that covers the basics of safety and equipment. You will be very closely monitored by a certified PADI professional in calm shallow waters. It is very safe. You do not receive a certification but it can be cedited towards certification later.

thanks for your advice.

i have contacted a dive shop on phi phi and asked the same question and they said ,"sure its safe, we do it everyday". so i just wanted to hear from someone who was not making money at my expense.

i think they give some basic training in a pool and breathing techniques

hi all.

is it safe for a complete novice to go diving without any PADI course. i will be going to Phi Phi in feb 2012 and would like to go diving. i have seen 1 day trips with 2 dives. i dont want to give up 3 days of my holiday to do a course plus leaving my wife on her own wouldn't be very fair. my brother has told me stories about when he lived in the cayman islands that he seen people feeling unwell after diving as they had not done it before.

as my brother has not done anyone diving himself could anyone back this up.

also has anyone ever used a dicapac for there camera. i have done a fair bit of research and they look preety good.

http://www.amazon.co...&pf_rd_i=468294

thanks all.

ken

hi mate. check these out, http://www.chiangmaiservicedapartments.com/ they come highly recommended by both my brother and mate. studio 99 is the name.

agoda link. http://www.agoda.ie/asia/thailand/chiang_mai/studio_99_serviced_apartments.html?type=1&site_id=1410012&url=http://www.agoda.ie/asia/thailand/chiang_mai/studio_99_serviced_apartments.html&tag=55C264F2-BF84-45AB-A856-E00C07DE4888&gclid=CKa-0tuj06oCFQJO4Qod33CTzA

ok...i'm leaning towards Ao Nang...but still searching for the right resort...

I don't want my Vietnamese wife to be uncomfortable. Isn't Phuket full of bargirls and massage parlors?

if you are been put of by bar girls and massage parlours you'll be disappointed to know that Ao Nang has them to but not in as high a number as phuket. as does many of the resorts in south thailand. just keep to yourself and you will be ok

We wake up early and go to bed early so I guess the bars aren't going to be much of an issue anyway. Would you recommend Phuket over Krabi or would you do 4 nights in each place?

i spent a week with my wife on phi phi and loved it. relaxing drinking beer on the beach in the day time with and some excursions like renting long tail boats filled up our time nice and we would just have some nice food at night and relax watching fire shows at night.

i found phi phi better than railay for my wife as there is a better selection of thai food for her as there is more of a thai community on phi phi. we will be returning there for another week in feb next year. so there is more to do than on railay or ao nang in my opinion.

ok...i'm leaning towards Ao Nang...but still searching for the right resort...

I don't want my Vietnamese wife to be uncomfortable. Isn't Phuket full of bargirls and massage parlors?

if you are been put of by bar girls and massage parlours you'll be disappointed to know that Ao Nang has them to but not in as high a number as phuket. as does many of the resorts in south thailand. just keep to yourself and you will be ok

I'm an American, and I'm not confused. It's just not a term that a mature adult would likely find himself using, IMHO.

Well, maybe not by mature adults. But it's a fairly common word used when talking about going out in my experience

nobody ever see TOP GUN, tom cruise needed a WINGMAN

Update: It's now on Youtube: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ORPSzI3hicw (Several parts)

thanks for the upload. good to see fergal keane not going to easy on abhisit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQwppPeiD2k

this was recorded about 1 month ago when river plate, the biggest club in argentina where in a relegation play off.