CMHomeboy78

For an interesting read on this subject, check out the following:

On the Believability of Northern Thai Spirit mediums.

Jack Blimes.

Journal of The Siam Society. Vol.83 Parts 1&2 [1995]

It can be read on the JSS website and downloaded as a PDF file.

The KSK Mall is old and tired, but I rather like going there. The food court inside Tops seems to have more appetizing offerings than the one further in, but both are OK. The Tops Market itself is first class. It think the big red fortress will always be there, because who could ever afford to demolish it?

As for all of these new malls, time will tell if there's enough baht in town to support them all. I moved here, glad to be out of the mall culture. But I guess there is no escape.

That's right Frank, no escape.

Incidentally, do you have any connection to Frank James other than avatar name and photo?

One of my great-grandfathers, who had been a Mosby guerrilla in Virginia, became a horse dealer in St. Louis after the war and knew Frank James quite well in the 1880's not long after Jesse was shot in the back by Robert Ford, then a guest in the house - "The dirty little coward who gunned down Mr. Howard, and laid poor Jesse in his grave" as the old song says.

Wow, hey thanks for the great info cmhomeboy, you must have a lot of experience

with it. Will check them out! Kob khun mak!

Anytime Bro.

Welcome to the forum.

Many good silk screen printers in Chiang Mai.

These are probably the best:

Chiang Mai Thanakorn [Jipata]. 8 Sirimangklachan Rd., Soi 9, A. Muang. Tel. 053-400847-9

All Smile. 258-260 Mu 5. CM - lampang Rd. A. Muang. Tel. 053-872539-40.

Sky T-Shirt. 266 Phra Pokklao Rd., T. Sriphum. A. Muang. Tel. 053- 211453.

If you have original designs with shading and halftones, they will have to be done on Digital to Garment [DTG] inkjet machines. Unavailable in Chiang Mai. Try Chang Anand in Bangkok.

Choke dee.

30 years ago? 1983. let's see. There was a Burger King at the end of Patpong Road. The Foodland Supermarket was there then and then there was the Villa Market on Sukhumvit (also still there today) Soi 22 was a slum area. I know because I lived in one there. Department stores - NO. I remember going out to buy a fridge, table chairs, kitchen buffet and cooktop at the time and there were no stores. All you could buy was Sanyo Fridges, Sony Trinitron TVs. Taxis no meters, every trip was negotiated. Phuket had a small domestic airport. A night or day ferry to Samui, again no airport. No hotels. hardly any motor vehicles and dirt tracks. Chiang Mai - so beautiful and rural. I could go on for a long time. Hehehe Thai TV. Abut 4 farang shows per week. ABC Wide World of Sports on a Sunday. Followed by Ripleys. Cartoon came on after the news, All off by 2300 (or thereabouts). Only source of news,. The Bangkok Post every morning. Thailands 3rd Choice of beer sapart from Singha and Amarit appeared. Kloster. Patpong was THE centre of Thai social life and entertainment. Nana hotel and the coffee shop there but not much else. Certainly no NEP or beer bars. The Ambassador Hotel, with all the birds in the big cages as you walked in. The Dicken Pub. Thermae Coffee shop - or 'Starwars Cafe'. Soi Cowboy - a motely collection of few dingy bars mostly frequented by Oil Riggers. I had never hear of Kao Sarn Road in 1983. The area aroubnd the Malaysia Hotel was where the hippies all hung out. Apat from Samui and Phuket, who were about the only ones there. (backpackers) Cowboy moved out of Soi Cowboy and opened his new bar just up the road from me in Washington Square. Siam Centre was the only ritzy shopping centre like we know today. One went to the pictures at Siam or Scala, or washington to sit in the aircon hahaha. Siam Park was going then,. We would often take the kids out on a Sunday. In the back of what they called 'Super Loos' then. Exchange rate around 22-23 - 1 AUD

40 Years ago. Wow. it was different then! The R&R Hotels were the go. Club sandwiches and milkshakes in the coffee shop. Juke Box with farang hits. Air con Rooms. Swimming pool. The actual bar scene wasn't that big really. Massage parlours were the go. A couple of bars around Asoke owned by some former US GIs. 'The Dirty Old Ma's Club' - US Military BOQ and R&R Centre at the Windsor Hotel. had a nice little bar downstairs. Taxi were a big Yank Tank with a driver who you would hire for the duration of your visit. if you got a good one then it was sit back and enjoy the ride!! and what a ride.

Early 70s, it would be remiss of me not to give the coffee shop at the Grace Hotel a very special mention. Unbelievable.

Yeah changed alright, but then so has everything else.

"...the Malaysia Hotel was where the hippies all hung out." Also the likes of Charles Sobhraj and Ajay Chowdury.

I agree that many things have changed, and not for the better, especially in Chiang Mai, but there were dangers that the modernization of Thailand has lessened, if not entirely eliminated.

It's a different place today.

Thanks homeboy, have you any contact details?

You still didn't tell me if you wanted a few for yourself, or a lot for resale.

If it's the latter, then I would definitely recommend the DanD line. The company seems to be quite big, with a website - www.42dan.com . As I mentioned, there are vendors at Wororot where you can get samples and check-out the colors.

I'm a graphic artist, into a variety of things, but mostly paintings. My main source of dinero is artcards printed from my originals. Early this year I had the idea of working up some designs for T-shirts.

I've had nothing but trouble with the technical end of it. I won't go into tedious detail - suffice it to say that my artwork can't be printed by silk screen because there is shading and halftones that need to be done on a Digital to Garment [DTG] inkjet machine. Unavailable in Chiang Mai, I've made two trips to the Big Mango already trying to get things sorted out.

The only thing easy about this whole business was the sourcing of T-shirts. It's really a buyer's market here with many good Thai brands, as well as a lot coming in from China.

I'm sure you'll get what you want.

Choke dee.

Do you want just a few for yourself, or a large quantity for commercial purposes?

The DanD brand, made in Bangkok have a line of 100% cotton blank T-shirts of acceptable quality that are priced at 70 and 80 baht for "L" and "XL". Large orders direct from the factory could probably be had for less than that.

Samples can be bought at Wororot Market in the small outlets on the upper level across from the defunct escalator.

For a commercial venture, these DanD T-shirts are a good combination of OK quality and low-price.

yes!! TOA

Welcome to the forum.

You've gotten off to a good start by giving me a "like" and enthusiastically endorsing TOA products. They are very good indeed, and competitively priced. But the prices do vary, as already noted, so shop around.

Happy painting, and happy posting!

Evan Williams ?, whats that Welsh whiskey ?

regards Worgeordie

No, it's genuine Kentucky Bourbon... low-priced but quite good, to my taste anyway.

I don't know the history of it, but Evan himself was probably Welsh,or of Welsh descent. The name sounds Welsh, doesn't it?

CPA Media...

and anything written by Dr Andrew Forbes is highly recommended.

You can find a full selection of oil and acrylic paints, canvases and stretchers, brushes, student-quality wood carving tools, ceramic tools and clays, paper and card stock, and other crafts supplies in good number (for northern Thailand, that is) in the upper two floors of the book/stationary store a few doors in from the UN Irish Pub. It's the first place I look when needing craft supplies.

Central, in Kad Suen Kaew has a small selection of paints, brushes, canvases and papers in the back of the book store area.

I agree with you; probably the best - certainly the biggest - art store in Chiang Mai is Udompon on Ratvithi near Sompet Market. Followed by Likisin on Sri Poom and the B2S outlets, as already mentioned, in Airport Plaza and Central KSK.

The only problem is that the quality of most of the goods on offer leaves a lot to be desired. There are some exceptions, LeFranc&Bourgeois oils, acrylics, and mediums; Daler Rowney linseed oil and turpentine; W/N Liquin and a few other things.

As regards tools and materials for craftwork, the situation is even worse. These stores have very little, and what they do have is, as you noted about the wood-carving tools, student quality

The Kohn Muang and the hilltribes have been producing fine and decorative artwork for centuries. Anyone interested in arts and crafts should try to make contact with the craftspeople themselves for tools, materials, and insight into their highly refined folkarts.

Arts & Crafts stores that would be familiar to Americans and Europeans do not exist here to my knowledge.

As an artist myself, I bring most of what I need from the US.

Art supplies - of mostly student quality - are available at several shops in Chiang Mai. For supplies related to specific crafts - woodcarving, pottery, jewelery-making, etc., I would suggest you go to where those things are being made and ask where to buy tools and supplies. Ban Tawai, for instance.

Choke dee.

I love Cathay.

Dragonair are part of Cathay; last time I checked the connections for the Chiang Mai flight weren't sensible, and pricing was high too; this may have changed.

Being a smaller regional carrier, I doubt they have premium eco on the HKG-CNX flight. (Most don't offer premium eco even on HKG-BKK). However that's a 2.5 hour flight, so less of an issue than the big jump between the US and Hong Kong.

Another airline to look into is Korean Air; they too fly direct into Chiang Mai.

+1... I've used the JFK - Seoul - CNX Korean Air service both ways for several years now, and one of my daughters is coming in on Korean Air from Washington, DC at the end of this month,

It's not the cheapest way to go, but it's certainly the most convenient if you live in Chiang Mai. You completely avoid Bangkok, and the Cobra Swamp that lies outside it.

They have an office at CM Airport and I've always found them to be courteous and efficient. The food on the flights could be better, in my opinion, but that's my only complaint.

11 derailments in nine months is a worse record than the Hornby train set I had as a kid. Blimey!

I had Lionel trains when I was a kid, and I used to stage some horrific accidents... but nothing like the unmanned diesel locomotive that was sent crashing into the main waiting area of Hua Lamphong Station back in the '80's.

I've never seen top-of-the-line calligraphy pens or drafting instruments for sale in Chiang Mai.

You can usually find student grade supplies. Staedler is probably the best of a mediocre lot. Too bad because fine quality drawing instruments are a pleasure to use, and last a lifetime if well cared for. I'm still using a small pair of Keuffel+Esser dividers that I bought as an art student in New York in the 1960's.

If you were interested in traditional Chinese calligraphy, then you are in a good place to buy brushes, bamboo pens, ink blocks, ink stones, saa paper,etc. Chinese shops here in Chiang Mai have it all.

Heading out by car shortly. 8 AM bus was full. Did not want to wait for 9:30

yes, you do need to plan ahead slightly and make a booking a few days before departure.

+1 again... and if you want to get a particular seat - 1A for instance - book at least a week in advance.

Heading out by car shortly. 8 AM bus was full. Did not want to wait for 9:30

Happy trails.

Sit back in a Green Line VIP coach, read a book, have a nap. No need to bite your knuckles, fingernails. I've seen these van drivers at work, and a border run is not worth risking one's life.

+1...that's a good way to do it.

The Greenbus leaves from the Arcade at the new Terminal 2 at 8 AM and arrives in Mae Sai before 1 PM in the afternoon. You can book a return trip for 3:30 PM or 4:30 PM.

The last time I did it, the 3:30 PM return gave me plenty of time to go through immigration and browse the booze at the duty-free shop in Tachilek.

You've gotten some very good replies to your question.

I've always found TOA paint, interior, exterior, and polyurethane varnish for woodwork, to be durable and a good value for the money.

You say, "I don't want to take a chance of cheaper paint blistering and peeling in a couple of years." But - not to insult your intelligence - this will happen even with top quality paint if the surface is not prepared properly. It should be scraped, as jackr said, wire brushed, and have a bleach solution applied if mold or mildew are present. Primer is only necessary on areas of raw cement or wood. Spot priming is all that is needed as long as the areas of old paint are adhering well and have been gone over with sandpaper or a wire brush.

Perhaps this is stating the obvious, but people who have never worked in the building trades often don't know it.

Thanks for the detailed reply.

But I'm still not convinced that Grandjean was talking about the Kampang Din.

The Finlayson Map is visual evidence, of a sort, and reinforced by the added note "before the inner wall was removed."

Your evident bias against missionaries has possibly led you to underestimate Grandjean as a reliable witness.

You've probably read Carl Bock's Temples and Elephants. Did a more obnoxious farang ever set foot in Lanna Thai? His tactlessness was almost comical. Not to mention the fact that he plundered and desecrated religious sites as well. Yet his writings and observations are generally accepted as factual.

Maybe it's a good idea to put aside our prejudices when evaluating historical information.

I'm not going to argue the point at length.

I just outlined what I thought was a plausible explanation for Grandjean's reference to a "double girdle of walls" in saying that it was possibly the Kampang Din that he was referring to. I have no vested interest in promoting this view.

Another thing that makes me doubt that the Chiang Mai fortifications ever included double walls and moats is the fact that no trace of an outer [or inner] wall has ever been found. Surely if one had existed - even one going back to the time of King Mengrai - some remains, above or below ground would exist.

As far as I know, it is only the Finlayson Map and the word of Grandjean that say so. Even taken together they don't amount to a compelling case for the existence of double walls and moats defending Chiang Mai.

I am also not going on the defensive against a charge of "bias against missionaries." The fact that many, if not most of them are brainless bigots is self-evident. There have always been exceptions, I'm sure we can agree.

I'm not anti-Christian in any way.

Although I have a profound respect for, and interest in Buddhism, I've been a Catholic since a few days after I came into this world, and that's the way I'll go out.

Amen Bro.

Thanks for the detailed reply.

But I'm still not convinced that Grandjean was talking about the Kampang Din.

The Finlayson Map is visual evidence, of a sort, and reinforced by the added note "before the inner wall was removed."

Your evident bias against missionaries has possibly led you to underestimate Grandjean as a reliable witness.

You've probably read Carl Bock's Temples and Elephants. Did a more obnoxious farang ever set foot in Lanna Thai? His tactlessness was almost comical. Not to mention the fact that he plundered and desecrated religious sites as well. Yet his writings and observations are generally accepted as factual.

Maybe it's a good idea to put aside our prejudices when evaluating historical information.

As observers many missionaries did report an accurate account of things at least through their eyes. They did try to at least view first hand. Personally I have little respect for their in my view cultural genocide but as reporters they are often true.

I would agree with that as well. Missionaries have left some of the most valuable and accurate accounts of life in 19th century Chiang Mai. McGilvary's book, A Half Century Among the Siamese and the Lao is a good example.

The Payap University archives have letters, photos, and other material from missionary families in Chiang Mai that I would very much like to have access to. I'm working on that.

Thanks for your input.

'But how can the map be explained? In my opinion - and not to labor the point - the Finlayson Map is a symbolic representation of Chiang Mai as a celestial city with the royal residence as Mt. Meru at the center'.

I second that.

Thank you for a fascinating contribution.

And all the best to you and your projects.

"Nothing Grandjean saw in Chiang Mai seemed to please him. He was critical of almost everything."

It sounds like he was a prototypical Thai Visa member.

You also state that Grandjean mentioned that the city had "a double girdle of walls." Wouldn't that tend to confirm the authenticity of the controversial Finlayson Map of Chiang Mai?

What's your take on that?

Yes, Grandjean sounds quite modern in many ways; but at least he did everybody the favor of leaving when he did.

As regards the Finlayson Map, I would refer you to Dr Andrew Forbes' The Ancient History of Chiang Mai, vol. III [CPA Media 2011].

Forbes is one of the leading authorities on questions relating to this map.

Dr George Finlayson [1790-1823], who was a member of the Crawfurd Mission to Bangkok [1822] never claimed to have visited Chiang Mai himself. Therefore I didn't include him among the "Chiang Mai Farangs."

The "authenticity" of the map that bears his name isn't really in doubt. Its provenance is documented to approximately the time of its production. It was among his papers at his untimely death at age thirty-three in Calcutta, and arrived at the British Library via the East India Company shortly thereafter.

Whether or not the Finlayson Map is an accurate representation of Chiang Mai at the time [c.1820] of its creation is another question that has often been debated.

That it is the work of a Thai is generally accepted, in spite of the fact that it is drawn on [presumably] English paper with an 1814 watermark. So 1814 and 1822 - when Finlayson was in Bangkok and acquired it - bracket the year of its making.

At this time European cartography had far surpassed anything that was produced in East Asia. The map in question is most probably the work of a local cartographer; and its original notations in flawless Pah-sah Glahng make that even more probable. It was subsequently marked at the top margin in pen in English script "Cheung Mai", and directly below that in a smaller hand, "before the inner wall was removed." Finlayson himself possibly wrote that. It would be interesting to know if there is any other instance of his spelling the city's name in this anomalous way.

The map shows - in a highly stylized manner - a double girdle of walls, just as Grandjean notes, and a walled inner precinct with the residence of the ruler at the center. This schematic is contradicted by the expert testimony of Captain McLeod on his visit in 1839; five years before Grandjean, and twenty or so after the drawing of the map.

McLeod states unequivocally that there was one wall and moat. He was a trained military engineer and part of his brief was to evaluate and report on the defences of Chiang Mai. We can take his word for it, or we can take the word of Grandjean, a religious-nut whose sole purpose was the mass-conversion of the entire population.

I think that what Grandjean meant by a second wall was the actually the Kampang Din, built [or possibly rebuilt] by Chao Kawila c.1800, around the time he refounded the city and restored the Kampang Muang.

This conjecture seems even more likely because there once existed walls defending the northern suburbs as well.

Professor Hans Penth during the 1960's traced the flattened remains of walls from near the northwest Hua Rin corner going north, then turning eastward past the White Elephant Monument to the Nong Bua, once a swamp and lake near the northeast Sri Phum corner where the Kampang Din began.

Therefore, in Grandjean's time there would have been an almost continuous outer wall from near the Hua Rin corner to near the Ku Ruang corner in the southwest of the city.

I feel certain that what Grandjean was referring to was the Kampang Din and its northern extension.

But how can the map be explained? In my opinion - and not to labor the point - the Finlayson Map is a symbolic representation of Chiang Mai as a celestial city with the royal residence as Mt. Meru at the center.

I hope I have - to some extent - answered your question without confusing the matter even more.

Chiang Mai Farangs - In Perspective.

After the Richardson and McLeod missions [1829-37] Chiang Mai was visited in 1844 by the French Catholic missionary M. Grandjean, whose report was published in the Annales de la Propagation de la Foi.

There is a paucity of biographical information about him in English, so I have had to rely on his writings alone. Based on these, it is hard not to judge him unfavorably in many respects when compared to the Catholics who were in China - Matteo Ricci and others - and the aristocratic French Jesuits who were at the court of King Narai in the 17th century.

Nothing Grandjean saw in Chiang Mai seemed to please him. He was critical of almost everything. Blind to the art and culture of the Chaos, and the highly refined folk arts of the Kohn Muang, he was only interested in converting them all to Christianity. A mindset that was to become increasingly common with the arrival of the Rev. Daniel McGilvary and the American Protestants in the 1860's.

Grandjean and his party left Bangkok on 5 December 1843 and, "Passing up the Mienam as far as Thoen we abandoned our boats, and engaged elephants to travel through a country of immense mountains and perilous defiles where we had only the shade of forrest-trees to protect us by day, and large fires at night to keep off the multitudes of wild beasts."

They reached Chiang Mai on 18 January 1844, where they stayed for two and a half months. He noted that, "This kingdom is the farthest to the west of all the States of Laos, and it is the most considerable. Xieng Mai is built at the foot and to the east of a pretty high mountain, on a large and beautiful plain. It has a double girdle of walls, both surrounded by broad and deep ditches. The interior circumference is - if the King is to be believed who told me - a thousand fathoms long by nine hundred broad. It is not easy to estimate the population. The eldest son of the King assured me that it contained more than one hundred thousand souls; but he evidently exaggerated, and largely. After having traversed Xieng Mai many times and in all directions, I do not believe that we can give it more than twenty thousand inhabitants, even including the different suburbs which are without the walls. To the east of the city, and at only three or four minutes from the fortified space, runs a river, the banks of which are partly covered with houses; unfortunately, they are all inhabited by the bankrupts of Bangkok, who have fled there, changing their names, to shun the pursuit of their creditors. The King willingly gives them asylum, because they increase his power and revenues. In this State the villages are very numerous; but not having seen them I cannot state the total population."

The barbaric practice of tattooing didn't escape his attention, "There are ordinarily distinguished two kinds of Laocians - one of whom are called Thaung Dam, that is, Black-bellies, and the other who are called Thaung Khao, that is, White-bellies. They are thus named, because the men of the race of Black-bellies, when they arrive at the age of fourteen or sixteen years, are accustomed to have drawn upon their bodies different figures of men, flowers, elephants, tigers, serpents, and other animals. This operation they perform by making, by means of needles joined together, a number of punctures upon the epidermis; they then apply a black ink, which brings out all the designs traced upon the skin; they quietly bathe themselves afterwards, and the impression is ineffaceable. The tatooing is not executed without pain. However as the young Laocians cannot obtain wives if they lack this kind of beauty, there is not one amongst them who does not voluntarily submit to this painful operation. The White-bellies, on the contrary, are contented with their natural graces."

And food... "They commonly live on rice, without any other seasoning than a kind of very strong red pepper - to which the mouth of a European can scarcely accustom itself - or little fishes, which they pound and cause to rot previously; I never could prevail upon myself to eat them. These people have a great many cattle, very small, which have scarcely any milk, and which they never think of using. When we told them that in our country the milk of the cow was much esteemed, and that it formed a savory food, they laughed, and only held our countrymen in contempt." So much for Lanna Thai Cuisine

Grandjean's comments about women are similar to those expressed by the Portuguese in the 16th century, and by other travellers in other periods, up to and including our own. He continues, "As regards the women, they are more active, more industrious, and more intelligent than the men. They have an undoubted empire over their husbands, and can drive them away when they are not content with them."

The Buddhist Religion and Sangha failed to impress him favorably, "At Xieng Mai there are nearly as many pagodas as houses; we cannot take a step without encountering them to the right or to the left. There are reckoned in this city alone at least a hundred, which are each inhabited by ten, twenty, or thirty talapoins, without mentioning those, in very great numbers, which have fallen into decay, and which they do not repair. As for these talapoins, they are almost all young men, who scarcely know how to read, and who pass their time in sleeping, gaming, or in doing worse still. I have sometimes reproached them with having no other religion than the depraved desires of their hearts, and they have acknowledged it without blushing."

In early April of 1844 Grandjean and his party finally decided to leave. "Departing from Xieng Mai we reached the same day another small kingdom, called Lapoun, to the south of Xieng Mai. On our arrival, we repaired to the seat of government, the town-hall of the place, where we found six to eight mandarins, who assembled there everyday to hear the complaints of the people, adjudicate disputes, and administer public affairs. They asked us who we were, from whom we came, and what business had brought us to the country. They knew already, for many of them had been at Xieng Mai; but these are the questions which they are accustomed to begin the conversation. We took advantage of them to announce the good tidings of Jesus Christ. A mocking laugh was almost the only answer which they gave us. They permitted us, however, to install ourselves in a kind of room, situated within the city, where we admonished, from morning to night, the curious who came to examine us. We were never at rest. During the night, forty to fifty talapoins met outside of our asylum, beating the drum, and uttering vociferations which did not allow us an instant of repose; sometimes they even threw stones against our dwelling, but without, nevertheless, pushing the insult further. After having uselessly complained at the town-hall, I took the resolution of going alone to the King. I entered his palace without being announced, and spoke to him with such boldness that he was afraid, and immediately prohibited these talapoins from molesting us in future. They obeyed him; but as these people were anything but disposed to receive the Word of God, we shook the dust from our feet and directed our course towards the southeast." Good riddance.

After Grandjean, the next farang whose record of a visit has been kept was Sir Robert Schomburgk, British Consul at Bangkok. He travelled to Chiang Mai on the Ping River upstream via Tak and Lamphun, arriving on 14 February 1860.

His visit and the subsequent arrival of the Rev. Daniel McGilvary will be the subject of my next post.

McGilvary was the first farang who came, and came to stay. His remains are in the CM Foreign Cemetery to this day. So he was the first "Chiang Mai Farang" in the truest sense of the term.

McGilvary was soon followed by other American Presbyterian missionaries, and later by employees of the British teak companies and consular staff. These resident farangs began a new era in Chiang Mai history that I will try to summarize as best I can.

To be continued.....

Update: Sunday, August 4th.

I drove up with my wife and a couple of her friends.

Immigration - both Thai and Burmese - was smooth. No changes, no surprises, and no hassles.

In Tachilek, the duty-free shop near the bridge was well-stocked as usual. The consensus seems to be that most, if not all, of what they sell is genuine. I still check the labels carefully to see if anything looks suspicious - misspelled words, etc.

What I wanted was Mandalay Rum, but they didn't have it.

Here are some random prices for those who may be interested. One litre bottles unless otherwise noted. Prices in baht.

Scotch:

Chivas Regal 990.

Dewar's [12 y.] 990.

JW Black 1250.

Bracklyn 390.

J&B 520.

Ballantines Finest 390.

" [17 y.] 1350.

Clan Gold 250.

Famous Grouse [12 y.] 790.

Glenlivet [15 y.] 990.

" [18 y.] 2500.

Clynelish [14 y.] 1450.

Glenkinchie [12 y.] 1690.

Macallan [12 y.] 2100.

Talisker [10 y.] 750ml 1500

Balvenie [12 y.] 1850.

Deanston [12 y.] 700ml 890.

Bourbon:

A very poor selection. I was looking for Evan Williams - a real Kentucky Bourbon and dirt-cheap in the States. But they didn't have it here.

Jim Beam Black 650.

Knob Creek 990.

Rum:

Meyers 750ml 390.

Captain Morgan 520.

Havana Club 750ml 390.

Vodka:

Absolut 420.

Smirnoff Black 590.

" [18 y.] 1900.

Danzka 430.

Miscellaneous:

Jameson Irish 700ml 590.

Jack Daniel's 690.

Bailey's Irish Cream 550.

Grand Marnier 790.

Cointreau 680.

Benedictine 790.

And a lot of vino from quite a few different countries. Those knowledgeable about vintage and price would probably find something to their liking.

Bottoms up!