CMHomeboy78

Have you tried Baan Twaey? Not sure of the spelling, but it's not really a tourist place. Buyers from around the world buy from there for their stores. All kinds of wood items from furniture to statues. Furniture manufacturer s are there also.

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Ban Tawai... that's the best advice anybody could give you, Choonpon. Go for it!

 

Yes, but that's 19th century, not now we live in 21th century. We have DNA test to emphasize new theories. Languages or physical changes over time but DNA tell more deeper of the origins, not that languages are less important.

To always compare appearances to look for similarities is for me sketchy. Since people who look totally different can still have more close DNA connection then their supposed kinship.

Works of Hui Li is a great evidence on Daic populations and on their immigration routes. In his research he took many blood samples from different ethnic groups and compared relations among them.
Tai people in northern Thailand (Khon Muang) today are of West group. Immigration into south east asia was just some 2000 years ago, quite recent.

http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/A08.pdf

Please read more info in the link below.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0060822

194 samples from four additional populations were genotyped in this study: Han (Yunnan), Dai (Dehong), Dai (Yuxi) and Mongolian. The results of genetic distance comparisons, genetic structure analyses and admixture analyses all indicate that populations from northern origin hypothesis have large genetic distances and are clearly differentiated from the Tai. The simulation-based ABC analysis also indicates this. The posterior probability of the northern origin hypothesis is just 0.04 [95%CI: (0.010.06)]. Conversely, genetic relationships were very close between the Tai and populations from southern origin or an indigenous origin hypothesis. Simulation-based ABC analyses were also used to distinguish the southern origin hypothesis from the indigenous origin hypothesis. The results indicate that the posterior probability of the southern origin hypothesis [0.640, 95%CI: (0.5240.757)] is greater than that of the indigenous origin hypothesis [0.324, 95%CI: (0.2110.438)]. Therefore, we propose that the genetic evidence does not support the hypothesis of northern origin. Our genetic data indicate that the southern origin hypothesis has higher probability than the other two hypotheses statistically, suggesting that the Tai people most likely originated from southern China.

Thank you for your reply and reading.

Konjianghai

 

Genetic studies, if they are carried out properly by capable people, would probably influence the controversy more than anything else.

When I have more time I will study the material in the links you provided.

Incidentally, I'm a graphic artist, not an academic; but I have spent most of my adult life in Chiang Mai. I have an abiding interest in the history, and a love for the traditions and culture of the Kohn Muang among whom I live and have a family.

Many thanks for the information you have provided.  I can assure you that it is much appreciated.

Everything these people do is done for a reason...

and for some reason they're not trying to keep a low-profile at present.

Would you be more specific, please.

Does the work you want done require woodcarving, or is it cabinetwork?

Or something else?

The original homeland of Daic people or Tai-Kadai speakers is in Guangxi and Guangdong in south eastern China. Note that not all Tai-Kadai speakers are of Tai-Kadai ethnic since some ethnic do live among the Tai-Kadai speakers there for the infuences is high. To anyone who is interested on this might want to search up on the internet for more informations, please look up at Daic/Tai-Kadai/Zhuang/BaiYue or hundred Yue. You should make connections with these. And if you want to look up further you will come across with Liangzhu culture.
Hope this help.

Linguistic studies would suggest China as the original homeland of the T'ai people, and there is no hard evidence to prove otherwise.

Before the 6th century BC when the Chinese first recorded their existence, all is conjecture.  Nobody knows.

The proto-history of Southeast Asian races is very well summed-up in D.G.E.Hall's  A History of South-East Asia [St. Martin's Press].

According to Hall, the theory that the T'ai originally came from Central Asia was put forward by westerners in the 19th century, based on racial similarities with other Central Asian peoples and native Americans, who are believed to have originated there as well.

That seems to be the most plausible explanation; at least until compelling evidence turns up to contradict it.

Thanks for your reply.

Sorry, but I don't recall seeing any references to the Tai people as having Altaic origins, nor are there any lingustic connections between the Tai languages and the Altaic languages. The Altaic groups form a broad northern arch from Turkey (relatively recent nomadic migrants into present day Turkey) up and over northern Asia and then back down into Korea and Japan.

There are several theories about the origins of the T'ai race.

Central Asia seems to be favored over places like Vietnam and Polynesia.

I really don't know myself.  I'm just repeating what most historians have written since the 19th century. If there have been any recent discoveries to challenge that view I would be interested in knowing about them because it is a subject that interests me.

Thanks for your input.

We live near Wat Muang Guy and the Gymkhana Club.

Over the years we've had some bad flooding. The problem in our area could be solved by building a floodwall from about where the iron bridge is, to the Holiday Inn in Nong Hoi.

It's not rainfall that causes the flooding where we are, it's the Ping River overflowing its banks.

There was a contentious thread last year where several members challenged me on this and insisted that the problem was caused by the drainage system being flooded, and the Siriwattana housing development blocking runoff. I can remember flooding in Nong Hoi when Siriwattana was a ricefield and the drainage system in the talad area was ditches covered by old boards.

The river is the problem, and until a proper floodwall is built we are going to be flooded out every few years.

Thank you so much for this very interesting piece. It is always a pleasure to learn from your writings.

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...and thank you for your encouragement.

I sincerely appreciate it.

Funny that because I find getting all sorts of things (small services on my car, repairs to clothes etc) done here in Thailand amazingly easy and pleasant compared with, say, Europe. Do you mean to say that no Thai or indeed carpenter of any nationality working here is not interested in doing a job for a couple of hours for which I would be prepared to pay around 500 Baht, well over the standard minimum daily working wage? Thanks for the reply btw

You may find someone to do it - and I hope you do - but it has been my experience that most good carpenters here don't want to do small jobs unless they have done other work for you in the past.

The more people [preferably Thais] you talk to, the better your chances of finding someone.

Again, good luck.

I don't think many good and competent people would be interested in coming in for such a small job.

Try to find a shop that will repair it, and take it in yourself. Some places might pick it up themselves.

If possible, make contact with tradesmen through Thais and keep a low-profile yourself. That has always worked for me.

Good luck.

It sounds like arrested development in both your cases.

The military let her go for a reason... but what that reason is, is hard to guess.

The topic of the discussion sounds interesting and I'm sure it will be well-attended.

However, for those who are unable to attend, will there be a published - or posted - summary of what the ten secrets are after the meeting?

What a great idea for a special promotion on our Facebook page or something. Hmm, gotta do some thinking.

(You are a member of CEC, aren't you? Only members are going to be told, you know.)

I might join up just to learn your secrets.

The CEC is getting as secretive as Skull and Bones!

One of my grandfathers was a Bonesman at Yale, but he went to his grave without telling anything.

The topic of the discussion sounds interesting and I'm sure it will be well-attended.

However, for those who are unable to attend, will there be a published - or posted - summary of what the ten secrets are after the meeting?

They wouldn't be secrets if everybody knew them

If he thinks the CM Expats are going to keep his secrets, then he's in for a surprise.

The topic of the discussion sounds interesting and I'm sure it will be well-attended.

However, for those who are unable to attend, will there be a published - or posted - summary of what the ten secrets are after the meeting?

Does Prayuth really want Thaksin back?

Maybe he heard Lyndon Johnson's remark about J.Edgar Hoover... "Better to have him inside the tent peeing out, than outside the tent peeing in."

In UK they are double or triple that btw

And the difference in wages is............. ?

Not that much really...

if you consider taxes and, as mccw says, cost of living.

Most impressive thing about CM for me has to be Khao Soi. Easily my all time favorite Thai food. Usually get it on the ring road near the river. Sorry but no idea on the name of the place

Next time you're in Chiang Mai try the Khao Soi at the little Thai place opposite the iron bridge between Rim Ping and Dukes.

To answer Part B - I'd go to GranMonte winery in Khao Yai, their Rosé is quite good as is their Viognier. Accept visitors and have accommodation.

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I've often heard that there are many good wineries near Khao Yai. It seems to be to Thailand what Napa Valley is to California.

Thanks for your input.

Looking up info on vineyards and came across these though further north near Chiang Rai.

http://www.maechanwinery.com/index.html

http://www.winetourthailand.com/wine_tours_northern_thailand.html

http://www.chiangmai-chiangrai.com/thai_wine.html

That's exactly what I was looking for.

The Chiang Rai Winery could be done in an easy day trip, and combined with a visit to the hot springs at Pong Din and the other big one that has become something of a tourist trap - forget the name.

Thanks again for your help.

As wine's lover, I strongly suggest "Buonissimo" in ChangKlan Rd.

Thanks for that recommendation. We'll give it a try.

Have you ever heard of a vineyard/winery in Northern Thailand?

Nobody on this forum seems to know... or if they do, they're not telling.

This thread, which started on a positive note, quickly degenerated into such a free-for-all of childish nastiness that it brought the nannies into the room to rap knuckles.

Contemporary Chiang Mai, even with all its negatives, is a youthful lively place, with none of the desperation and despair that characterize so many other cities.

There is another dimension worth looking at, and that is the 700+ years of accomplishment, turmoil, war, and disaster that the Kohn Muang have experienced and ultimately survived.

Most of what is currently written about Chiang Mai history and culture is in short articles aimed at the tourist trade. Factual as far as they go, but they don't go very far.

This situation contrasts sharply with the many intelligent and perceptive first-person accounts left by visitors and residents in the past.

A careful study of this unique history would certainly leave anyone "Impressed by Chiang Mai."

If she's allowed to go, she won't be back anytime soon.