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Come to think of it @Hummin , I can't even ask you questions because you won't even answer them. You'll give me some ridonkulous excuse for your own failure to answer questions and even go so far to disingenuously turn the tables to blame me for your refusal. So if I were to ask you what thoughts, emotions and imagination are, what their purpose is, and why we have them you'd come back to me with this: "Why I do not answer all your questions, is because maybe you need to answer those questions for yourself, not me to give you those answers." The truth is, Hummin, you don't answer questions because you have no answers. You make communication truly impossible.

"I can call you out on one thing, you know very little about chronic depression . . . " You don't know that. You couldn't know that. So I call BS. BTW, mine was chronic. ". . . which comes from technically said the wiring in your brain, be it from birth simply said by heritage or the environment you grow up in. There is a reason we have medical conditions named by diagnoses, and for each Diogenes there is similarities but still there is differences that seperates them." Don't take it personally now, Hummin. You are not your ideas. You are the personality who thinks ideas. Now that we've got that straight then I call bullsh!t on the ideas you've just presented. I can tell you why. In detail. But you haven't been willing thus far to explore any of the ideas I've offered you. And as long as you are unwilling then my explanations fall on deaf ears. I may as well be talking to the wall. Have you taken me up on playing with the concept that emotions and imagination follow your thoughts? Such a simple, simple exercise. Takes no time at all. Very little effort. Again, the proof is always in the pudding. You've no interest, really, to even consider any new ideas. But you do seem to gravitate towards any idea, no matter it's idiocy, as long as it's "science" based. You seem to listen as long as it bears the patina of authority. The common man . . . not so much. Boy, if only I had PhD at the end of my name. You'd be all ears.

Depression has it's cause and that cause is the same for everyone. Thoughts. The degree of depression is only a difference in the degree of focus. The length of depression in terms of time is only the duration of focus. The reason for having depressive thoughts is as varied as snowflakes. Your remedy is a good one. Because everything about your remedy is positive. Which should serve as proof that thoughts generate emotions and direct the imagination which then together all produce experience.

Just so you know, Hummin. No hard feelings. I like you. Your ideas, well we can talk about that.

I can't say how you solved your depression with any specificity but since I have an understanding of how it works I can say that ultimately you switched your focus from thoughts which produce depression to thoughts which produce the opposite effects. Happiness. Just from what you've related throughout your posts you've used your sensed connection with nature. That is an excellent way to change your mental focus. You've reached out to professionals - with the positive and therefore beneficial belief that they would be able to help you. And in your belief that they could help you then that belief was reflected in your experience and so they did help you. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with using any device you can. But it is only elementary that however your journey went the way you brought yourself out of it was to change the bulk of your focus, your attention, your perspective to positive and beneficial thoughts. And you did it, as you say, brick by brick. You say you recogonise what I'm talking about but I doubt that you do. For if you did you would understand, as I do, that "curing" depression can be . . . can be . . . easy. The fact that you disagree with that sentiment is the proof that you don't really recognise what I'm talking about. The proof is always in the pudding. As far as calling some of your beliefs BS I call them BS if they are BS. If you take a belief about reality and claim that it's a condition of reality when it's not then I will call you out to tell you that your belief is a belief and not absolute truth. Beliefs, even though they are nothing more than beliefs, or even false beliefs, will still form your experience. Now think of TBL's belief that life sucks. Does life suck for you? Obviously not. Is TBL's statement that life sucks a condition of reality in your view? Or, in your view, is it a belief about reality? Well, the truth is that it's a belief about reality. Which means it's not an absolute truth of reality, or bedrock reality. Therefore it's a false belief. But whether it's a false belief or not it will regardless still create a personal experience for the individual which perfectly mirrors that belief. It's true only so long as one believes it to be true.

I should clarify one small but important detail, Hummin. Your emotions, as well as your imagination, follow your thoughts. It is not the other way around. And I can't emphasise that strongly enough. Or put differently, your thoughts generate emotion and direct your imagination. I've said this very early on when I began posting here. I've also told people that this is perhaps one of the easiest aspects of our reality to prove to one's self whether it is true or false. Think a sad thought and then pay attention to how you feel and the direction your imagination takes. Do the same with a happy thought. A fearful thought. An angry thought. Take the concept for a test drive yourself. And if you do then you will understand how thoughts drive emotions and imagination. Therefore, what happens during depression, whether it's mild or severe, is a steady and very singular focus on every and any idea which produces the correlating emotion and directs the imagination accordingly. Since we are in control of our thoughts (I hope to God you at least believe that) then it is simply a matter of turning our thoughts in a different direction. Which can be accomplished in an instant. You can be a lifetime smoker and quit in a moment with the greatest of ease. And without any bodily withdrawals for nicotine. How? When the thought of smoking enters your head you let it pass right through. If you begin to focus on smoking again then you will make it difficult. And if you continue to focus on smoking with intensity you'll be on your way to smoking again. How do I know? I've done it. More than once. The process for quitting smoking is the same process for "curing" depression. And it's the same process for every other aspect of your life. The process of creation is the same for everything. You create using your thoughts. Your emotions and imagination follow. And your experience must . . . must . . . reflect your thoughts. You change your outer reality by changing your inner reality. There is no other way.

"There is a timeline no matter what grade of depression you have . . ." That's a belief about reality and not a condition of reality. You mistake your belief about reality as being a condition of reality. So for you, because it is what you believe, so it is your experience. Just remember, what is for you is not what it is for others. In other words, others believe differently than you. And so they experience differently than you. Freeing one's self of depression takes only as long as it takes to understand what's causing it and where it comes from. It is, therefore, quite possible for a fast learner to get over his or her depression rather immediately. ". . . . telling someone who is severe depressed it is easy?" That also is a belief about reality and not a condition of reality. You again mistake your belief about reality as being a condition of reality. Your experience of your depression is not the same as the experience of others. Therefore, for some it is difficult. For others it is easy. Say it is difficult and so it shall be. Say it is easy and so it shall be. Remember, too, that I had been severely depressed at one time in my life - just like you (though for different reasons, obviously). So I can speak with great experience. But I, unlike you, wanted to understand the experience thoroughly. So that I would be able to not only lift myself out of it on my own but also so that the acquisition of that knowledge would prevent me from ever falling prey to depression again. I would then know exactly how to stop it in it's tracks the moment depression reared it's ugly head. It's as I told you in a recent post. If you like things simple there is absolutely nothing wrong with that approach. Just be aware, though, that when the lights go out (the electric ones) and all you know how to do is the take the simple action of flipping the light switch then you will be left sitting in the dark. In my case, when the lights go out and it's naught to do with the light switch I know how to bring illumination back into my world. Your trouble, from my perspective, is that you simply cannot, or are unwilling to, wrap your head around the fact that as humans we have thoughts - for a reason, obviously - and it has thus far not dawned on you that thoughts are much more than what you think they are. Thoughts literally create experience. Deny it all you like but do so at your own peril. I do know better, Hummin. Not because I'm special or better than anyone else. It's only because I've chosen to learn. And anyone can learn. That all. But it does appear to irk you that I do know what I know. Don't expect me to apologise for it.

Just remember. The above is nothing new. You've been using the above formula your entire life. It's what you've been doing all along. Is becoming conscious of what you're doing a good idea? Well, it is if you want to create your life consciously instead of living it as if life is what happens to you. Somehow the "sh!t happens" approach has never suited me.

Reality Creation 101 1. You have a life. Your life is a continuous experience. ✔️ 2. You have thoughts. ✔️ 3. You have emotions. ✔️ 4. You have imagination. ✔️ 5. Thoughts + emotions + imagination + all pointing in the same direction = experience. ✔️ 6. That's it!! Easy peasy!!! ✔️ Now get to work and create the most wonderful and fulfilling life you can imagine!!! Go with [the] God [that you are]. Edit: The details of all of it will fill in as you go along. Trust me.

When life sucks then it happens for only one reason. And one reason only. One believes that life sucks. You've literally hypnotised yourself into believing it. As long as you hold, or entertain, or focus on that statement, which comes from the inside, you will never be able to change it's outer effects. It's a self-perpetuating circle of hell. "Life sucks" is an idea. The idea comes from the inside. Your thoughts. Your create your outer reality using thoughts, e.g. ideas, beliefs. Your belief, "life sucks," is then reflected outward as your experience. Your experience of "life sucks" then reaffirms and reinforces your belief that "life sucks." Which causes you to repeat what you're experiencing. "Life sucks." The "life sucks" then produces more experience of "life sucks." Again the belief that "life sucks" is reaffirmed and reinforced. Ad infinitum. "Life is wonderful" is a belief that works just the same as "life sucks." The evidence of the truth that "life is wonderful" is all around you right now. But the belief that "life sucks" prevents you from seeing that "life is wonderful because "life sucks," since that is what you've been consistently creating, seems R-E-A-L and beyond question. You are in a circle of hell because you don't understand what you're doing. No one has ever taught you. And you haven't figured it out for yourself yet. The way out is easier than you think.

Magicians perform magic tricks. It appears to be magic until you understand how the trick is performed. Miracles appear to be miracles for the same reason. You can always choose to peak behind the curtain.

When you pass your new situation will be made clear to you. But I wouldn't expect sudden enlightenment simply because you've died. You'll still be you. You'll just have new opportunities to learn what you haven't learned in this lifetime. The challenges never go away. "If I created this reality I must really, really hate myself." No. You just weren't aware of how you were creating what you did. We create from the inside out. If that isn't understood then the illusion becomes that life happens to you. Life doesn't happen to you or anyone. It's all self created. Good and bad are on equal footing here.

I'm ready for another sabbatical anytime. But I do like to stir the pot now and again.

It's little more than the computer adage. Garbage in, garbage out. The cause of depression is garbage in. The result is garbage out. It's not at all complex. But again, if you aren't aware that your experience is being created from the inside, not the outside, you'll never think to look.

Sometimes I think that it's too much for people to wrap their heads around the idea that they create their own realities, e.g. experiences. So they look for answers outside of themselves. Where they don't exist. And, therefore . . . never find them.

So everyone here, except you, me and somebody, have been outed?

Is today the day of rest? It's only Friday. It's dead in here.

". . . but the nature of depression is being stuck until it fades away by it self . . ." Sorry to say, Hummin, but that is total BS. I've told you before that the cause of depression is singular and the way out is quite easy once one understands what the cause is. I won't repeat myself to you again because you just don't listen well. Viva la resistance!!!!!!!!!

Phony as a three dollar bill. But it pays well.

What I'm referring to is this: Some people suffer from severe depression. There are those who don't know enough to help themselves and there are those who know enough to help themselves. I come from the latter camp. Moral of the story? There's a great deal of value in complexity.

It's a figure of speech.

I was referring to the electric lights. Getting them turned back on if all you've ever known is to flip a switch would be a problem for those who want everything to be simple, like just flipping the switch.

The truth is simple. But again, the devil is always in the details. Then it begins to get complex. Most quit when their brains start to hurt.

Too many "true" realities to choose from. Understandably, it does get confusing.