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On 5/26/2021 at 6:54 PM, Excel said:

Well guess the scaremongering will let rip now. 

Well, he's not the only one, there are more deaths under investigation. 

On 5/27/2021 at 12:50 PM, thailand49 said:

Guess he didn't get the memo that there isn't enough vaccine to go around to the " mass "????

After India vaccinates over one billion of its people with Astra, there will probably be plenty of vaccines available. 

On 5/26/2021 at 11:50 PM, herfiehandbag said:

Ah, I see, and there was silly old me thinking that they were adjusting the plan because they had bungled acquiring/producing, and simply didn't have enough of the stuff...

India Today News reports that India are about to receive a supply of Sputnik from Russia (quantity not yet confirmed).

India was going to produce vaccines for most of the world, they have huge manufacturing capability.

However the Indian outbreak was not built into the equation, so they need all they can make.

On top of all this, vaccine companies are fighting over patent rights which is preventing other countries from manufacturing vaccines.

I sure hope Thailands drug manufacturer has got all this under control as right now supplies of components for Astra are very tight, due to the Indian mass outbreak.

India today is available on IPTV if you want to get an update of what's reported about covid there, it's quite interesting.

On 5/25/2021 at 6:12 PM, wensiensheng said:

Nothing but a publicity stunt. Medically it’s right up there with drinking bleach 

Is Donald Trump in Thailand? 

9 minutes ago, chalawaan said:

In all seriousness, they'll have a mob of Thailands finest doing their version of Samui Vice busting and posing with the thunderstruck/lovestruck pair for all of TV to bicker over. 

They might need to take all the special BMWs to the island for such a big operation, this could leave them seriously short of undercover volleyball players on other beaches. 

Just now, chalawaan said:

She's not local she's from Kolat!

That's okay as long as she is not from Samui. 

1 minute ago, chalawaan said:

This neverending tourism farce is better than anything on Netflix!  Either open up 100% within the bubble, or dont bother.

Only jetset morons or lovestruck sponsors would put themselves through this "welcomlng treatment".

No lovestruck allowed! No contact with local people allowed! 

On 5/25/2021 at 3:33 PM, Chelseafan said:

Great but once again lacking information.

 

How long before I would be allowed on to the main land or is that not an option ?

Do I have to book this as a package? If so, what are the costs ?

Is that one flight a day ? Week? Year ?

Are Bangkok arranging a direct flight from UK ? Paris?  Frankfurt?

 

I appreciate the sentiments but other than those desperate to get back, who is going to take up this offer?

 

 

 

 

So you wait for the results to come in the next day, then the 3 day quarantine comes in, so where do you wait until the next day? 

Then after the wait and 3 days of quarantine you can sit in your hotel until you return to your home country. 

During this time you must not be in contact with any local people 

Special rooms will have a beach view, but walking or standing on the beach will be prohibited, as you may come into contact with the beach vendors, who have all left as they had no customer, long time, and are not allowed to talk to tourists from abroad. 

7 hours ago, Percy P said:

Go to the nearest hospital and register,simple I'm  82. Have no fear. Wear a mask in public ,keep your distance.

If you don't already know, get your vitamin D up high and take zinc and magnesium, plus vitamin C. 

Dr Sircus and other naturopaths say this helps the body to resist infection. When you're older keeping D up is a good thing. 

My GP prescribes it to me and my old mates for free. 

On 5/22/2021 at 1:45 PM, ThailandRyan said:

The caveat being the last sentence in the quote above.

Doses are few and far between, with the schedule as such. 

So when will the vaccines they have on hand run out, as they have to shift the vaccines to ward off the virus in prisons, factories, and such.  Are only Thais in prison, and working in factories getting vaccinated or are they vaccinating all.  The world wants to now.

No need to worry about the prisons, they are locked. 

Interesting, expats rated as low down the list as migrant workers. 

You would think that migrant workers would be jabbed first as most of the spread came from the borders. 

Don't forget the majority of expats over 60,do they get vaccinated with the Thais 60 +. 

So far just over 1% of the population have been vaccinated. 

Organised chaos = LOS. 

18 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

Only 8 AM and the first U turn of the day reported, keep 'em coming we all love a cheer up ???? How is he going to get 70 per cent of Bkk vaccinated in 2 months at this rate?

Doses may be diverted to the people that walked in already and can't leave for a few years. 

But the good news is that they will not have to go to jail for refusing a vaccination. 

On 5/18/2021 at 1:06 AM, KhunBENQ said:

Many.

Want to buy?

Internet is full of fallen tanks. Put on your hard hat ????

And it's not for Gasohol but hydrazine. Very poisonous.

https://www.space-propulsion.com/spacecraft-propulsion/hydrazine-tanks/index.html

Maybe they can recycle this and use it on their moon mission. 

On 5/18/2021 at 9:53 AM, Destiny1990 said:

What is the jail sentence for walking on a beach instead of the pavement right besides it?

They don't want you to get in the shttttt, and catch covid maybe. 

I hear it's detectable in sewerage. 

Maybe some beaches allow people in the water depending on the sewerage situation. 

5 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

As usual when any topic relates to prisons and punishments a lot of posters come along that clearly don't understand what's wrong with the prison system - not just in Thailand but in many countries.

 

People commit crime for a variety of reasons, drugs, poverty, plain stupidity etc. etc. and yes, there are some that are just plain bad.

 

However, before regarding people in prison as less than human and deserving of any misfortune that may befall them whilst they are serving their punishment, people need to ask themselves if prison actually works?  Yes, for some there is no alternative but looking around the world at the growing prison populations - despite very heavy sentences in some countries, you don't have to be Einstein to realise that in a great many cases, prison isn't working.

 

Repeat offending rates are very high and illustrate the inefficacy of simply locking someone up for committing crime.  Ask yourself a question - what do you want from a penal system?  Do you want it to just lock people up for them to come out and continue committing crimes or would you rather they stopped committing those crimes? The USA is a prime example - around 2.3 million people in prison, very heavy sentencing yet crime rates are still high.  Longer sentences are brought in - crime rates still go up so they build more prisons - crazy! Prison, for many, simply doesn't work.

 

Personally, what I want from a penal system is a safer world with less crime. How that is achieved is not my concern but its pretty damned clear the the current system of punishment isn't achieving anything.

 

Many of the people in prison have children - when you sentence someone to prison, you also sentence their family who are innocent.  Its all very well to say they should have thought about their family before they commited their crime, that doesn't help their family.  In countries with a welfare system, it doesn't help the taxpayer either - the people who pay for to the running of prisons and pay for benefits given to the familes prisoners leave behind.

 

When someone is locked up - the sentence is to deprive them of their time - not their health or dignity. In incarcerating someone, the very minimum the penal authority becomes responsible for is an inmate's health.  If someone becomes infected with Covid 19 in prison, the authority has failed in that duty and so becomes an offender itself.

 

As someone pointed out earlier, the rules regarding Covid 19 in Thailand require social distancing,  the wearing of masks, and limited numbers of people gathering in one place - failure to comply is punishable by fines or even imprisonment.  Yet scores of people are thrown into one room without masks or any hope of social distancing in Thailand's jails. Maybe the jailers should be fined or imprisoned?

 

As for an immediate solution to the outbreak in Thailand's prisons, I doubt there is one, its too late.  What they can do however, is to prevent further outbreaks through testing, isolation of new inmates and prisoner movements. The courts could also postpone all but the most serious cases on their lists.

 

Put someone in prison, treat them worse than you'd treat an animal - what do you expect to come out?  A reformed person or any angry human being with an axe to grind?

Right, but not an axe to grind, but a Gun to shoot. 

And the USA situation, they privatised most prisons and made prisoners a 50 cent per hour industry. 

Couple that with crooked judges who send people to jail for petty crimes, and a police force that looks like Darth Vaders army, stepping on throats, and mistaking Tasers for hand guns, and you have anarchy. 

I have a friend who spent 2 years in the Bangkok hilton for being the boyfriend of a government officials daughter, who hated him. 

He said he had to queue for water for hours sometimes from a dribbling tap.

No one knew he was in Jail, he only got out when a social worker got a message to his mother who had to fly to Thailand to bargain for his release. 

They released him and deported him for life. 

That's years ago and conditions don't seem to have changed. 

What's going to happen to these poor prisoners if they get critical and need oxygen treatment and hospitals???? 

Maybe Thailand will have to bury them on a special island banned from the public, just like New York. 

On 5/17/2021 at 10:38 PM, robblok said:

Does that mean other prisons don't have it. The number of inmates in total is quite low I thought the total population in Thai prisons was far higher. Does that mean no checks in other prisons or no cases.

1...Mr Prayut should issue orders to lock all prisons down .

2. Save money don't bother testing as they will all have it.

3. Release all the non serious offenders, as long as they work in the fishing industry for free. 

This will mean they will know where the Covid spread came from and eliminate the threat of variant strains coming in from Myanmar 

21 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

The prisons are like bombs ready to explode. 

Social distancing is not a requirement in Thai prisons. 

And is, not possible. If you have seen pictures in the media. 

However, if you refuse vaccination in Buriram you can be imprisoned, 

This will probably guarantee that you will infected and Som Num Na, for not listening. 

2 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

Which supplies arrived earlier than expected? More useless Sinovac?

That's the question, which 

Vaccine has arrived? 

By arriving, does this mean imported and what's the brand name?

It seems that ASTRA production may be a while off. 

India has to get going on production of Astra, and components are in short supply. 

It seems that the Astra vaccine will be the third world's main vaccine. 

Those in Buriram, it seems will be prosecuted if they refuse vaccination if offered a vaccine. 

New Zealand who have Covid at bay at present, and have opened a travel bubble with Australia, and soon the cook islands are using the Pfizer version and will not make vaccination compulsory. 

It would be a violation of human rights to imprison people for refusing to be vaccinated. 

However the world might change that in the future. 

1 hour ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

There is a lot of people who do not die from COVID, but there are also lots of them who have side effects

for a long time, and it is all ages that get the long lasting side effects.  Everyone is happy that COVID is not as deadly as Ebola.

  Most of us do not want to catch COVID to see what our outcome will be.  I hope that a lot of Thais get their shots by December.

That is when I will seriously decide if I will go to Thailand after January 2022, but more likely I will wait until November 2022

before I venture out on an international flight anywhere.

Geezer

  

Quite right, I and many friends, and mostly over 60,here stuck in NZ after coming home for Xmas are now debating whether to get vaccinated and run the gauntlet. 

Both a big decision. 

17 hours ago, bdenner said:

What sort of medication is Anutin giving all these jokers, I want some!

It's called, Drift,    Drift and Dream

3 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

This Government is pathetic, why oh why is it taking so long to roll out the Moderna vaccine, 

Oh forgot, there's more kick back if they use the Sinovac or AZ vaccine, the leaders should be ashamed of themselves... 

It's quite possible that they thought they would have a smooth run and be producing Astra full swing by now. 

India has thrown a spanner in the works and is not producing it full swing yet, and component supply is said to be a problem. 

Then Complications with Astra, only add to this. 

No one was prepared for the massive Indian outbreak, so many politicians got caught with their pants down. 

Helen Clarke, United Nations said political bad management has allowed the virus to spread hugely in many countries. 

Source RNZ news. 

So vaccinating 70% of the population in certain areas of LOS in time for the big opening may be a big ask. 

They may have to get supplies from other producers, Russia has offered to help and has donated vaccine to India. 

The politicians and lobbyists are now at it full time bickering over who gets what and whose pockets are filled. The WHO says they should be united to fight this. 

My guess is it's never going to happen. 

Meantime Israel and Palestine don't seem to be worried about corona virus, quite content to blow each other up during a pandemic. 

Arms manufacturers and their customers worldwide are at it full swing, their customers blowing each other up, with no concerns about corona virus, or vaccination it seems. 

This means that wars take priority over the pandemic. 

Big money to be made from the fireworks suppliers, and they seem to have more clout than the United Nations, WHO or any President or PM of any country. 

19 hours ago, ezzra said:

All that it can be said is that A lot of water will flow in the Mekong river between now and the first of October...

They will have the  country open then to vaccinated tourists, in certain areas where they have vaccinated 70% of the population. 

Question? what vaccine will they use, I don't think Astra will be in full production by then, you may never know, after all they will be able to put men on the moon soon. 

28 minutes ago, JoinMeInDeath said:

 

Wow. Does every country distribute an impossible to forge vaccination certificate with every 2nd shot? 

I wonder if you can order them on the net from Khaoson Rd??

7 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

My friends/family in the UK have said AZ vaccine is used for older generation 50+ as they seem to have a stronger immune system and don' t get complications, the younger generation are getting Pfizer.

Thailand it's going to be AZ or nothing by the look of things.

Unfortunately, this may happen more often.

What remains to be seen is what will happen when and if Astra is mass produced in India and Thailand.

14 hours ago, Shuya said:

What will they be allowed to do? Stay inside the hotel room 24 hours a day, by themself, not drinking alcohol, not meeting anyone and eating krapaow to prevent covid? That island is dead.

I dont know! maybe, they can play with TAG girls, sunbathe, eat raw prawns and som tum?

I sure hope they don't catch covid from a Burmese beach worker, as catching covid whilst vaccinated is a factually happening, although they say you don't get very sick.

Then upon their return home they ,(if testing positive or not for c19) will most likely be required to complete 14 days quarantine in their home country, and di di di---- wait for it----pay for it at their own expense.

Lets see

Airfare 2k quid (covid special fare)

Hotel 50k Baht with discount.

Food on the beach 5000 Baht

accessories 30,000 Baht

Quarantine 2k quid

Maybe end up at 6k quid for 2 weeks on the beach and two weeks at home in quarantine.

Whoppee I think I will fly down to Rio.