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I'm not too lazy. Of course to say you're too lazy is just an excuse. An excuse which is acceptable to many. Not to me, though. It is what it is. an excuse. So you claim that I am dismissing your precious Karma. And that I contradict myself. Then read my above quote. Where's the denial that Karma doesn't exist? Or is it your belief which then leads you to interpret "as supposed" to mean "doesn't exist?" It's a fair question, isn't it? ". . . when in fact, that's one of the most important part of the Seth teachings." What?!?!?! How in the world do you arrive at that conclusion? Let's see here . . . You admit you've never read any of Seth's works . . . only perused a few quotes. But then you make the claim that Karma is a cornerstone of Seth's explanation as to who we are and what the true nature of reality is? Lordy, lordy. My most accurate assessment is that you have concluded Seth is bunk because you're too lazy to investigate it thoroughly and objectively and now you're on a personal mission to prove yourself correct to everyone? Again, despite the fact that you've never read any Seth and even still, knowing that you don't know anything about Seth, claim to know what Seth is all about. You're writing a critique on a book you've never read. A movie you've never watched. Perhaps you are the false prophet here? It's a fair question, isn't it?

Always remember, folks. Opinions are good!! Just don't pretend to know anything.

One thing that can be said about me is that I am not milk toast. I actually love to stir the pot! To get people to start using their noodles in ways they don't even suspect. It's a good antidote for boredom, too. Controversy is a good thing. And good controversy leads more often than not to confrontation. It's all good.

Let me ask you, save the frogs, do you believe yourself capable of discerning what's true from what's not? Or do you believe you could easily be misled by a false prophet? When you go through the day's news do you resort to fact checkers to tell you what the truth is? Sunmaster talks of his BS detector. I've got one, too. The BS detector is nothing more than common sense. One clue that someone is full of BS is when your common sense makes you aware of contradictions. Contradictions are always a wonderful tell. When Seth speaks of simultaneous time, for instance, that may appear to you to be a contradiction. But it's not a case of Seth contradicting himself as he speaks more often in terms of time. But he must relate to who he is talking to in order for it to make sense to them. Which happens to be us humans whose experience revolves largely around the experience of time as consecutive moments. Now you may consider simultaneous time to be a contradiction to your experience. And it is. What needs to be understood is that it's only a seeming contradiction that's forced to appear so because you are immersed in a reality in which the experience of time exists for us as it does. It should be understood that the key take away, or the key understanding to be had, is that time is only . . . only . . . something that is experienced as such and such or so and so. Seth explains what time is and why we experience it as we do . . . one moment following another with each passing moment seemingly fading into what we call the past . . . in great detail. He also explains why we do not perceive the future, despite the fact that the future exists now. He goes much further to explain the relationships and interactions between our perceived past, present and future. He describes in great detail why and how our experience of time is what it is. The fact that our very biology is geared towards the experience of one moment forever following another moment. Now he also points out a fascinating fact. A fact which you can easily verify yourself. Despite the "fact" that per our experience there exists past, present and future our experience is always in the present moment and never outside of it. We find that we are always operating in what Seth calls the spacious now. There is nothing other than NOW. Time is in the truest sense, therefore, an illusion. I've had quite vivid dreams of future events which then occurred. Now if our limited explanations of time as we understand it were true then it would be an impossibility for anyone to see the future before it happens since the future doesn't exist yet. What you are struggling with is the "fact" that simultaneous time seems to be a direct contradiction to your experience of time. And that alone is what makes the idea appear to be false to you. Or ludicrous as it flies in the face of your experience and understanding and even more importantly your beliefs about what is true or not. Once it's understood that ours is merely one way of experiencing time then it all makes perfect sense. Another clue that time is more than what our usual definition defines it to be . . . clock time . . . is when time seems to speed up or slow down for us. I'm sure everyone has experienced that at one time or another. That experience, though, despite having validity, can always be dismissed as perhaps a psychological phenomenon that isn't real by those refuse to consider any other idea than that which they believe to be true . . . and believe to be the only "truth." Now this dovetails perfectly into that which is exactly what I've been saying here now forever. Beliefs are ideas which are subscribed to and held to be "true" by those subscribing to the belief. The belief is no longer considered a belief about reality but a condition, or fact, about reality. You, my dear save the frogs, believe in past, present and future as conditions of reality and therefore true. There can, then, be nothing else that is true. And so when confronted with an idea which challenges your belief as to your accepted "truth" you quite naturally dismiss this contrary idea as false. Beliefs, therefore create one's reality. The magician's illusion here is precisely that. Whatever one believes to be true is for all intents and purposes true. And since the belief creates the experience and the experience it creates therefore reinforces the belief in a never ending cycle then once it is understood what creates the illusion one can finally understand it and use beliefs consciously to create what they want rather than creating by using beliefs in an unconscious manner. For as long as folks have beliefs which they believe to be true, beliefs which again are thought to be conditions of reality rather than beliefs about reality, it will never, ever occur to them to question the validity of their beliefs, for the "truth" of their beliefs is exactly that which prevents them from doing so. And so they will create their lives, their experience, by default through not examining the beliefs they hold. I am poor is a belief. I am wealthy is a belief. Each belief creates the corresponding experience which matches the belief. The experience reinforces the "truth" of the belief. The belief is taken as a condition of reality, not as a belief about reality. Being poor will be the only "truth" for the person who subscribes to it and holds it. And to suggest there are indeed other "truths" is then seen as nonsense, or an attempt to mislead, perhaps by a false prophet. Do you begin to see what's happening here, save the frogs? Once it becomes apparent it is so self evident that trying to deny it as like trying to deny the nose on one's face. That is why I claim to know rather that say things like, "Well, I think so and so to be true," or "What my experience hath shown me is so and so," or "What I believe is this and that," or "What I've found to be true is this," etc. I know what I know is true, is bedrock reality, and I am not afraid to say that I know. I'm not playing that game of pretending to not really know when I do know any longer. And for the simple and only reason being that folks can't accept that people can know what bedrock reality is. Say you can never know and so it shall be. You will never know.

Brilliant. You look at a few quotes without even considering their fuller context and then immediately conclude that it's all rubbish. Zero patience in attempting any understanding. Simply brilliant there, save the frogs. Well done!! Let's look at just the first quote: “Suffering is not good for the soul, unless it teaches you how to stop suffering. That is its purpose.” Not true? Rubbish? What's he saying there? Can you put it in your own words? Rephrase it? Can you explain what is untrue about it? Can you provide your own explanation for why suffering in the world exists? What's your theory of the case? And how would your theory work as a practical application? How do you handle the suffering in the world? What do you make of it? How many seconds did it take for you to conclude there's no value in that statement and that it's meaningless? So many questions. Will you answer them one by one? Or is your time limited? Now if I were to say you lack patience and do not at all attempt any true understanding by pondering upon the statement for a greater length than a split second some might accuse me of stating my opinions. Unjustly so, too. And point out that it's problematic for me to do so. Yet is it an opinion or is it an accurate assessment? If someone were to say of the drunk passed out mid morning on a park bench that he drinks too much would that be a judgmental opinion or an accurate assessment? Does the truth ever hurt? Questions. More questions. And ever more questions. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VLOm4_559UI/TL7wqx9XF7I/AAAAAAAABe4/XetoXVg4bao/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/mybrainisfull.jpg

"cult leader may be over the top." Over the top to ludicrousness? I think that's the perception of most here. "but there is such a thing as being too pushy with one's ideas." Different strokes for different folks. There are folks who actually engage in the ideas I present. They find them intriguing and are eager to know more. They are curios people. They desire to know. They have the patience required to know. They naturally avoid all of the many pitfalls which serve as barricades for others. I understand full well that understanding does not come easily at times, and certainly not always quickly. As with many things, it requires persistence. Only those who have heard enough then deem that persistence to be pushiness. "and especially if those ideas are not that sound, it could be a problem." If you wanted to be fair and honest you would admit that you have little knowledge of the ideas I present. They are foreign to you. And as I've often said, you cannot explain how life works, or who we are, in a few paragraphs. Not only that but, again if you wanted to be fair and honest, you must admit that there's a very good chance that everything you believe to be true is not necessarily true. So if an idea flies in the face of what you believe to be true you forget what I point out in the previous sentence. You then come from the position, using the assumption, that everything you know thus far is indeed true. And so, between lacking the patience to wait for a full explanation and assuming that all you know to be true is true then it's only natural and logical that you would, in your haste, ascribe a small portion of an explanation to be unsound. That's purely elementary, my friend. "you mentioned buddhism as a dogma in a past post." Rather, you interpreted me as saying that Buddhism is a dogma. For I said no such thing. Buddhism is not dogma. As with any religion (and yes, it's been argued that Buddhism isn't a religion) there exists a certain degree of dogma. "i've personally read a few buddhist books, grabbed some ideas that interested me, but ignored 90% of it." I wonder what can be inferred from that statement.

You are truly a gentle soul, Sunmaster. You could have addressed your post specifically to me, as it is obviously in response to how you perceive my approach and you wish to comment on my approach by contrasting it with yours. Of course as long as you don't name me then there can be no confrontation. No worries if you directly name me or even call me out. I enjoy criticism. As long as it's constructive and not given for the sole purpose of denigrating. I agree with what you say but I also disagree. But you'll have to wait on my peculiar perspective until tomorrow.

What's amusing and interesting, Hummin, is that even though I state repeatedly that I do not deny your reality or even bash your reality you keep on insisting that that is what I'm doing. If I saw a besotted bloke laying asleep on a park bench in the middle of the morning and I remarked simply and without judgement or without adding any flowery embellishments that he drinks too much you would accuse me of sitting on my judgemental throne and in my high and mighty view of myself pointing out his faults and shortcomings. And that I do so only because I suffer from insecurity. At the same time I'm also denying the drunk his reality, pronouncing his life to be incomplete due to his lack of understanding life. What's amusing and interesting, Hummin, is how you are able to read so much nonsense into something that's not there. Not a single comment on the rest of the post. That's remarkable. You only see what you want to see. I gotta hand it to you, you are one of the biggest crybabies I've ever come across. A never ending river of salty tears. And you will be back to read this. Guaranteed.

save the frogs. The conspiracy theorist.

No doubt there's some prep work to be done. First of all there must be a willingness to suspend one's current beliefs while entertaining other ideas. What I mean by this is that of course new ideas will clash in direct opposition to currently held ideas. That's to be expected. So current beliefs must be set aside temporarily while pursing fresh ideas. Temporarily suspending currently held beliefs does not mean giving them up to never to return to them again. It merely means setting them aside long enough to consider other ideas. For you cannot consider new ideas while at the same time filtering new information through current beliefs. It ain't gonna happen. Another way of putting it is that you play with ideas. No different than a child plays with building blocks. Build them up and if your construction doesn't please you then tear it down. Children treat building blocks as play. Fresh ideas should be treated the same. That is how it's meant to be. Discard the deadly seriousness. Don't fear that some unfamiliar idea, if followed, will take control of you and you'll forever get lost in some maze from which you are eternally trapped and can never find your way out. By all means, retain your common sense. Do not, I repeat, do not leave it at home. That initial approach is a must. I would recommend discarding any limiting beliefs which directly prevent one from any successful exploration of new ideas. Chief amongst these is the idea that no one can know who we are or what the true nature of reality is. That will quickly kill any exploration one undertakes. For if your journey is to acquire true knowledge and yet you believe that no one, especially yourself, is capable of doing so then you've just defeated yourself. Pack it up and go home. Save yourself the time and trouble. Another limiting belief which will ensure failure in your exploration is the idea that you are unworthy. That heavy baggage will weigh you down to a standstill after only your first few steps. It's a false idea and a severely limiting one. Unload it. I'll continue tomorrow in reply to your great post, Sunmaster.

Now you might think I'm joking or being facetious but I tell you with great sincerity that you've been a blessing to me. Granted in ways you would not understand.

"I know what I know . . . " "I do not claim to know . . . " Hopefully you can see the contradiction in those two statements. Here's my stance: "I know what I know . . . " "I do claim to know . . . " I understand fully that your reality is true and real for you. I don't try to invalidate your reality. I attempt only to show you there is a much greater reality than the one you are familiar with. There's more. Much more. But also that it is beliefs which form whatever reality you consider to be true and real. A transgender female, for instance, believes she is a she but the truth is that she's a he. No amount of belief can change one's biological heritage. Yet for the transgender female believing that he is a she is both true and real for them. Kudos to them. And I say again, kudos to them, though they deceive themselves. That's what you don't get. You don't get that there exists a bedrock reality that cannot be altered simply by believing reality to be what you want it to be. You cannot simply ignore foundational truths and base your beliefs upon assumptions which have no real roots in bedrock reality. Well, of course you can. But beware of problems when you attempt to do so. Such as experiencing thoughts of negativity. You are no doubt aware of the ever growing insanity which this world is experiencing. What is the source of all this insanity? Might it be because folks believe in ideas which have no basis in bedrock reality? To believe a man can become pregnant is perhaps one of the best examples of how far man can drift into the theatre of the absurd and subscribe to ideas which are wholly and so obviously in direct contradiction to the very basis of human biology. While believing that life happens to you also has no basis in bedrock reality it is a belief which is nonetheless subscribed to by the great majority of mass human consciousness. And the strength of the "truth" of that belief prevents anyone from even attempting to consider that maybe, just maybe, reality doesn't really work that way. And to speak the truth of how reality actually works, in the face of the belief in the exact opposite, is both heresy and nonsense. You do not claim to know. I claim to know. And yet when i ask you to explain, in as much detail as you can muster, how this "life happens" works, how it functions, the mechanics behind it, you falter. Badly. You then interpret, through the filter of your beliefs, my questioning of your view of reality as my attempt to deny you your reality. Again, I'm not trying to deny your reality, I'm attempting to broaden your awareness to more reality than that which you are presently aware of and familiar with. And you feel insulted by that attempt. Again, only because you believe I am attempting to deny what is true and real for you. I understand more than most that no one shares the same reality. It's been said by Seth, rather humourously, that it's amazing that anyone can say they even live in the same world. Because the world is vastly different for each of us. No two people believe the same. Overlaps, sure. But different enough that no two worlds are alike. And sometimes even worlds apart. Seth's comment that man cannot meet his current challenges using the set of ideas he currently holds to be true is because too many of those ideas have no true basis in bedrock reality. And as I've said before, go ahead and oppose the laws which govern reality as much as you like but just beware that you will have problems as you do so. It is inevitable and the problems are there to alert you that something is amiss. Seth has made that comment several times and in one instance he added that if we do not return to bedrock reality and continue to believe the world works in ways in which it does not then our very survival as a species is at risk. And I see the world drifting further and further from actual reality using greater and greater impoverished ideas.

BTW also, I thought you were on a self prescribed sabbatical?

BTW, Hummin. It's no coincidence at all that you would be the first to confirm the below. For a guy who claims he knows nothing, at least nothing with absolute certainty, then surely no one else can claim to know anything with certainty either. It's only logical.

I know nothing. I know nothing. I know nothing. Just keep repeating it to yourself, Hummin. You're doing just fine. Edit: I forgot the smiley.

Well, do you agree with the analogy? Do you think it fitting? Mornings are my best time. Now I'm far from being a Jane Roberts but I cannot ignore the fact, nor do I even attempt to deny the experience, that in my mornings I am often literally assailed by information of which I know is coming from me but feels as though it was not. I'll sit in quiet whilst drinking my coffee (I'm usually up hours before the rest of the family awakens), not yet focused on the day's reality, and information comes so quickly that I have a difficult time keeping up with it. It just flows. Part of my problem posting here is that the information I receive in the mornings is oftentimes perfectly that which I'd like to post but it is extremely difficult to recall once I attempt to "slow it down" enough for me to type all of the information out. You have no idea how many posts I've started only to scrap them because I'm not satisfied with them because I've already forgotten much and as much of the flow as I can recall just doesn't come out the way I think it should. My above magician analogy was produced in the way I describe. But this analogy struck me to be such a wonderful analogy that I kept going over it in my mind again and again so that it was committed to memory. The short of it is that we perform our magic via our thoughts. Our thoughts literally produce not only our experience but all of the lovely paraphernalia as well. And we are generally completely and thoroughly unaware that we create using thought. The title of the essay Jane Roberts produced in 1963 says it clear as a bell in one simple sentence. "The Physical Universe As Idea Construction." Now others may think what they will of that statement. They may take it as metaphorical or they can take it as pure nonsense. I take it as literal. Purely literal. Zero distortion. We are forgetful magicians, I say. For who here believes in the concept that their thoughts create their experience, let alone their entire reality. No one. I do grant that you understand it, Sunmaster. Everyone is looking for answers outside of themselves when the reality is that it's all coming from the inside of us. And so we live, for the most part, in an illusion is which thoughts have no bearing on anything and furthermore it is not we who create our lives (okay, maybe to an extent - grudgingly admitted to) but something else . . . genes, heredity, the hand of God, chance, happenstance, luck, our environments, our past, Karma, the chemicals flowing through our brains, human nature (whatever that is) . . . anything but US. And just like the audience member who perceives the sleight of hand and sees the mechanics behind the "magic" anyone can become that audience member and see and understand the mechanics behind the magic trick which is our life. The analogy doesn't fit in one sense. The audience of a magic show are in full awareness that there is no real magic being performed. They are all fully aware it is they who cannot follow along and they understand just as well that their attention is being deliberately and intentionally and artfully diverted to the magic happening rather than the process by which the illusion is conducted. And when that member of the audience who perceives the devices, the sleight of hand, and stands up and proclaims he knows the magic then the audience applauds and beseeches that member to divulge the workings of the trick so that they know, too. The analogy fails in that in r-e-a-l life the audience does not applaud that member who perceives the mechanics behind the trick. Rather they attack him. Viciously at times. And they disparage his explanations as nonsense. And worse. I, for instance, am a deceptive cult leader who attempts to lead people away fro the r-e-a-l 'truth." Anyway, the short answer I've given you is not one which you are unfamiliar with, Sunmaster. But as I've said before, the devil is always in the details. And there are a lot of details. It's funny. I find that folks often expect short answers to explain the mechanics of life. Despite have a deep realisation of how complex we are and how complex the world is. But still, if you can't provide one paragraph explanations then they've neither the time nor patience to hear any more. Hopefully folks understand that the above is not a judgement. It is, rather, just an accurate observation of what is and nothing more.

Do you want the long version or the short one?

Here's my personal observation which I'll share. Life is a magical world in which the magic appears to be performed outside of ourselves. "Life happens" is this the grand illusion. But the truth is that we are the magicians who not only perform on a world stage but create the stage and all of it's paraphernalia as well. We are forgetful magicians, as well. And so, just like a good magicians trick, it only appears that someone else, someone who is outside of ourselves, is creating the magic of our lives. We see a magician perform his art of illusion which deceives our senses. Whether by sleight of hand or otherwise, the magician's art is to force the attentions of his audience in a direction which is away from the actual process he utilises to create his illusion of magic. The audience is well aware that no real magic is being performed. And despite this foreknowledge they are unable to perceive the magicians sleight of hand by which he artfully deceives his audience. There are always, though, those few within the audience whose attention is not so diverted and they are able to witness the devices employed. They then understand how the "magic" is performed. We are all magicians in the truest sense of the word. But for whatever reasons we have chosen, in this probable reality, to purposely forget our true roles. And so it appears to us that the magic is not us. Yet just as within the audience of a magic show there are those who perceive how the "magic" is performed there are always those among us who also perceive how the magic of our lives is performed. I invite everyone to perceive the workings, the devices, with which we perform our magic. And to then know beyond a shadow of a doubt who it is that we truly are.

You'll be back after a good rest. It's like a good night's sleep. You awaken with renewed vigor and find yourself ready to hit it again.

Once you understand that there are only two things anyone could ever think about, and you realise that whatever it is you focus on becomes your experience, then it becomes quite easy. Don't worry, don't hurry, and don't forget to smell the flowers. Easy peasy.

The distortions I'm referring to are where a person's beliefs colour otherwise quite valid inner information. Had Jane Roberts been a devout Catholic she could have interpreted Seth's information by clothing it in religious garb. Thus distorting it. True, there is no such thing as wasted time. We're not in a race to anywhere. On the other hand, I could see myself spending years trying to sift through distorted information. Seth delivered information for over 20 years. You can imagine the range of topics he was able to discuss over such a lengthy time frame. He did mention the challenges we face today, though. And his ideas about what would need to occur for mankind to blossom into a new age in which man used his inherent abilities and expansion of consciousness to create a much more ideal reality. "Consciousness, by its nature, continually expands. The nature of consciousness as you understand it as a species will, in one way or another, lead you beyond your limited ideas of reality, for your experience will set challenges that cannot be solved within your current framework. Those problems set by one level of consciousness will automatically cause breakthroughs into other areas of conscious activity, where solutions can be found." —UR1 Section 3: Session 697 May 13, 1974 What he's saying is that our current mass accepted ideas about the nature of our reality will not be sufficient to overcome our current challenges. From the evidence I see of the direction this world is moving in I'm in full agreement. Ideas such as men having the ability to become pregnant are just not going to cut it.

My reaction was due to my imaging a male hermaphrodite. And the thought that there are probably people willing to believe in the existence of such a creature with all seriousness. Otherwise, .

You'd probably find more than just a few similarities. And just as many nuggets worthy of retaining. It's not surprising, really, as the reality we find ourselves in has been perceived to an extent by many. So you can find it everywhere. Amongst all of the nuggets you will find distortions as well. For myself, the less distortion the better. Seth is about as distortion free as I've ever found. He eliminates the need to separate the chaff from the grain. Saves a lot of time.

I think everyone worries about what will become of their loved ones upon their demise. It's quite natural to care about others and their futures. I've learned that just as the world provides everything I need to live the life I want so too does the world provide the same for everyone else. As soon as I catch myself worrying about their welfare I realise I'm treating them as cripples. As people unable to manage their lives or fulfill their reason for being without my presence. And so I then feel the burden I place upon my own shoulders to be the provider and savior in their lives. Rather, I trust they will do just fine without me. Just as I did just fine in my life. I am, after all, dispensable.