maxme

God Mikemac, I took you for a smarter one. Read through my posts. Where did I defend her and stop deflecting. The current administration is as corrupt if not worse than the previous one. I hate to think any westerner that have enjoyed the freedom and privilegies of democracy would support autocracy.

What evidence is there that the current administration is worse than the previous one?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/10/thailands-economy

You can cheer your self-empowered administration all you want. Fact is that sooner or later the dominos will fall.

Still whybother, I can answer yours if you and your lot stop dancing around and answer my question.

What has the current administration done that tops the previous ones. And I'm not only talking about PTP. So let's have it...

That's a pretty pathetic cop out.

I'm not going to answer that question because I have never suggested anything of the sort, one way or the other.

You've stated that the current government is more corrupt. A link talking about a scrappy economy is not evidence of corruption.

If you're going to make a statement like that, how about backing it up with something.

You had only the rice scheme and a few clumsy statements from the former PM and that's a better reason? Poor debating skills on your part.

God Mikemac, I took you for a smarter one. Read through my posts. Where did I defend her and stop deflecting. The current administration is as corrupt if not worse than the previous one. I hate to think any westerner that have enjoyed the freedom and privilegies of democracy would support autocracy.

What evidence is there that the current administration is worse than the previous one?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/10/thailands-economy

You can cheer your self-empowered administration all you want. Fact is that sooner or later the dominos will fall.

Still whybother, I can answer yours if you and your lot stop dancing around and answer my question.

What has the current administration done that tops the previous ones. And I'm not only talking about PTP. So let's have it...

If this happens in the next five years, it will be the dawn of a new era in Thailand. That insiders and backhanders and crooked politicians will be held financially responsible for the losses they cost/caused is a pipe dream. I think the good PM is starting to believe his on rhetoric. I continue hope for the best and expect the worse and am rarely disappointed.

Good grief, even blind people have better perception of how Thai politics works than the junta goon squad. One of the reasons I've avoided you is that you are not exactly color blind and leans too much towards the yellow. But now I'm really curious about what makes you think that the former general can succeed where others have failed. Especially since he has no degree in political or analytical science nor any other form of necessary education needed to run a company less a country.

....................'Especially since he has no degree in political or analytical science nor any other form of necessary education needed to run a company less a country."........................

Yingluck got away with it...................almost............just about.............kinda................sort of................practically.................

It's like a broken record with you guys. Where did I mention she did a splendid job? But I know you have a problem at focusing at the issue or topic at hand. A way to deflect a real answer. An answer you don't have.

So I'll ask again, what has he accomplished and how is any better than the other failures that once claimed the PM chair?

If this happens in the next five years, it will be the dawn of a new era in Thailand. That insiders and backhanders and crooked politicians will be held financially responsible for the losses they cost/caused is a pipe dream. I think the good PM is starting to believe his on rhetoric. I continue hope for the best and expect the worse and am rarely disappointed.

Evidence , please show us some evidence that they are not guilty, its hardly a surprise that Myanmar found them to be innocent.....

Pathetic attempt to grasp the straws

The most likely of scenarios... Bah!

thaksin's culpability in the thousands of murders that occured during his "war on drugs" campaign would be my number one reason for apprehending him

I know It's hard for some kids to grasp the pronunciation difference between tree and three but really... Nation reporters, you SHOULD know the difference in writing at least

What are you referring to in the OP?

It's a bad morning. Felt like blaming someone for it. Read the headline wrong. My bad...

I know It's hard for some kids to grasp the pronunciation difference between tree and three but really... Nation reporters, you SHOULD know the difference in writing at least

Maxme, a nationality is not a race, and rape / violence against women is fairly common in Myanmar.

It doesn't mean that such commonality has any bearing on the case in question, but it is factual.

So is it in Thailand but because the law is, commonly known, not enforced here there aren't enough women that report it, in fear of retaliation and be shunned off. So that statement was a cheap ploy to deal with the real criticism.

Thailand actually keeps and publishes crime statistics.

The truth is we don't know the background of the defendants yet. That background would be admissible in court in Thailand.

"They keep and publish the crime statstics." I wish I knew where your conviction of that Thai justice system is transparent, comes from. It's fairly obvious now that there is no way for you to deter from your unhealthy belief in the law enforcement in Thailand. If you saw it from a more objective point of view it would be an interesting debate we could engage in alas that seems not to be the case nor will it be in the future.

You are conflating again. Were we not talking about rape and crime?

Oh sorry, I thought we were talking about justice. You know, innocent until proven guilty, fairness to all and all that other nonsense.

Maxme, a nationality is not a race, and rape / violence against women is fairly common in Myanmar.

It doesn't mean that such commonality has any bearing on the case in question, but it is factual.

So is it in Thailand but because the law is, commonly known, not enforced here there aren't enough women that report it, in fear of retaliation and be shunned off. So that statement was a cheap ploy to deal with the real criticism.

Thailand actually keeps and publishes crime statistics.

The truth is we don't know the background of the defendants yet. That background would be admissible in court in Thailand.

Maxme, a nationality is not a race, and rape / violence against women is fairly common in Myanmar.

It doesn't mean that such commonality has any bearing on the case in question, but it is factual.

And we can talk separately about what the definition of racism is as you and I have totally different opinion about that.

As does Thailand does it not?

It does but it also runs a lottery type of systems too my brother in law was a lucky number and didn't have to do his national service he stayed in his normal work place.

One also is not known globally for widespread use of rape with impunity as a weaon and control tool

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS582US582&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=burma+rape

You really should take a step back, digging a hole for yourself here with your raciest views

Clear you don't understand what a race is nor the meaning of racism but it serves well to distract your own mind?

No I concur, it was quite racist so I advise you to retract that statement.

Not only are you way off the mark but now you seem pretty desperate as you resort to bigoted and vile remarks to slander a whole nation. And Thais can hardly claim the moral high-ground when it comes to abuse and rape

Why?

Why do you give a crap about what other people think? The case has nothing to do with you , and doesnt effect you....... Unless you have vested interests and "friends" who are the focus of unwanted attention. Most people want justice to be seen and a fair trial, but you ?

You are on some kind of moral crusade and my gut instinct tells me your a lot closer to this case and Koh Tao people of influence. Doesn't bother me if you were the owner of the AC bar or Nomsod himself, but the thing is most people don't get that wound up about something that they have zero connection to.

You and the other musketeers are just too " convenient " and orchestrated too, taking it in turns to post, and dismissing everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with your logic and POV.

Instead if getting pissed off with the constant theories and speculation how about simply respecting that other opinions that are not in line with yours?

I think your full of it, but I respect your opinions

Didnt you post earlier About going into battle when discussing stuff here? Errrrr it's not a war sunshine, it's an Internet forum where people discuss And debate, and if these posters wind you up so much, why don't you simply stop responding?

You can't that's why, you just can't ignore what's being said, you can't take a step back and ignore the CTs you just cant help trying to belittle them, that's not the actions of a person who has no connections to the Island or the people there.

These are the actions of someone very much with an agenda.

Well, I must inform you that your gut instinct is way off the mark, if you are using the same gut instinct in deciding who are the "real" murderers you should reconsider and instead of using your gut use your brain.

I already explained why I give a crap, do try and pay attention to what you answer to instead of closing your eyes and just going with what your "gut instinct" tells you.

Now, once more, because you guys seem very slow in the uptake: I do not have any connection with Koh Tao, the headman or anyone living there. Got it?

Weren't you part of Suthep's cheerleading squad?

controversial scene had been edited out even before it was reported by the media earlier this week.

Rubbish it was withdrawn after. Back peddling with lies. Why not just say sorry, we were wrong and have fixed the problem?

Look at the massive loss of face if having to admit that something wrong wasn't spotted and stopped before it was made public and caused a reaction.

Of course the scene was edited out before the media were on it couldn't have happened any other way.

At least the problem is resolved. I don't really see that persuing the matter further would be helpful. Allow them to retreat with a modicum of dignity, you know how things work here.

If this Military Junta and the P.M had one ounce of diplomacy between them then they would be making a public apology to Israel and the Ambassador who made it publically known they were hurt and offended by Thailand.

Yea but for them to understand diplomacy they would have to have a decent education first. Which I doubt the lot of them have.

with all due respect Sir, its the only way at the moment, any other way will ultimately lead to the same problems as in the past. we are starting to get direction now,

The method of election didn't cause the problems. And really, how would the result be different? The 2011 election would have still most likely seen Yingluck directly elected as PM and PTP in government. How would it fix anything?

Pretty sneaky but there it is nontheless

i have never heard a thai say : 'dumb farang'

but ive seen farangs say : dumb thai' one million times on this forum

whos the racist?

I cant count the number of times ive seen and heard farangs trying to teach a thai person to do something the way they are use to doing it. Seems like some type of farang sickness.

White people come here after a lifetime of being the majority in theyre home country. Then they experience what its like to be the minority when they get to thailand.

It works both ways, but experiencing being the minority is something new to me.

I'm from the UK where a lot of immigrants, indian, eastern european etc.. are generally looked down on or plain hated by certain sections of society, and it's not unusual for a lot of the (mainly working class) people there to make some racist comments or worse. It's a sad state of affairs but not uncommon as many will tell you. Personally I've always been anti-racist and often had a word with mates or people who would make off-hand comments or just be racist dicks in general, people are people, but maybe thats why I find it a little difficult to adjust to life here.

Here I've heard plenty of farang this or farang that comments, got plenty of horrible looks, my Mrs is Thai and occasionally says something bad in Thai to someone and when I ask what it was all about she'll tell me she overheard them saying horrible stuff about 'the farang'. I'm not a Chang vest, beer in hand idiot either, just going about my business quietly.

To say there's no racism here is pure naivety. But as said, it's everywhere, not just here.

Ridercnx makes a good point. I too have run into many more racist farangs in Thailand than racist Thais. Perhaps it is you who's being naive...or in denial.

@Berkshire, it's all about where you live. When I lived down in the south I met more unpleasant foreigners than locals, in Bangkok it seems to be the opposite but then again it also have to do with where in the city you live.

What is certain is that there are both nasty westerners as there are locals.

Your running away is duly noted. Thank you.

Obviously the average Somchai, despite not having graduated, have more common knowledge than you sir.

Another choice for you to consider Bangkok Smile Dental.

I think you misunderstood.

Personally I tend to ignore any poll in Thailand whether done now, last year or whenever. The most common element of polls here seems the 'scientific approach' of "let's ask some questions"

Oh, ok....haha......Yeah, I agree. Polls can indeed be done scientifically, but I guess I was trying to point out that in the current situation.....it still would not mean much.

I disagree in the sense that I think all polls here don't mean much.

The added spice of a coup and Martial Law still doesn't prohibit people to answer questions in an anonymous poll. Following your reasoning either the results and poll would be buried when not to the liking of the NCPO or results prepared in advance would be published.

That is absolutely not true. It is a proven fact that people self sensor, even anonymously, in times of fear and oppression.

................................."in times of fear and oppression."...............................

What drama queen ! In times of fear and oppression ? Do you write short stories for a living ?

All I can say is the people in Chiang Mai are either very strong and brave, or they don't read newspapers, watch tv, listen to the radio, or own computers because I have not seen one person there shaking in their boots, and the people I have spoken to about the junta don't have any problems with it.

Fear and oppression my ass ! These anal quotes come from the "Little Red book of Propaganda".

Nope from people living in the city, seeing the daily travesties of an oppressing regime and not cowering in the mountains.

Bangkok is the only place that matters to the elites whether they are red or yellow so you wouldn't notice too much if you weren't here.

Credit to (https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy)

STATEMENTS FROM FAMILY OF KOH TAO CASE VICTIMS

Both families call for a 'fair and transparent' trial for the accused and justice to be done in the case. It's an important beneficial statement that also supports the work the defense team are doing here in Thailand. Our aim is to ensure a fair trial and justice in the case.

Here are the statements from both Familys .... https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10152642326445677&id=675065676&ref=bookmark

"It's an important beneficial statement that also supports the work the defense team are doing here in Thailand. Our aim is to ensure a fair trial and justice in the case." Quote

To all the posters here having a go at the "conspiracy theorists" on this thread, try to read the above slowly!!

If the parents really had faith in the RTP, I doubt very much, they would be supportive of the defense team!!

They are simply being polite!!

By supporting the defense, they are really saying, that they don't believe in the evidence presented by the RTP!!

Do you have no shame? All of us can read the entire statement, taking it out context to perpetuate what they are specifically asking not be done is just downright shameful.

Edit: And like much of the conspiracy theorist and theories like the above -- it is just dishonest based on the entirety of their statements. You are actually trying to say their statement says " they don't believe in the evidence presented by the RTP!"

Again I say, shameful.

Where do they state they are confident that the RTP have the right culprits and why was the statement issued on their behalf and mot by them directly?

I'm willing to bite the sour apple, if we hear this directly from the British investigators or parents.

If they do have the right culprits then I'm happy for the families but I doubt anyone here would ever trust Thai authorities where face matters more than transparency and justice.

It's only natural to express doubt to a rotten and archiac system.

You're insinuations are outright ludicrous and highly inappropriate, but this could be because you never have been a very good student, possibly dyslectic or otherwise impaired, or simply never bothered to pay much attention in class. Nevertheless, here's part of Hannah's family's statement once more:

"UK detectives travelled to Thailand last month to observe and review the murder case of our precious Daughter Hannah, and also that of David Miller. We would like to thank the officers who travelled to Thailand to review the case and the Royal Thai Police for facilitating their visit.

Since their return we have been able to meet with these officers together with our family liaison officers to learn about the investigation. There is a great deal of detail and vast areas of investigative work which has been shared with us. We respect the need for such detail not to be shared publically before Royal Thai Police start their trial process.

We would like to stress that as a family we are confident in the work that has been carried out into these atrocious crimes and want to remind both press and public that they do not have the full facts to report and make comment on at this stage. Current news reporting is causing undue distress to our family.

We ask as a family, as we have throughout, that we are afforded privacy and that Hannah and David are afforded their dignity during this time of immense pain and difficulty.

Our thoughts, as always, are with the Miller family. Together we stand united and focused on seeing a fair and transparent trial process to bring about justice for our beautiful children.

THE FAMILY OF HANNAH WITHERIDGE

The family of David Miller say they are united in their grief with the Witheridge family and also back the police investigation"

May I suggest that the administrators heed the family's request to respect their privacy ",and that Hannah and David are afforded their dignity during this time of immense pain and difficulty" and therefore filter out the hideous comments on this thread, or better even, call an end to it altogether.

Wow, half of your post was filled with rant and personal attacks and the other half of it you posted the said statement and didn't point out exactly where my statement was wrong.

May I suggest a more sensible approach next time you try to attack a poster. Obviously at your school they didn't teach you logical thinking or common sense.