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Great idea. No vote until after the deadbeats in the Bentstate are gone. Prayuth's reign of terror will go down as the biggest disaster in the history of Thailand. No wait. The history of Thailand and Siam.

Yes, MFP needs to refer this to the CC ASAP. But they don't seem very interested. Maybe they will eventually. They need some real strong, experienced parliamentarians in their party. Pita is sadly just getting his butt kicked from here to wherever. It's a pity Chuwit isn't on the board, so to speak! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuwit_Kamolvisit A CV to die for! He could probably empty the Bentstate overnight with his research team's revelations. But I agree, the speaker looks sadly out of his depth. If he was put there for exactly that reason, it has hopelessly backfired. Som nam na! They need a real strong man or woman to stand up to the Senators and the anti MFP MPs. Wokenote Chances of a woman getting the job, with only 5% in the parliament, the lowest anywhere in ASEAN I believe, are remote.

Here's a tv screen shot put up very soon after the election of 3 possible variations. You can discount the first. The second is without MFP. The 3rd is without MFP and PT. If you can't read Thai, sorry, but it's a woke requirement.

Looks just the ticket!

You've made several errors in your comment. There were intense negotiations over the speakership if you remember. PT wanted it in exchange for backing Pita for PM. But MFP wasn't having it, so there was deadlock, until this guy, an apparent neutral, as is proper, got nominated and accepted by all. That was the furore I was talking about. And it did initially look heartening, to me at least, that the parties managed to overcome their differences in a civilized manner. I think PT got the deputy speaker position in exchange, IIRC. I agree he doesn't in hindsight look up to the job. He got bullied into allowing an obviously loaded vote on Pita's second nomination, but has already been taken to task for that. There's a remedy which neither PT nor MFP seem to be interested in taking up. Hopeless.

The details of the proposed amendment have been published. Anybody who thinks this is all part of a conspiracy to overthrow democracy is a complete fool.

A very good question. And when? How will it be adopted? Where are the laws relating to drawing up and implementing a new constitution?

Same in any democracy. In fact, in any political system. You appoint the guy who's going to do what you want, or who at least is a party member. What seemed heartening about his appointment was, it overcame the political differences the parties have. A consensus was arrived at between all members of the house. Quite an achievement if you think back to the furore over his appointment.

Sure, he made the wrong decision in opening up the debate on Pita's renomination to a rigged, doomed, vote. But it was MFP's part to lodge an objection if their lawyers (they have got a legal team, right?), had been awake and on the ball and knew their stuff. That a right wing conservative lawyer who helped write the 2017 constitution that set up the Bentstate, had to step in to point out the vote was completely unconstitutional and the coalition parties should imnediately petition the CC to have the whole farce deleted, says a lot about the coalition's ill preparedness and overall naivete. Incompetence even. If they don't know how to fight, what hope is there? Even now, they're not going to go to the CC. Door mats! And see the article "Speaker defends second Pita vote" in an unlinkable source. The coalition has a DUTY to take this to the CC as otherwise it will form a precedent.

Good point. It's been targeted with a massive misinformation campaign by certain powerful actors in the senate as being disloyal, seditious, and an attempt to overthrow democracy. It's nothing of the sort. Simply an amended version, copies of which have been widely distributed for anyone to read, and which would have to be debated and voted on by the lower house. Not much chance of getting it through without a house majority in any event. But it terrifies the old lags in the Senate. They don't get to vote on parliamentary business, apart from the rare instances like this one, so they can't control what goes on there on a daily basis.

If PT has the support of MFP, it will be unacceptable to the Senate. They've already said, no MFP involvement. Can't see how parliament can keep functioning in that case. It's completely unconstitutional. The coalition should petition the CC to stop the Senate meddling in the lower House's affairs. That isn't their remit. Sure, they unfortunately get to vote, but that's the end of it. They don't get to set policy, vet members or any of the other actions they're crossing boundaries to do. Way out of order. But Thailand seems devoid of any procedures to prevent this happening. Where are the checks and balances that work in the people's favour, not just the elitist hysterical screaming queens in the Senate?

So 224 (to escape the censors) wasn't the only issue? No, the hate campaign and the disinformation campaign unconstitutionally and libellously run by the Senate against Pita and the MFP maybe had something to do with it. And PT's notable absence of any support for certain MFP policies. If they're that chicken, they're not fit for government IMHO. You dump your friends at the first sign of trouble. You wouldn't want to go into battle with that lot, now would you? Join the rest of the yellow bellies.

I've never ever seen an election held with such obvious disinformation and hate campaigns as this one. The attacks on Pita and his party by some rogue lawyers, serial petitioners et al are mind boggling. He's out to overthrow democracy (as junta-appointed Senator and businessman Seree Suwanpanont remarked, “It’s clear that this operation is aiming to overthrow [the monarchy]. How can we, the senators, support you to do this?”); then "Move Forward’s persistence on Article 112 has been matched by equal conservative resistance, with dual challenges from Thailand’s Constitutional Court, arguably a defender of conservative interests, on grounds of lèse-majesté and a petition filed by conservative activist Theerayut Suwankesorn." And then there's serial petitioner, aka vexatious litigant, Ruangkrai Leekitwattana gleefully waving his sheaf of petitions and share certificates, and threatening anyone backing Pita with a suit of malfeasance. This is just a dirty war they are waging. I really hope it comes back to bite them. Hopefully one day, Pita will be able to sue THEM for defamation and massive damages. They've kept him out of office, and his party out of government . What's that worth? https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/politics/40029504 https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/pita-touches-the-third-rail-of-thai-politics/

Jumping the gun slightly, aren't we? First off, Pita I believe has been urged to file a case stating his disbarring from being renominated was unconstitutional. This advice came from at least one of the lawyers who wrote it the 2017 constitution. See Borwornsak Uwanno in the BP. Second, the case against him for holding shares in a media company brought by Ruangkrai Leekitwattana has yet to be ruled on. Third, the case against him brought by Theerayut Suwankesorn, accusing him of trying to overthrow the constitutional monarchy under section 49 has similarly yet to be heard. My advice? Counter sue for defamation in at least 2 of these cases!

Anutin has refused to work with MFP. Som nam na.

Apologies for the capitalization. Not meant as shouting.

Follow up. You're certainly right in some respects though. Borwornsak Uwanno, a co-drafter of the 2017 Constitution, was educated in part in Paris and Nanterre, and boy, did he come back to shaft the Thai public. But he seems to have had a crisis of conscience and is now one of several Thai constitutional lawyers who are saying the vote against Pita's renomination was unconstitutional. Completely out of order, in other words, and just another glaring example of parliamentary bulldozing/strongarm tactics.

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Yes, with socks on. Cute.

Hey, not so fast Mr Speaker, MFP has a point of order. The vote taken was unconstitutional. Please check back to Planet Earth ASAP.

Seems my copy's out of date. "Rules of Procedure of the House of Representatives B.E. 2562 (2019) -------------------------------------------- By virtue of section 128 of the Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand, B.E. 2562 (2019), the House of Representatives hereby issues the Rules of Procedure of the House of Representatives as follows: Rule 41 Rule 41 In the case where the Speaker decides that the complaint and supporting explanations are under Rule 39, he shall carry out the publication of the explanations by notifying it at the precinct of the House in order to be inspected by the public within the period of seven days and also publish the explanations in other method as he thinks it is appropriate." Er, hello? Any update on this? Hello? Tap tap tap. Is this thing working? "The party to the first part shall hereinafter be called the party to the first part." Groucho Marx, genius.

I don't believe there should have been a vote on this. How extraordinarily crass of the coalition to allow it to go ahead. The Speaker should have ruled on it. It wasn't a parliamentary motion. It was the resubmission of a PM candidate, parliamentary procedure. https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/politics/40029285 "However, The Constitution does not restrict the number of times a PM candidate can be put forward for a vote."

Impossible to prove something will never ever happen, and futile. But look at it another way. Why isn't there then a clause in the requirements section of the Thai civil service qualifications requirements sheet that says: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL A WEALTHY THAI CANDIDATE WITH AN OVERSEAS EDUCATION BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS POST. THE REASON BEING, HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED NOT TO SCREW THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THE THAI PUBLIC. APPLICATIONS FROM WEALTHY THAIS EDUCATED SOLELY IN THAILAND ARE WELCOME. Bank details to follow. Yeah, the hell he can!

No, it's unelected. They're selected by a panel of military top brass. The more I read, the more it takes my breath away. Smirking Prayuth seems to have had it away on his toes. Anyone seen him lately?

I would also challenge the legality of Senators rejecting MFP's nomination on the basis of their proposal to modify 112. They are not supposed to take sides or be involved in party policy. Yet many have openly stated they would veto any coalition candidate one of whose constituent members proposed even amending 112. It's blatant interference. Gerrymandering. Call it what you will. It's not legal!