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No one can know. How does that belief benefit you, Hummin? Just be aware that you can't help but put yourself in the same pot as you believe that. You, then, can never know either. News flash: There are people in the world that do know, Hummin. Certainly not everything. But they do know a great deal. While you cry whenever you feel someone is trying to deny your reality merely by challenging you you then do a one-eighty without so much as missing a beat and deny the realities of those who claim to know. Does that not smack of hypocrisy? Knowing something = superiority? A logical fallacy. Speaking with confidence on what you know = superiority? Another logical fallacy. My criticism here is pointed directly at your ideas, Hummin. Not your person. You are a good man. My criticism is constructive and not degrading. I hold your feet to the fire. I attempt to force you to use that noodle between your ears which has been gifted you for a reason. And I've told you before you are extremely stubborn. And a bit of a cry baby. Have a great Sunday, too, Hummin.

I agree with the first two statements. The last is, in my opinion, bogus. Except in that he ends that statement affirming man's grace We inherently have desire and thoughts. If these are inherent yet they are weak and evil then we are inherently weak and evil. It can't be any other way. Makes no sense. Habits are neither weak nor evil. Habits are simply habits. They can cut both ways. I've rejected Buddhism for the same reasons I rejected Christianity. Too much that just doesn't make sense and doesn't ring true.

"I believe I have answered most of your questions." 5555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555 Well, at least you qualify that as a belief. Because it's nowhere near factual. "I would put them in a different order, Emotions - thoughts - imagination and you know this is not done in a short answer." I don't think you could explain how your theory works even with an answer of any length. But I do think that you'll never be willing to provide anything other than that short answer. I guarantee we'll never see one but I'd wager we would see an excuse as to why you won't provide one. "Do we feel before we think?" I've said it here many times, even in replies to you directly and as of late, that one of the easiest things to prove to one's self is the fact that thoughts come first and emotions and imagination follow. Since you are asking the question after I've suggested you test the idea out yourself is, again, the proof in the pudding that you stubbornly ignore anything I tell you. I'm talking to the proverbial wall. "You asking the ultimate question depending on your belief and your teaching . . . " 5555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555 I'm asking the simplest of questions. One so simple that anyone can easily figure it out in no time at all, especially given that the answer has been provided already. All you have to do is confirm via observation. ". . . and there is no good answers really . . . " The answers are everywhere. But if you recall you've admittedly stopped searching. I think the reason you make this statement is so that you can claim all sorts of personal beliefs, never have to worry about being wrong, and never have to worry about anyone holding your feet to the fire to explain yourself. It's your "get out of jail" free card. "There is no good answers really. Not for anything. We can all just make everything up as we go along. And anyone's answers are as good as anyone else's. As long as it's true for you who's to say it's not true. Everyone gets a passing grade. Class dismissed." ". . . except we are a product of continuous stimuli . . . " Got anything to back that statement up? Do you remember grade school when your math teacher would demand not only the answer to the math problem but also require you to show your work (called proofs). So this is your answer but no reasoning to show how you've arrived at your answer. If you had tried that with you math teacher you probably would have received a well deserved rap on the knuckles from her ruler.

Sorry for the late reply. Been busy. Seth generally states that emotions and imagination follow thought. There are a few times where he has qualified that statement with "largely." And yet I've never come across a given example where emotions or imagination are produced by other means. Since his repetition of that idea more often than not does not include the qualifier then I think it safe to rely on it without the qualifier. I'm sure that if the statement without the qualifier was not the, say, typical case then he would have provided the differentiation or further explanation. Ecstasy is certainly an emotion. But I, myself, don't at all see that emotion divorced from thought. Per it's definition, which I think is the common accepted one: ecstasy [ ek-stuh-see ] - rapturous delight. - an overpowering emotion or exaltation; a state of sudden, intense feeling. - the frenzy of poetic inspiration. - mental transport or rapture from the contemplation of divine things. I can think of no example of experiencing the feeling of ecstasy before experiencing thoughts of supreme delight or exaltation. Do you have an example? Sudden fear is the result of a sudden awareness of an impending situation . . . real or imagined. The very instant that a threat is perceived is the same instant that the corresponding emotion is felt. If one were killed in an instant without ever having an awareness of one's impending doom then the old aphorism, "he never knew what hit him," applies. Does that make sense to you?

"Does a 2 year old create the brain tumour that kills him slowly and in a great deal of pain?" That's a tough one. To accept. You create your own reality. There is no other main rule. Now, you may not agree with the above, and no doubt you don't. You assuredly have your own beliefs as to the causes and reasons for the reality of the above hypothetical example. And one can be assured also that you have no way of proving whatever your belief is. Despite that fact you believe it anyway. Despite the fact that you have no way of explaining how your belief works. If my belief sounds unbelievable then you must admit that your belief sounds just as unbelievable. Again, remember that your belief comes with no proof nor evidence nor any working model nor any explanation as to why your belief is "true." The difference between your belief and mine is that while you can offer no explanation, and thus willy nilly believe in whatever sounds about right (much of it guaranteed to be some of the unexamined mass beliefs which were taught you on your trail through life) I at least am able to provide the means for proving what I say to be true to one's self and provide rational and reasoned explanations including a working model. Is what I say above true?

Well spoken.

Come to think of it @Hummin , I can't even ask you questions because you won't even answer them. You'll give me some ridonkulous excuse for your own failure to answer questions and even go so far to disingenuously turn the tables to blame me for your refusal. So if I were to ask you what thoughts, emotions and imagination are, what their purpose is, and why we have them you'd come back to me with this: "Why I do not answer all your questions, is because maybe you need to answer those questions for yourself, not me to give you those answers." The truth is, Hummin, you don't answer questions because you have no answers. You make communication truly impossible.

"I can call you out on one thing, you know very little about chronic depression . . . " You don't know that. You couldn't know that. So I call BS. BTW, mine was chronic. ". . . which comes from technically said the wiring in your brain, be it from birth simply said by heritage or the environment you grow up in. There is a reason we have medical conditions named by diagnoses, and for each Diogenes there is similarities but still there is differences that seperates them." Don't take it personally now, Hummin. You are not your ideas. You are the personality who thinks ideas. Now that we've got that straight then I call bullsh!t on the ideas you've just presented. I can tell you why. In detail. But you haven't been willing thus far to explore any of the ideas I've offered you. And as long as you are unwilling then my explanations fall on deaf ears. I may as well be talking to the wall. Have you taken me up on playing with the concept that emotions and imagination follow your thoughts? Such a simple, simple exercise. Takes no time at all. Very little effort. Again, the proof is always in the pudding. You've no interest, really, to even consider any new ideas. But you do seem to gravitate towards any idea, no matter it's idiocy, as long as it's "science" based. You seem to listen as long as it bears the patina of authority. The common man . . . not so much. Boy, if only I had PhD at the end of my name. You'd be all ears.

Depression has it's cause and that cause is the same for everyone. Thoughts. The degree of depression is only a difference in the degree of focus. The length of depression in terms of time is only the duration of focus. The reason for having depressive thoughts is as varied as snowflakes. Your remedy is a good one. Because everything about your remedy is positive. Which should serve as proof that thoughts generate emotions and direct the imagination which then together all produce experience.

Just so you know, Hummin. No hard feelings. I like you. Your ideas, well we can talk about that.

I can't say how you solved your depression with any specificity but since I have an understanding of how it works I can say that ultimately you switched your focus from thoughts which produce depression to thoughts which produce the opposite effects. Happiness. Just from what you've related throughout your posts you've used your sensed connection with nature. That is an excellent way to change your mental focus. You've reached out to professionals - with the positive and therefore beneficial belief that they would be able to help you. And in your belief that they could help you then that belief was reflected in your experience and so they did help you. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with using any device you can. But it is only elementary that however your journey went the way you brought yourself out of it was to change the bulk of your focus, your attention, your perspective to positive and beneficial thoughts. And you did it, as you say, brick by brick. You say you recogonise what I'm talking about but I doubt that you do. For if you did you would understand, as I do, that "curing" depression can be . . . can be . . . easy. The fact that you disagree with that sentiment is the proof that you don't really recognise what I'm talking about. The proof is always in the pudding. As far as calling some of your beliefs BS I call them BS if they are BS. If you take a belief about reality and claim that it's a condition of reality when it's not then I will call you out to tell you that your belief is a belief and not absolute truth. Beliefs, even though they are nothing more than beliefs, or even false beliefs, will still form your experience. Now think of TBL's belief that life sucks. Does life suck for you? Obviously not. Is TBL's statement that life sucks a condition of reality in your view? Or, in your view, is it a belief about reality? Well, the truth is that it's a belief about reality. Which means it's not an absolute truth of reality, or bedrock reality. Therefore it's a false belief. But whether it's a false belief or not it will regardless still create a personal experience for the individual which perfectly mirrors that belief. It's true only so long as one believes it to be true.

I should clarify one small but important detail, Hummin. Your emotions, as well as your imagination, follow your thoughts. It is not the other way around. And I can't emphasise that strongly enough. Or put differently, your thoughts generate emotion and direct your imagination. I've said this very early on when I began posting here. I've also told people that this is perhaps one of the easiest aspects of our reality to prove to one's self whether it is true or false. Think a sad thought and then pay attention to how you feel and the direction your imagination takes. Do the same with a happy thought. A fearful thought. An angry thought. Take the concept for a test drive yourself. And if you do then you will understand how thoughts drive emotions and imagination. Therefore, what happens during depression, whether it's mild or severe, is a steady and very singular focus on every and any idea which produces the correlating emotion and directs the imagination accordingly. Since we are in control of our thoughts (I hope to God you at least believe that) then it is simply a matter of turning our thoughts in a different direction. Which can be accomplished in an instant. You can be a lifetime smoker and quit in a moment with the greatest of ease. And without any bodily withdrawals for nicotine. How? When the thought of smoking enters your head you let it pass right through. If you begin to focus on smoking again then you will make it difficult. And if you continue to focus on smoking with intensity you'll be on your way to smoking again. How do I know? I've done it. More than once. The process for quitting smoking is the same process for "curing" depression. And it's the same process for every other aspect of your life. The process of creation is the same for everything. You create using your thoughts. Your emotions and imagination follow. And your experience must . . . must . . . reflect your thoughts. You change your outer reality by changing your inner reality. There is no other way.

"There is a timeline no matter what grade of depression you have . . ." That's a belief about reality and not a condition of reality. You mistake your belief about reality as being a condition of reality. So for you, because it is what you believe, so it is your experience. Just remember, what is for you is not what it is for others. In other words, others believe differently than you. And so they experience differently than you. Freeing one's self of depression takes only as long as it takes to understand what's causing it and where it comes from. It is, therefore, quite possible for a fast learner to get over his or her depression rather immediately. ". . . . telling someone who is severe depressed it is easy?" That also is a belief about reality and not a condition of reality. You again mistake your belief about reality as being a condition of reality. Your experience of your depression is not the same as the experience of others. Therefore, for some it is difficult. For others it is easy. Say it is difficult and so it shall be. Say it is easy and so it shall be. Remember, too, that I had been severely depressed at one time in my life - just like you (though for different reasons, obviously). So I can speak with great experience. But I, unlike you, wanted to understand the experience thoroughly. So that I would be able to not only lift myself out of it on my own but also so that the acquisition of that knowledge would prevent me from ever falling prey to depression again. I would then know exactly how to stop it in it's tracks the moment depression reared it's ugly head. It's as I told you in a recent post. If you like things simple there is absolutely nothing wrong with that approach. Just be aware, though, that when the lights go out (the electric ones) and all you know how to do is the take the simple action of flipping the light switch then you will be left sitting in the dark. In my case, when the lights go out and it's naught to do with the light switch I know how to bring illumination back into my world. Your trouble, from my perspective, is that you simply cannot, or are unwilling to, wrap your head around the fact that as humans we have thoughts - for a reason, obviously - and it has thus far not dawned on you that thoughts are much more than what you think they are. Thoughts literally create experience. Deny it all you like but do so at your own peril. I do know better, Hummin. Not because I'm special or better than anyone else. It's only because I've chosen to learn. And anyone can learn. That all. But it does appear to irk you that I do know what I know. Don't expect me to apologise for it.

Just remember. The above is nothing new. You've been using the above formula your entire life. It's what you've been doing all along. Is becoming conscious of what you're doing a good idea? Well, it is if you want to create your life consciously instead of living it as if life is what happens to you. Somehow the "sh!t happens" approach has never suited me.

Reality Creation 101 1. You have a life. Your life is a continuous experience. ✔️ 2. You have thoughts. ✔️ 3. You have emotions. ✔️ 4. You have imagination. ✔️ 5. Thoughts + emotions + imagination + all pointing in the same direction = experience. ✔️ 6. That's it!! Easy peasy!!! ✔️ Now get to work and create the most wonderful and fulfilling life you can imagine!!! Go with [the] God [that you are]. Edit: The details of all of it will fill in as you go along. Trust me.

When life sucks then it happens for only one reason. And one reason only. One believes that life sucks. You've literally hypnotised yourself into believing it. As long as you hold, or entertain, or focus on that statement, which comes from the inside, you will never be able to change it's outer effects. It's a self-perpetuating circle of hell. "Life sucks" is an idea. The idea comes from the inside. Your thoughts. Your create your outer reality using thoughts, e.g. ideas, beliefs. Your belief, "life sucks," is then reflected outward as your experience. Your experience of "life sucks" then reaffirms and reinforces your belief that "life sucks." Which causes you to repeat what you're experiencing. "Life sucks." The "life sucks" then produces more experience of "life sucks." Again the belief that "life sucks" is reaffirmed and reinforced. Ad infinitum. "Life is wonderful" is a belief that works just the same as "life sucks." The evidence of the truth that "life is wonderful" is all around you right now. But the belief that "life sucks" prevents you from seeing that "life is wonderful because "life sucks," since that is what you've been consistently creating, seems R-E-A-L and beyond question. You are in a circle of hell because you don't understand what you're doing. No one has ever taught you. And you haven't figured it out for yourself yet. The way out is easier than you think.

Magicians perform magic tricks. It appears to be magic until you understand how the trick is performed. Miracles appear to be miracles for the same reason. You can always choose to peak behind the curtain.

When you pass your new situation will be made clear to you. But I wouldn't expect sudden enlightenment simply because you've died. You'll still be you. You'll just have new opportunities to learn what you haven't learned in this lifetime. The challenges never go away. "If I created this reality I must really, really hate myself." No. You just weren't aware of how you were creating what you did. We create from the inside out. If that isn't understood then the illusion becomes that life happens to you. Life doesn't happen to you or anyone. It's all self created. Good and bad are on equal footing here.

I'm ready for another sabbatical anytime. But I do like to stir the pot now and again.

It's little more than the computer adage. Garbage in, garbage out. The cause of depression is garbage in. The result is garbage out. It's not at all complex. But again, if you aren't aware that your experience is being created from the inside, not the outside, you'll never think to look.

Sometimes I think that it's too much for people to wrap their heads around the idea that they create their own realities, e.g. experiences. So they look for answers outside of themselves. Where they don't exist. And, therefore . . . never find them.

So everyone here, except you, me and somebody, have been outed?

Is today the day of rest? It's only Friday. It's dead in here.

". . . but the nature of depression is being stuck until it fades away by it self . . ." Sorry to say, Hummin, but that is total BS. I've told you before that the cause of depression is singular and the way out is quite easy once one understands what the cause is. I won't repeat myself to you again because you just don't listen well. Viva la resistance!!!!!!!!!