Scoop1

Canada, just to make it a bit clearer, here a quote from Thai lawyer association.

A registered right of usufruct is not a contract that can be easily terminated by your wife. Usufruct is a real right and as a real property right governed by book IV PROPERTY and not book III CONTRACTS of civil and commercial code.This means that once the right of usufruct is registered it is more or less guaranteed by law and to terminate it your wife would need 1 your consent or 2 a court order to have it removed from the title deed. For example when you would divorce your wife the usufruct could be terminated by a court as part of the division of assets.

After your marriage in Thailand, under Thai matrimonial law, property between husband and wife is governed by the statutory system of property between husband and wife (sections 1465 to 1493 Civil and Commercial Code), therefore any agreements between husband and wife made during the marriage affecting their assets (in conflict with the statutory system) could be set aside by the spouses themselves or a court.

You are protected and your wife is not able to cancel it when she likes, but because you as a foreigner cannot own land in Thailand and buying real estate when married in Thailand often means signing away your rights to the land it is important to obtain legal advice BEFORE you buy land on the name of your Thai spouse. I have included 2 reference links as a start.

Yes, ok Jim. Thank you. I am unsure of what you are trying to tell me. What I have on my land title deeds (or my wife's I should say) is not a usufruct. My lawyer recommended what I previously stated that I did: register a "seet gep gin" (it's actual name on the agreement is longer than that). I did obtain legal advice from two different lawyers before buying land. They both told me that if I wanted my "investment" to be 100 percent secure that I should NOT purchase land here in Thailand.

5 minutes later....Actually what I have is a Usufruct agreement. It's just not called that in Thai. It is called as I referred to it "seet (thi) gep gin" I speak Thai well so I do most of my dealings with Thais in Thai. I didn't know that I had an Usufruct agreement.

for reference and of particular interest, item #6 under myths and facts:

http://www.isaanlawy...in Thailand.pdf

I can't find the reference links that you included.

Daron

Hello Jim and Daron, from what you guys are saying i think an Usurfruct is the safest way to rent property in Thailand, is this your opinion?

Cheers

scoop

Thanks Jim, i have not read the post you mentioned, i have read the other post, but i am not married to a Thai and i dont have a thai gf nor do i have anyone that i would trust with my hard earned, so i am am looking to lease because i have no other option available, but i will read the Joe's post and they are all questions that i will ask the legal firm

cheers

Scoop

I'll agree with Jim and IA,

Land and house in the wife's name. A condo that I can legally own, in my name. If things went south she gets the land and house up north, I get the condo. a 50-50 split

It's all going to be transfered to my son shortly, maybe when's he's older (three or so) he might just boot mom and dad out the door.

I barely trust a lawyer in my home country and I sure wouldn't trust one in Thailand. Especially when it comes to land deals. It's one thing the Thai are very xenophonic about, and won't be changing anytime soon.

Lots of folks that thought they had a solid lock on things found out otherwise. Jim mentioned Farmer Joe, I'll bring up Slipperex's, Search General for a topic called Four ways to loose your property in Thailand

Ken

Thanks for that imformation Ken, i have read that post, and in my honest opininion he made a lot of mistakes trying to beat the system, he also trusted far to many people, and never had a leg to stand on in the end or so it seems, i think if i leased land and it was done properly through a legal firm , i cant see any problem, because the lease would be in my name only

Cheers

Scoop

hi all,i was wondering if anyone has had expierience with leasing land long term, say a 30yr lease, does this happen at all, and when you see ie 50rai for 10,000bt/year , is it possible to lease less than the 50 rai or is that not done

Thanks in advance

It does happen, but usually in conjunction with a land purchase. i.e.. your thai gf/wife puts the property in her name and you secure it by registering a long term lease or what they call " seet gep gin" which gives you the right to do whatever you want on the property. You can register this right for a term of 30 years, or for the rest of your life here, which is what I have done on our land. It'll cost you about 100 baht to have this recorded on the back of the title deed at the land registry office or thousands or baht if you get a lawyer to do it for you. Really. I had a lawyer do my first one and did the rest of them myself.

Not legal, a farang can not give money to a Thai to buy land in the first place. All these alleged schemes to by pass Thai law will not hold up in court no matter what some shyster lawyer tells you as he takes your money. Jim

So Jim, do have land and if so how did you aquire it, if a foreinger can't own land

cheers

scoop1

In my parts of the Buriram world it is unlikely to happen.

If the land is good; price is attractive, it would make much more sense to take it all; subdivide and rent small parcels at a profit.

You will not have many problems getting up to 1500 B per rai for fertile land.

Long term leases, you better consult a lawyer if you plan to make any serious improvements; other wise why would you want such a long term lease ?

Climate changes, crops go out of fashion, people get old and so on.......

i have cosulted a law firm, its more about being able to live in Thailand and have enough room to grow some vegetables, i am wondering about a house and a little bit of land, long term, i wont be growing anything in soil, so i wont need a lot of land

Thank you

cheers

scoop

hi all,i was wondering if anyone has had expierience with leasing land long term, say a 30yr lease, does this happen at all, and when you see ie 50rai for 10,000bt/year , is it possible to lease less than the 50 rai or is that not done

Thanks in advance

Personally I would not cheat. It's not for me. I hold trust and honesty very highly in a relationship and if I was to cheat it would make a mockery or my values.

Very very well said, your girl is so lucky, its a shame that there is not more morally bound people in the world

Cheers

scoop

Hello all, can anyone tell me how many Hydroponic Strawberry growers are there in CM and surrounds, i am looking to set up a small Hyroponic Farm when i move to Thailand in the near future, i have heard the strawberries are not very good in flavour, sounds strange to me that they can't get it right , maybe they use the wrong types of cultivars, i grow them here in Australia and they are outstanding in flavour, so i would be happy to hear from anyone with imformation, about this subject,

Cheers

Scoop

think I deserve this after 40 years hard labour.

Absolutely! Where else could we find this?

Scoop

I also hope the feds learn something, because Australia will have its very own Yala soon, "cross border protection" what a joke, over 800 boat people arrived in Australia in the last 4 days, and the powers to be would not have a clue who they are, it wont be long and Australia will be in very serious trouble from extremists, just like Yala.

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bob fancy asking me that, you no im only an old welder,,lol,

i dont bloody no,, i just plant some seeds, plant them out when big enough and then plant some more seeds,

one of the other boys will no,

thats a very good idea about the plastic bags, i was growing some in pots say a foot round pots, did well but so did the ones in the ground, i think its all about the soil you plant them in,

when i was at home i had lots of small plants outside, the little cherry thai ones just came up from last year,

thats how the mil plants them she just squashes a tom in her fingers and lets it drop on the floor next thing tom plants,

amazing thailand, welcome one and all jake

No offence Jake but I meant to ask Scoop about his one truss method, but I welcome advice from anyone. My knowlege of horticulture is limited to say the least, but I need to learn.

Bob

Hi Bob, sorry for the delayed reply, it is hard to give an exact anwser to your question because there is so many variables that influence the growth, such as, climate, day v night temps, growing conditions, hydroponic v soil , and the actual cultivar you are growing, i have just pricked out 10 tigerella plants on the 2/9/2012 , they are in a 15ltr plastic drum grown hydroponically, i have just pinched out the growing tip, and they are about 500mm high and wont get any higher, i would say i will be picking them in about 3 weeks, but i will take some photos and you can follow their progress if you would like

Cheers

Scoop

When I finally start, I will have 320 sq M of beds in an Aquaponics system (8 x 20 x2 M)

I was thinking of trialing 1 bed for Tomato. They would grow in pea gravel with a constant height water flow thro system.

I was looking for crops with a 30/40 day growth cycle

The one truss system sounds feasible.

Any thoughts on yield per plant?

Thanks Bob

Hi Bob, this is a pic of 9 Hydroponic Tigerella Tomatoes in the 15ltr drum, pic taken 29/9/12 so i update once a week

Considering it will take 7-10 days for germination that does not leave a lot of time for fruit development .

bob fancy asking me that, you no im only an old welder,,lol,

i dont bloody no,, i just plant some seeds, plant them out when big enough and then plant some more seeds,

one of the other boys will no,

thats a very good idea about the plastic bags, i was growing some in pots say a foot round pots, did well but so did the ones in the ground, i think its all about the soil you plant them in,

when i was at home i had lots of small plants outside, the little cherry thai ones just came up from last year,

thats how the mil plants them she just squashes a tom in her fingers and lets it drop on the floor next thing tom plants,

amazing thailand, welcome one and all jake

No offence Jake but I meant to ask Scoop about his one truss method, but I welcome advice from anyone. My knowlege of horticulture is limited to say the least, but I need to learn.

Bob

Hi Bob, sorry for the delayed reply, it is hard to give an exact anwser to your question because there is so many variables that influence the growth, such as, climate, day v night temps, growing conditions, hydroponic v soil , and the actual cultivar you are growing, i have just pricked out 10 tigerella plants on the 2/9/2012 , they are in a 15ltr plastic drum grown hydroponically, i have just pinched out the growing tip, and they are about 500mm high and wont get any higher, i would say i will be picking them in about 3 weeks, but i will take some photos and you can follow their progress if you would like

Cheers

Scoop

Hello Scoop1, it's been a while since I've priced them, but used buckets were

going between B.30-40 each, not always with lids. Some of them need some

work to clean up the insides.

Off to mix up nutes, the plants are hungry.

rice555

Thanks Rice

Scoop

Hello All, since this is a hydro thread, I'll recover one of my plans that

I will be able to finally be able to do after we move from town to farm.

Looks like with poppers you need to clean and rinse off very well before

use as this will be in a recirculating system.

10 X 5Gal buckets and net pots, the roots will be suspended in nutes,

so if the power dies, all is not lost.

rice555

Hi Rice , can you tell me what the bucket is worth?

Cheers

Scoop

It's like saying "I've got a 12" dick, do you think that's too big"?

Hi tomster, if you are in a hurry PM rice555 he will know where to get some,

Cheers

Scoop

PS what are you growing?

Great stuff Jake, that made my day

Scoop

Hi Rice, and GB, thank you for the info, how about we all keep the Hydro thread alive by posting these things on there, and keep all the information on the one thread what do you think?

Cheers

Scoop

Hello All, the main micro mix in the B is : Mgo 7.29%, Fe 1.90, Mn 1.94%, Cu 2.08%,

Zn 1.90%, B 2.17%, Mo .0024%.

The A micro is: Fe 7%.

rice555

Thanks Rice. what is the dilution rate ??

"On the micros, why the salts and not the chelates?" sorry rice i dont understand what you mean???? I think you mean why are they Sulphates and not Chelates?? EXPENSE !!!!!

Hello Scoop1, my US source of 39.6% Mo is 2-Oz.@ U$6.96 or 1-Lb.@ U$57.95

plus shipping. Hydro Gardens CO US.

I'm lazy, the STEM's work OK.

On the micros, why the salts and not the chelates?

rice555

The Mo is a little cheaper at Wesco { 1lb = 454grams } 3000tbt for 1000 grams against US$57.95 { 1,832tbt } for 454grams

Hi Somo, try WESCO in BKK

Cheers

Scoop

Hi scoop.

Sorry to show my ignorance but what is and where is WESCO

http://www.wesco.co.th/home/index.php

give them a call, Knun Veerapol, 085 449 9982 or 02-932-4993-4, somo i have sent you a PM with some information

Hi Somo, try WESCO in BKK

Cheers

Scoop

Hi SundayAfternoon, how are your toms looking at the moment, are they gowing ok?

Scoop

Hmm, bit hard to tell Scoop1, as I've never done this before I have nothing to compare their progress too...

I am noticing a lot of lower leaves turning yellow and shrivelling (dying). The upper ones look fine and healthy, so I don't know if this is normal or a sign of a deficienty of some kind. The plants (5) are faily tall, but not thick and busy, and between them have 20 small, green fruit. Three looked to be getting a bit ripened so I picked them off, haven't tasted them yet, so can't comment on the taste. (Dinner tonight! LOL)

The variety I planted is either Season Red, or TibDaengDang (sp?) - I can't remember which one now. But it's a cherry. I don't know if 20 is a normal amount, or if more will come, but the plants look sparse to me, and given the dying leaves, I don't think they'll be putting forward any more fruit.

Luckily the rains haven't yet been too hard this year, so I'm hopeful that I won't be seeing any fungus, cracking or rot... so far so good.

You lost me a bit with:

''the leaf above the truss, the leaf opposite, and the leaf immediately below the truss, the leaves growing below an immature fruit truss should not be removed because they contribute to to the formation of assimilates and to the remobilisation of mobile nutrients. Leaves retained below the lowest fruit truss on the plant will result in...

Do you mean the ''suckers''?

And, how many stems are you running on each plant?

err.... I think each plant has ONE stem...? Am I missing something?

Hi SundayAfternoon, the leaves i mention are the 3 leaves that surround a fruit truss, and they contribute mostly to that particular fruit truss, if they are removed then the other leaves have to pick up the work load to supply that truss with Assimilates, so if they are healthy they should not be removed for this reason.

The "suckers" you refer to are commonly called "Lateral Shoots" and grow out of the leaf internodes and they end up as other stems if they are allowed to grow, it is up to the grower as to how many of these Lateral Shoots they allow to grow into stems and that depends on the ammount of Photosynthetically Active Radiation { PAR } = { the amount of possible usable sunlight available to the plant }, tomatoes are C3 plants and reach "The light saturation point at around half full sunlight and on cloudy or overcast days the light intensity often falls below this saturation point and photosynthesis in the plants canopy slows. So if you have lots of consistent sunlight you can run more stems if you want, light deficiency symtoms may include, flower or fruitlet drop, plants become elongdated, thin,and pale, and flowers will take longer form.

Are the plants under shade cloth?

Does the dying lower leaves have grey or brown blotches on them, they may have a fungus.

Do you have mulch on top of the soil, because the rain bouncing back up on to the lower leaves is the main contributor to fungal infections from soil born pathogens.

Hope this helps you to understand your plants a little better.

Cheers

Scoop

Hi Rice, hope you are well, i will pm you with the email he sent me

Cheers

Scoop

Hydroponics

There are many ways of growing fresh produce hydroponically, but i think to start with it is best to try and keep it simple for those who have had little or no experience and build up from there, i know this may make boring reading for the more advanced growers but i think it is necessary, as regards to what is needed, i think most people will have something lying around the house or farm that will do just nicely, hydroponics can be as simple or as scientific as you want to make it, its not always lots of pipes and pumps , the most simple and idiot proof way is a simple plant pot or bucket { Plastic } with drainage holes the pot can be filled with an inert substance such as coir { Coco Peat } although coir is not totally inert it is used widely in commercial hydroponic production and normally has an EC { Nutrient Strength }of less than EC .3 and this is fine for hydroponics , after you have potted the plant its time to feed it some nutrients and any excess will just run out of the bottom of the pot, so you really cant drown your plant, that is the simplest way, very very basic which is called "Run To Waste" or an "Open System". As for the nutrients! this is where the decision making begins , if you buy pre-made then you have to totally rely on a manufacturer for your nutrient needs, which can get expensive if using a lot and also you dont know exactly what is in the nutrients and at what amounts , that are in the bottles, and there have been manufacturers sued because what was written on the bottle was not what was in the bottle, and if you have to buy nutrients, in Australia it can cost up to $180 for 4ltrs of Part A and Part B ,and its only worth about $5 to make yourself , i personally think that anyone wanting to grow hydroponically should learn how to make there own and then they are in total control, which is what hydroponics is about, total control over the growing environment. For people just starting out with, lets say, 6 pots with Pak Choy it probably be better to buy pre made to start with and see how you go , making your own is not that hard, you just need to learn a few calculations and have a good set of digital kitchen scales

Hope this helps a someone

Scoop

ok so how do we make the feed ? very good post by the way thanks

Hi cdmtdm, did you understand my post about the hydroponic nutrients, post 60

Cheers

scoop