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    We deserve better: it's time to restart Thailand

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    It really is time to restart Thailand.

    Can we trust the DEM again? Will the people be fooled and taken hostage again? Shall we give them the benefit for doubt?

    Thailand cannot restart when he uses holier than thou attitude and talk self-righteously, uses all the excuses and accusations mentioned here to block the restart button.

    Thailand needs to forgive (first on oneself and then to others), then move on to reconciliation (First on self and others) then unity and healing and recovery will take place. A broken bone responded to healing process and when recovered becomes stronger.

    With the reconciliation bill and its intention smeared and murdered, where do we go from here?

    BANGKOK: -- Once more the world watches Thailand and what looks to be a never-ending stalemate: powerful protests, wanton random acts of violence, divisive and hateful content in our press and social media. The Thai people have been through this cycle of failed government for too long. Our future lies in the hands of the few, whilst the many continue to question where this will lead us. We deserve better.

    Who are these few?

    Our country has tremendous potential. With our unique history in Southeast Asia as being a country that was never colonised, we have undergone a revolution of development, teetering on the edge of being a "developed market". The second largest economy in Asean after Indonesia and geographically at the centre of continental Asean, we have much to gain from the establishment of the Asean economic community next year.

    We have an educated, professional workforce. Our country is a hub for automotive manufacturing, technology, services, leisure and the creative industries. It is an agricultural tour de force. Behind our famous Thai smile, there is a strong sense of national pride, a determination to succeed, a passion to preserve what we call "Thai-ness", and the will and ability to continue to grow, develop and perform, both nationally and globally.

    Yet it is the politics that has failed us. What is happening on the streets of Bangkok today is an irrefutable demonstration that the Thai people believe they deserve a better system. As the leader of the Democrat Party, I must share the blame for the failed politics, but at the same time I cannot shy away from my responsibilities to help lead the country from the current stalemate

    You lost your credibility, legitimacy and authority to lead the country from the current stalemate you and your ‘masters’ created.

    and I urge all political leaders including the current prime minister and all the political parties to do likewise. We must never forget that our claim to be "by the people and for the people" means our first duty is to serve the Thai people. We have a moral duty to "do the right thing".

    We have a moral duty to "do the right thing".

    You and the DEM have lost the credibility and authority to talk about “Moral Duty”. What is this “Right Thing”. Talk, talk, talk, and doing the opposite has been the hallmark of AV and the DEM.

    Despite our differences, we should all agree on some key principles. We want to preserve our democracy, so there must be no coups and all violence must be condemned and stopped. We must all demand progress in bringing to account the perpetrators of over 30 incidents of violence against protesters and opposition leaders in the last few months.

    He is now trying to evade responsibilities and attempting to shift ‘goal posts’ here. It is not just the last few months. It should go back to pre-coup and after coup. Many are still in prisons without trial. Also, many criminal cases got postponing for at least six years by now.

    And while we can agree on condemning voter obstruction, we must also protect the right of Thais to protest peacefully, for such a right is surely one of the hallmarks of democracy.

    Who against Thais the right protest peacefully? Who challenged that constitutional right of the people? On the protests over the last two years, they were violation of civil and individual rights. Law and order enforcement officers were obstructed from carrying up their duties to protect public interests and safety. The constitutional right to protest peacefully were violated and abused.

    The current demonstrations/rallies/marches/protests were not peaceful. Speeches from the stages were that of inciting people to overthrow a democratically people elected government. Seizing of government offices, buildings, intimidating workers stopping works – against their will, to join protests. Police were prevented from violence sites to carry up their investigations – obstruction of police works and covering up of evidence.

    For the country to move ahead, we need to understand the grievances of the people protesting on the streets and those whose protest is registered with a no-vote or by simply not voting in the recent snap election. Only then can we draw up a roadmap for the future of the country.

    AV is not talking about moving ahead. He is trying to wriggle out of the mess he, the dem and its PDRC/PCAD created for the country and the people. Who are protesting on the streets now? Employed guards and grannies and exploited, and intimidated rice, rubber and oil palm farmers? The country will not move ahead when the real grievances is that of the alleged crimes hanging over the heads of the DEM.

    Who knows who are those protested with a no-vote or by simply not voting. The reality is that they were also voters exercise they voting right while many were criminally prevented. The candidate right to register was also criminally violated. These activities are anti-democracy

    Such a roadmap must include a return to free and fair elections, accepted by all sides,

    He is setting conditions. He is trying to shift the ‘goal posts’ again. The 2 Feb was conducted and now continuing under the same rules, he and his coalition partners set by amending the election section of the 2007 Constitution.

    and a clear, credible commitment to irreversible and comprehensive reforms.

    The government together with the business communities, academics and various institutions had come together to initiate reform but the DEM not only boycotted them but went around Thailand criticizing the government’s initiatives.

    So why are we in this political deadlock? Why have millions taken to the streets?

    Millions??? He is distorting, misleading and treating Thais and world communities like a fool.

    Why was there a boycott of the elections

    Because the DEM is afraid of the people’s mandate and wanted to seize power unconstitutionally. There was no boycotting from at least 50 other political parties.

    and why did an overwhelming majority of eligible voters who could go to vote unimpeded refuse to do so

    There was an overwhelming majority voter who wanted to vote. They were scared by the EC scare mongering before the election. Voters were also scared of their safety because of violence before the election – violence in blocking the distribution of ballot boxes and papers. Candidates were denied the right to registered. Voting centres closed thus denied voters’ right who turned up. Voting centres were closed early and thus denied people the right to vote. Physical violence against voters.

    or actively submitted a no-vote?

    Most of those submitted to no-vote are mainly from DEM dominated areas.

    The answers to these questions will enable us to identify the needed components for the roadmap.

    The trigger for the unrest was the government's attempt to pass an amnesty bill that permitted the return of a fugitive, self-exiled former prime minister, whitewash his crimes of corruption and return Bt46 billion of assets to him.

    The government did not attempt to pass the amnesty bill as accused. It was the legislators. Even if the accusations were true, it serves more interests to the country especially to the AV, Suthep, PAD, the military and the coup makers, supporters and financiers.

    Many RS/UDD were still in jails without trial. Some were jailed and now on bail conditions awaiting trials. Whilst many criminal cases of PAD leaders get postponing for about six years by now. None of them has ever step into jail a single day.

    This same administration was subsequently found guilty of manipulating votes and of fraud in Parliament.

    Which cabinet minister found guilty of manipulating vote in parliament? How many of them? A group of appointed senators were in violation of constitution – a violation of conflict of interests and independence.

    When the courts announced the verdict, the administration refused to accept it.

    It was the legislator, not the government who refused to accept it. The legislators wanted to impeach the judges for violating their constitutional rights, abused of power and conflict of interests.

    Adding to these woes now is the failure of the rice-pledging scheme. At least one million Thai farmers are waiting for payment for their last crop, with many payments outstanding from October last year.

    The EC disallowed a loan arrangement to pay the LAST CROP. The dem’s PDRC/PCAD also threatened banks if they entered into arrangement that will pay the rice farmers.

    The policy, which promised to pay farmers far above the market price for their rice, was doomed from the start.

    The DEM using disruptive and obstructionist politics to put obstacles on the implementation of the scheme.

    We Democrats said then and we see now that it would not and has not worked - as the IMF, respected academics and many others did.

    IMF and many respected academics have often been proved wrong on many occasions and issues

    Costing over Bt200 billion a year in losses, less than half of which benefits farmers,

    The scheme was never meant to be a direct profit-making scheme. It is to raise the living standard of the farmer and thus boost domestic consumptions and ensure food security

    as well as losing the country's status as the world's top rice exporter,

    This is a bad argument. Changing world situation and large migration of workers from rice exporting countries to various rice importing countries is a challenge faced by all governments. Increasingly, many countries treat food security as part of national security. Negotiation and statistics are held in confidential. Information can only be accessed through correct and appropriate legal channels and security scrutiny.

    the scheme is also full of corruption

    So far, how many government officials and ministers were convicted of corruption and irregularities? If AV is fighting corruption, then target corruption not the policy.

    and the National Anti-Corruption Commission is now expected to bring formal charges against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra for her role in the scheme later this month.

    Caretaker PM has always has a role in the scheme. It is a policy of the government. AV should allowed NACC to conduct investigation without putting pressure. Everyone is looking forward to the investigation - cross-examining witnesses and evidence and the overall social impact and of the economy.

    Failure to pay the farmers due to the lack of proceeds from the sale of the government rice stock

    I already mentioned above that it is not meant to be a direct money making scheme.

    adds to the economic woes caused by the failure of the subsidised first car scheme,

    What failure?

    the drop in exports

    a problem not just of Thailand.

    and, most recently, the drop in tourism after the declaration of the state of emergency.

    He is trying to exonerate from his responsibilities and the activities of overthrowing a people elected government.

    People protest because they are unsure their needs will be acknowledged. Thais are protesting against corruption. They are protesting against abuses of power. They are protesting against failed populist policies.

    AV is using smear, untruth, and distortion to misinform and mislead people. The truth is that the DEM has consistently failed to win an election for the last twenty years. Just look at their own corruption and abused of power records.

    They no longer trust politicians and the political process, including elections which they do not believe can be free and fair,

    That is the reason the DEM could not win an election consistently for the last twenty years and their performance getting worse each time.

    given the intimidation against political opposition,

    How were they intimidated?

    the courts and all institutions that provide checks and balance over the last few years by government supporters, the police and the Department of Special Investigations.

    The truth is that the officials of the institutions and judges of courts corrupted check and balance. No one in the government or PTP deny the need to have check and balance. The truth is also that DSI and police are investigating the alleged wrong doings committed by the DEM led administration and BMA.

    They can no longer tolerate "politics as usual" where an elected government abuses the democratic process and institutions to put itself above the law. Where else in the world have we seen a democratically elected government attempt to pass a law to whitewash corruption crimes of members of the leader's family?

    He is using smear and distortion again. Did PM YS directly involvement in the legislating process of passing the amnesty bill? What were the corruption crimes of members of the leader's family?

    Where else in the world that a government was arranged and installed by the coup makers, supporters and financiers. These people wrote their own law that pardoned themselves. These people wrote their constitution without the participation of the people. They even passed a law before the referendum that made opposing and the discussing of the constitution a criminal offense.

    Where else can we find a government that publicly says it refuses to help people, denying them access to government programmes because they did not vote for the parties in power?

    Who said that? Distortion, smear and untruth again

    That is why we and an overwhelming majority refused to participate in elections designed to legitimise the continuation of these abusive practices.

    Overwhelming majority? Did not the DEM chicken out of the election? Distortion and untruth again.

    The current protest is not a Democrat Party protest.

    So, the DEM is not protesting. Why did their MPs resign en masse to join the PDRC/PCAD?

    An Asia Foundation survey found that two-thirds of protesters have never participated in political demonstrations before. It is a protest of the people and they deserve the right to reform. We in the Democrat Party agree with their right to protest and their right to reform.

    Of course, two-third never participated political demonstration before. It is a protest of the misguided, misled, intimidated, manipulated and the maneuvered.

    We may not agree with their proposed means to achieve reform and we do not wish to see democracy suspended.

    Is he saying that the means of PDRC/PCAD are unconscionable and violated section 68?

    But we wholeheartedly agree with the need for comprehensive reform to rid the system of corruption and abuses, to give the people honest and effective governments from democratic elections, governments who remain democratically accountable after elections.

    He only know how to talk these issues. He did not put what he preaches when had the opportunity after being arranged to be the PM.

    Only such reforms can guarantee responsible national, social and effective economic management that does not jeopardise the country's and our children's future. This is what Thailand and the Thai people deserve.

    He is still unclear about the reforms he was talking. Reforms and its transparency and clarity can only happened when he takes part in the reform initiative. Unfortunately, he rejected all reform initiatives

    Yet reforms cannot begin with this government's plan to continue with these sham elections.

    What sham elections. Organizing a clean and fair election is the job of the EC. Is he accusing the EC?

    This will take months and may lead to further violence and ultimately fail to fill a quorum for Parliament or even be unlawful.

    Of course, if election being part of democratic process cannot solve problem, there will be further violence. It sounds like he is trying to block election rather than making it a success.

    Likewise, we need to face the reality that only someone credible and accepted by all sides can lead the reform process and manage the short transition to new elections in which everyone participates. That someone is clearly not the current government, the protest leaders nor the Democrat Party.

    What did he means by “…..manage the (1) SHORT TRANSITION (2) to new elections (3) in which everyone participates.

    Only someone credible and accepted by all sides can lead the reform process and manage the short transition to new elections in which everyone participates

    Does he has a name of someone someone credible and accepted by all sides?

    The country cannot afford to lose more time.

    To not waste more time is to stop playing political games and keep shifting goal posts. Start taking part in all democratic processes. To get out of the victim mentality world.

    Every day the stalemate continues means a loss of opportunity for the economy, the country and the people. It's time to chart an alternative course. Thailand has proved resilient in the past, bouncing back from economic and political crises. The country can surely turn the new-found energy and unprecedented level of political awareness and engagement into strong foundations for a stronger and better system.

    So stop playing political games and keep shifting goal post. Start taking part in all democratic processes. To get out of the victim mentality world.

    Political leaders must be the first to move. It is time for the government to engage others.

    The government has been trying to engage others, but the others keep playing political games and disruptive politics

    So many groups have been working on reforms - the business community, NGOs, the Political Development Council, to mention a few.

    Why the DEM rejected these initiatives?

    Well it would help if he could understand what was being said Read what he says about the Dems and then read what Abhist had to say about who would do the reforming.

    It really is time to restart Thailand.

    Can we trust the DEM again? Will the people be fooled and taken hostage again? Shall we give them the benefit for doubt?

    Thailand cannot restart when he uses holier than thou attitude and talk self-righteously, uses all the excuses and accusations mentioned here to block the restart button.

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    As the leader of the Democrat Party, I must share the blame for the failed politics, but at the same time I cannot shy away from my responsibilities to help lead the country from the current stalemate

    The quotes in Black are Abhist words. They sound to me like a man with morals and honesty. He is not claiming he can do any thing he is saying that he is partly responsible and should not be a part of the reform process.

    Likewise, we need to face the reality that only someone credible and accepted by all sides can lead the reform process and manage the short transition to new elections in which everyone participates. That someone is clearly not the current government, the protest leaders nor the Democrat Party.

    Only someone credible and accepted by all sides can lead the reform process and manage the short transition to new elections in which everyone participates

    Pretty much shows he has no idea of reality just drivel. I wonder what he hopes to gain with his rant's.

    No body tries to warp reality that bad with out a thought of getting some thing in return for it.

    We deserve better: it's time to restart Thailand

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    Can't restart Thailand until the rule of law is enforced. From petty crime to government. corruption.

    Reform the police and the rest should fall into place.

    Well you are right to a point. Unfortunately the rule of law is week. It needs some teeth put into it.

    Yes reform the police department. But understand minimum wages is not going to do the trick. Pay them a decent salary and immediately fire any one caught taking a bribe. That includes the ones taking bribes from bike riders with out a helmet. Harsh but it will do the job.

    It is not going to be an overnight fix but it will defiantly improve the quality of law enforcement.

    As for the Government Abhist hit it right on the head when he said the reform should not be done by Democrats or PTP. The cry will go out but who can do the job. I don't know as I am not that familiar with all the people in Thailand. But I do know there are people capable of doing it. 66 million is a lot of people and what is wrong with a non Thai on the committee. We are concerned with improving The law of the land and it's enforcement not who thinks up the answer. Abhist had a good idea when he suggested NGOs be included.

    I believe Abhist is the man to lead the nation but not the one to make changes as they no matter how good will be seen as self serving by some. Give the country a good constitution with teeth in it and people to back it up then have an election.

    Enroll in ObamaCare?

    in Health and Medicine

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    I was wondering what it would take to get there medicare if I was to move there. I am receiving a SS payment. I chose not to join it as I was not living there even though I am US citizen.

    Is it based on the amount of SS you receive?

    What you are talking about is Medicare Part B.

    When you are eligible for Part B, which is one year after you start receiving social security benifits (65, 66, or 67 which ever one applies) you have 6 months to accept it. It is currently $104.90 a month, period. If you don't sign up you are penalized 10% for every year you do not sign up. So if you never plan on returning no problem, but if things change and you do, You suffer the consequences. How would they know? Simply go to a doctor when you return. If you have private insurance they too have the option of billing medicare. So you get caught there too. Plus yo might even get caught in good old Bamacare.

    Your best source of information is http://www.ssa.gov/

    Thanks for the web site.

    CNX Hotel Fitness Club Memberships

    in Chiang Mai

    Posted

    I paid for one month at the Dangtuan and as of yesterday, it was 2,500. They said the priced increased October last year.

    Sent from my GT-I9295 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

    What was it like. I used to belong but the equipment was not kept up very well and the staff seemed to think there job was to talk to the chicks. The pool was nice and the sauna was OK but they never seemed to have the hot tub in operation. Looked at the Shangrala but it didn't seem like it could handle many users at the time I looked at it. That was a long time ago.

    LuckyDogs-TH is going to move very soon

    in Chiang Mai

    Posted

    Not to throw a wet blanket on it.

    The property looks beautiful but how will that benefit the animals in the kennel. Will they be taken out and given free range daily of course under supervision?

    Why do you continuously and obsessively post on this website about matters that you know nothing about? I'm sure you don't have pets (you wouldn't have time to walk or feed an animal as you are too busy posting). Nor do you know the lady who owns the business (as many of us do know her, and have been entrusting her with our animals for years). The animals get plenty of exercise.

    Sometimes...keep your mouth shut.

    First off thank you for being interested in my life style.

    Secondly I do know a bit about the lady.

    Third thank you for answering an honest question that would be of real concern to people who do not know the lady.

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    Yingluck flees farmers, protesters

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    I guess this means that the label of Yingluck as " The darling of Isan" can pretty much

    be put to rest...

    Well considering there are nearly 22 million people from the Isaan region and a small percentage of them are farmers your reporting of her label as being put to rest is a bit premature.

    for people living in this area (thai people) they still prefer her and the PTP to the other options. Not saying a lot but better the devil you know than the one you don't. Many previous governments have completely ignored this region. There is more to the PTP then one tablet per child and the rice scheme. They actually have grass roots representation which is more than the Democrats have ever done for this region.

    Corrupt, untrustworthy, liars, cheaters all words to describe most politicians (here and elsewhere) but at least with the PTP they lie to your face - in person - versus from a sound bite or news report like the alternative. Have lived here for nearly 5 years now and have met several of the local PTP members......nice enough...wouldn't trust them.....but have never met a representative from the leading opposition parties...never. Neither has my wife or her father (50 plus years living in the NE).

    So who would you vote for. For many (in my village - most of whom are rice growers by the way) she is still liked (maybe not well liked - but liked). Her "darling of Isan" may be a bit tarnished but the crown is still sitting firmly on her head......for now.

    I think you are a little confused.

    Corrupt, untrustworthy, liars, cheaters all words to describe most politicians (here and elsewhere) but at least with the PTP they lie to your face - in person - versus from a sound bite or news report like the alternative.

    They have even gone to Bangkok to give her a chance to lie to their face and she ignores them and lie's behind their back. Maybe you live in one of the villages that does not even have electricity in it's schools. That would help to explain the farmers attitude. Do your student's have a pad. Did she tell them to their face she would give them one?

    Also though there may be only a few rice farmers there, there is a huge population that depends on them for their livelihood. Also those few farmers have families that depend on them.

    Yingluck flees farmers, protesters

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    This situation is looking more and more like Mussolini's March on Rome. Wonder if Suthep has been reading modern European history for inspiration:

    Mussolini said: "Either the government will be given to us or will shall seize it by marching on Rome."

    Mussolini, with the party’s hierarchy, drew up a blueprint on how to do this.

    1. Fascists would be brought into Rome from all over Italy.

    2. All-important public buildings would be taken over including those outside of Rome in the important cities in the north.

    3. Mussolini would demand the resignation of the government and that a new Fascist government be allowed to take over.

    4. Armed Fascists would be near Rome. If the government failed to meet these demands, they would march into Rome and take over by the use of force.

    The plan was grandiose if naïve. The military in Rome far out-numbered the Fascists who were poorly armed. Many Fascists only had tools brought with them from farms. Many had the wrong clothing for a party that was trying to seize power.

    However, Mussolini gambled on one thing. He believed that the Italian government lead by Facta and the king, Victor Emmanuel, did not want any form of conflict especially as Italy had suffered so much in World War One. Mussolini miscalculated with Facta – he wanted to make a firm stand against Mussolini. But Mussolini was correct with regards to the king. Victor Emmanuel was convinced that any form of conflict would lead to a civil war and he was not willing to contemplate that.

    And the king basically installed Musso as Prime Minister to avoid further conflict ... and you know where things went from there.

    BTW how's Yingluck's reform forum doing?

    (edit correct who's into how's, sorry)

    Sorry, what's your point?

    My point? Yingluck flees farmers, Yingluck talks a lot for foreign audience about democracy, voting rights, reform needed and started by her already. She doesn't have to march on Bangkok, she just stays put till somehow an election has been 'managed' with obviously the Pheu Thai wining and therefore having a mandate. The 'respect my vote' expires after the counting of them.

    BTW it would seem that not only Suthep has scheduling problems, also Ms. Yingluck may sent a representative. For her that's to the NACC to to acknowledge a charge of negligence of duty on her behalf. At least to DSI and Office of the Prosecutor Suthep went himself.

    What is a Fascists.

    If Suthep is a Fascist then it is a good thing. How ever as there is no link to his actions compared to Mussolini one of them can not be a Fascist he did not lead any one to Bangkok. He did not have an army outside Bangkok with farm tools ready to take on the army.

    Suthep is demanding the resignation of a corrupt government and a temporary council to take over that will rewrite the constitution where it needs clarification and put in stiff penalties for breaking it. It will no longer be possible for the government to tell the constitution court they don't care what it says.

    It will then hold an election to choose a new government that will be run under more honesty than Thaksin can even imagine. Yes there will still be corruption that is a given in any kind of government in any country in the world. It how ever will not be to the degree that it is now. Now it is like raping the country.

    The new Government unlike Mussolini will not be governed by a Nazi. Where is the connection to the two?

    Yingluck flees farmers, protesters

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    Dear Lord, this again

    The Dems are not pdrc.

    The pdrc are not the Dems.

    They are not the same.

    They may not be exactly equivalent, but the Dems are happy to 'ride the tiger' ... they go along with everything their former Deputy PM says and does, like sitting out the last election

    "He who rides the tiger can never get off" - old Chinese proverb

    No they didn't. Suthep told the population to boycott the ballot. Abhisit said it was up to the people whether they wanted to boycott the vote going against Sutheps demands.

    There was so much friction between the DEM's and PDRC Suthep gave a veiled threat to Korn for not towing the PDRC line.

    "Get er facts right ya tosser" - Old Australian proverb

    Fact for you, mate: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/690946-thai-democrats-resolve-to-boycott-february-2-election/?utm_source=newsletter-20131221-1509&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

    Headline:Thai Democrats resolve to boycott February 2 election

    Like I said, the Dems sat out the election.

    I was born in Australia, but I learned to read in Canada...

    Relearn or maybe you can read.

    At any rate what the Dem's decide to do is for them selves they did not advocate it for the population. A big difference.

    Yingluck flees farmers, protesters

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    and that her presence could bring inconvenience to the host.

    When she gonna realize that her presence in Thailand brings inconvenience to the people of Thailand .

    The losers line up to take another pot-shot at PM YL. Obviously they have nothing better to do than hang around in the street all day and curse. Now, that's REALLY good for the country. Baloney...go home...you lost.

    They have a lot of things better to do. the main problem is Yingluck won't give them the money they need to do it with. The money she has owed them for months with out any effort to pay it until the farmers started making an issue of it earlier this month. She had the time and the means to do it but she spent the time trying to white wash her brother.

    You are telling the farmers to go home they have lost.

    Just running over with the milk of human kindness aren't you. Not

    Suthep talks to military at Chaeng Wattana

    in Thailand News

    Posted · Edited by hellodolly

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    A few old ladies in wheel-chairs, according to Moonao, Prbkk, Dave and clan.

    wonder just how many of them are actually protesters and how many are police and army?????

    <deleted> does it matter how many were police, how many were army, how many were illegal immigrants? The fact is that the Shin dynasty is in its dying throes. Yingluck still doesn't know how to say "Hey folks, we made a big error here and are really sorry. We had the good intentions towards the rice farmers, but somehow it all went wrong" Not going to happen Shinawats are never wrong.

    By Songkran we will either be getting soaked and having fun or we will be in a civil war because in the eyes of the red shirts Thaksin can do no wrong.

    Tomorrow more farmers arrive with a convoy of tractors and farm equipment.

    Enjoy the show..

    One thing that I can not understand is how the red shirts who are not on the payroll can remain red shirts when the farmers are getting shafted.

    Many of the red shirts depend on the farmers to make their living.

    It is not just the farmers themselves who are being robbed their is a large percentage of the business that depend on them. All ready I have heard rumors the millers are unhappy with the government.

    Edit

    Bad spelling

    Suthep talks to military at Chaeng Wattana

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    This is not about corruption and it is not about reform. Suthep and Abhisit had two years to institue reforms and clean up corruption with zero resistance from anybody.

    The question you have to ask is why is it so important to implement reforms now when they had every opportunity and all the necessary power a couple of years ago?

    What you have, like it or not, are a smattering of Democrat bimbos that are not smart enough to win an election whining and sniveling like car park attendants with their whistles insisting that the elections they can't win be stopped and their place in government be mandated. Well, now that seems fair.....NOT.

    It sounds like you think the Dems had a majority on their own and coule do anything they wanted. The Dems did not have a majority on their own.

    They had a coalition of several parties that Abhisit had to keep happy including Newin and 4 other PPP coalition parties so I do not think they had the necessary power.

    None of us know if this coalition would have held together if he tried to reform anything. In my opinion one of the reasons he was not as effective as he should have been is the fact he had to keep this coalition together.

    If I remember correctly Abhisit stated the need to keep the coalition together as the reason he could not stop all of the corruption.

    "Abhisit stated the need to keep the coalition together as the reason he could not stop all of the corruption"

    May be true.

    But could Abhisit not have stopped the corruption within his own party during that period at least? I assume that doing so should not have had an effect on the coalition?smile.png

    Disclosure - I was not around in those days, so my assumption could be wrong.

    Personally I don't believe he could. I don't think any leader could completely stop the corruption in their own party. Man will always find a way.

    How ever when Abhist took over the PM office corruption was rising very fast and he did manage to stop the rise. After he left office it once again started upwards again.

    One thing that most people over look and has been mentioned here is that Abhist had a minority and needed other parties. One of them that was critical was Newin who brought a very necessary 20 votes with him. All of them were deserters from Thaksin led parties. Now I am not saying that made them corrupt but they defiantly came from a corrupt way of doing politics.

    Suthep talks to military at Chaeng Wattana

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    I think he should drop the word "mass " maybe the word miniscule is more appropriate now .

    They are honest hard working citizens and can not afford to stand around for months. So yes you are right as far as physical goes. But when it comes to moral support he has an army behind him. That is what scares the PTP.

    Read my lips again.....and it is not because I agree with this...but....

    .......the Military will "persuade" Yingluck to go....and better sooner than later...I hope will be fair elections some time after that....

    I agree with you but to have fair elections they will need new guide lines with severe penalties in them. With out that elections would just be another item on the road to national destruction.

    Dishonest Unethical Lawyer

    in General Topics

    Posted

    Phuket has got some international law firms, yet I do not know who "trustworthy" they really are. It is ingrained in these people to be corrupt.

    Seems to me if they are international she would be able to check on there reliability out side of Thailand.

    Not that I think a lot of lawyers. But being out of country if she were to erngage them tyhere it might put some pressure on the ones in Thailand to perform honestly.

    At any rate good luck with it. I have no idea if you were in the wrong or he was in the wrong. But I do know the lawyer is in the wrong.

    Yingluck flees farmers, protesters

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    yingluck will not meet the people. She will say something on TV that is scripted, but she dare not see the protestors. She is a packaged PM. A PM that is brought out to say something then packaged back up and put away again until she needs to make another TV appearance.

    So yingluck actions speak louder than words.

    You state the PDRC don't care for the farmers yet they are protesting shoulder to shoulder.

    You state you care for the famers plight, but can't even take 5 minutes to meet them, look them in the eye and say as much. It is easy to say on TV isn't it puppet.

    You state you care yet put nails on the road to stop them coming into BKK to protest. (principle of democracy)

    You care, but your actions state otherwise.

    Very well said

    Flee? As usual TVF with another red meat posting title. There's no shame in avoiding an angry mob which should be put at a distance in the first place, but this is Thailand. The angry rice farmers ironically standing alongside and in hand with the very reason for their current difficulties in being paid, the PDRC.

    Continues to amaze how the media generally and the haters here on TVF manage to invert a seditious insurrection by illegal actors of a democratically elected government acting in a responsible and genuine manner to maintain the law and the democracy into a cause juste for a gang of criminals and witless advocates of bringing down the entire Thai state down on their own jingoist heads.

    Did you ever stop to consider that she was the reason for the angry mob. Well she was the mouthpiece Thaksin used.

    At any rate have a look at the other post here and you will have a better understanding of the reality here in Thailand. The anti government protestors never promised them 130 billion baht. It was due long before they got together.

    Does that not tell you some thing about her and her coworkers. Rather than try to pay the farmers they spent there time trying to white wash her brother. The farmers were unimportant. They never counted until a few weeks ago when they started protesting. All of a sudden they are a big deal to her. so big a deal that she is working so hard to pay them that she can not even give them five minutes of her time. Never mind the hours they have traveled to see her or the time they have stood in the hot sun.

    Yingluck flees farmers, protesters

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    The dem's pdrc/pcad is at the core of the flaming the rice farmers. What had they done to help the farmers under the rice pledging scheme which they have been trying to 'murder'?

    Planet Earth calling icommunity

    Pardon me but what in the name of creation are you talking about.

    The rice scam had nothing to do with the Democrats they tried to warn the government that it would not work.

    The present situation is 100% proof that they were right. What do you think they could do when they were not allowed to talk in the house. The house didn't need them or any one else they had enough PTP to do any thing they wanted. How has it worked out for them? How has it worked out for Thailand?

    They tried to change it to a workable thing. But they could not get approval from Dubai so they had to sit back and watch the PTP red shirts destroy the farmers. Legally their hands were tied. Having more honor and morals than the PTP red shirt coalition they could not sink to the lows of their opponents. wai.gif

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    Yingluck slammed for disseminate "hate speech"

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    It's The Nation..the sickest charade in media history

    At least watch the video footage, among all the others, and witness a truly horrible speaker.

    Can't blame the nation nor any other media source for an incompetent speaker, thinker, so-called leader.

    Did she burst into tears and state everyone is picking on her and she wants to take her toys and go home ?

    Is that required to determine a poor leader and their poor leadership- how about reading scripts with poor explanation, unable to answer questions, steer conversation around to other topics..is that your idea of a good leader?

    The world LAUGHS at what a FOOL she is! (see cnn interview...a disaster no retard could manage!!!!) have a look

    Are you just making up excuses with silly hypothetical situations?

    I remember the crybaby during the floods though, when pressure was upon her, crying like a baby in that helicopter- unable to manage the situation due to poor decisions, like big bag. Sorry to spoil your crush on the dodo bird.

    I can tell you didn't tune in and watch a single moment of the footage, or else you wouldn't try and compare a political speech to sesame street.

    Can you think up any remotely more clever excuses for her?

    Well I agree with just about every thing that is said here. Except for blaming her for being an incompetent speaker. Makes no difference if it is stupid or brilliant speaking just is not one of her strong points.

    Yingluck slammed for disseminate "hate speech"

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    Someone should dye her hair blonde for her.

    What have you got against blonde's?

    They are the butt of many a personal joke but they are not leading a nation into being the butt of an international joke. My wish for her is that she finds a friend who can explain to her what she is saying and how wrong it is. It is for darn sure none of the friends she has now will or maybe they are all eating out of the trough and don't want to upset her and have her cut them off from the trough. She desperately needs help. Her Caddy can no longer give her enough advice to make the cut.

    Yingluck slammed for disseminate "hate speech"

    in Thailand News

    Posted

    Meh.... Another branch of the war of words.... It's time ALL protagonists stopped spitting their dummies and sat down to play nicely.....ALL means ALL...the brave keyboard warriors of Thaivisa and real people in the real world. coffee1.gif

    No problem here with that. Make the arrangement and I will sit down with her and Suthep and any one else you manage to wangle an invite to.

    I represent a brave key board warrior and a real person in the real world. Just ask any vender who takes my money or my Thai mother in law in her 80's. Or the Thai relatives kids I have helped with schooling above and beyond the free stuff. Also the medical that the wonderful plan does not cover to the tune of a 1,000 baht a month for the mother in law.

    Her speech reflected discrimination by conveying the message that those who did not support farmers (in their attempts to get payment from the scheme) are not sympathetic towards the farmers and did not support the government who was helping them.

    She also took the protesters hostage by saying that she could not settle the problems because they (the protesters) were blocking her good intention to help the farmers and that the protesters systematically organised the rally to topple the government.

    Not sure what kind of a meaningful conversation I could come up with when dealing with that kind of thinking. With Suthep I could at least address some of his concerns as they are based in fact.

    P.S.

    Please don't invite Chalerm this would be the wrong time for a comedy act.

    Super market at the festival mall

    in Chiang Mai

    Posted

    Wake me up when there is a reason to go there. So far I haven't been, and no plans to go.

    [ Airport Plaza you hafta go when you dunk your phone into a pond or crack the screen. Promenada you hafta go when invited to a children's birthday party. (Toys R us), or when you want Chiang Mai's best supermarket pretty much to yourself, with easy parking. Maya you hafta go when you want a reminder of why you really don't want to be in Bangkok and its traffic jams. But Festival... can't think of it. smile.png ]

    New home of AIS and the market is just another Tops with some unusually good cheeses. I really like the Gouda Pesto green and the red one.smile.png

    Raspberry Jam in Chiang Mai

    in Chiang Mai

    Posted

    Somehow I think sugar is an additive. Not found in Smuckers Brothers sugar free.

    Think of the money you could save and not add sugar to your intake. I can assure you here in Thailand you do not have to go out of your way to get an intake of sugar.

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