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4 hours ago, Snackbar said:

It isn't mentioned here but this fight was Between a flyweight, 49-52 kg  Gonzalez and a bantamweight,  Srisaket   Rungvisai. 53-55kg. 

Did you watch the fight?

Looked very little difference in size. But a huge difference in skill and ability.

2 minutes ago, ovi1kanobi said:

They were supposed to be Apple Ipads. But then  Thaksin got a deal on cheap China,  Android knockoffs.

She certainly held up her Apple ipad when she promised every child would get one free. I don't know who did the deal but one order was placed with a Chinese manufacturer who had never made them before! 

Not the best procurement decision!!

45 minutes ago, champers said:

As we from the Western world scoff, Japan, South Korea and China come and invest here. Why would that be? They certainly aren't mugs. I would like to know how things look from their perspectives.

Britain, Germany, France, and Italy have all sent business delegations. Also academic ones. 

Business ain't interested in TVF!

5 hours ago, Cadbury said:

I wonder did he brief them that he holds a certain authority called Article 44 which he can use at any time to take away their investment once it starts to turn a profit and regardless of any trade agreement. Just as he did with the Australian gold mine Kingsgate. 

Did he also tell them "he has absolute power and can do anything he wants"?

Well, the Japanese embassy, commercial and intelligence, chamber of commerce and all the business men are likely to be better informed than most TVF posters. So I guess they and the other business delegations that have and will come don't see it as a blocker.

And all those TVF posters who insist no one will invest here - WRONG!

Now we know what Mickey Mouse will want for a Christmas present : A Yingluck Shiniwattra Clock!! 

16 hours ago, binjalin said:

I seriously doubt that Yingluck's popularity will wilt. You might think it would and those that proffer the 'she ran' approach will want you to think that but the Thais I know thinks she was smart to leave as she was going down big time by the Junta courts. It ain't over until it's over. Doubt the Shinawatras will ever get power back but they are seen as bright lights by most ordinary Thais.

 

Thaksin's era is seen as bountiful and happier and Yinglucks as dogged by the elite and crushed by them as yet another coup came along to frustrate the will of the people. Most think, believe, hope that one day this will change. 

Interesting how different perceptions can be. Not wrong, perceptions are never wrong only different.

Most Thais I know don't see her as smart. Just following the normal prescribed route for the super rich. If finally cornered and it's looking to heavy then run off. Plenty have done it before and likely plenty will follow. Most also see the Shiniwattra family for what they are. They see a corrupt family that became to open "in-your face" and greedy with their corruption. The straw that broke the camel's back was the whitewash for Thaksin. That turned many off them for good. It was too much, too far and many saw that Thaksin was trying to get back and put himself in a similar position to Hun Sen or Mugabe - where winning "elections", whatever it takes, keeps you in power.

However,  these same people all do wish and hope that things change. But none of them know where the changes will come from. 

16 hours ago, darksidedog said:

That will piss Prayut off no end. Thaksin is gone, Yingluck is gone, but big chunks of the population look forward to them coming back to take power once more. Now more than ever, I bet he wished he had won the popularity poll published earlier this week. All of his efforts look to be coming to nothing in the long run. And House Shinawatra will rise again. This saga is more intriguing than Game of Thrones!

One guy comes up with the idea of flogging clocks with Yingluck's photo on. And you interpret that as a big chunk of the population? Right to.

Wonder if those nice kids ever got and are still using the tablets that were "just like Yingluck's"

1 hour ago, Khun Paul said:

Interesting the Soldiers are now involved. previous statements stated the Police were not interested as it did not involve Thais . Typical xenophobic comments by the Police who are as we all know upright citizens of exemplary character.;  

Even if it did involve Thais, the police wouldn't be interested unless a Thai got hurt. Can't have foreigners hurting Thais.

Also, the activities of most biker gangs usually involve some illegal behavior - selling drugs, running prostitution, protection rackets etc. Normally that would attract the attention of the local police. But not here apparently. Also was class of visa does "being a biker gang member" entitle you too? Apparently they satisfy immigration police for their extensions.

The police wouldn't see any profit in getting involved in this and the bikers may be generous "charitable" donors. 

However, once the military get involved, plod suddenly have to actually do their duty. 

Fine words. Now let's see the actions that show them to be correct.

2 hours ago, Xaos said:

From definition mafia is the one who influence politicians, i think they far from that. Bike gang they are.

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"Ma·fi·a

ˈmäfēə/

noun

an organized international body of criminals, operating originally in Sicily and now especially in Italy and the US and having a complex and ruthless behavioral code.

any organized group using extortion and other criminal methods.

noun: mafia; plural noun: mafias

a closed group of people in a particular field, having a controlling influence.

noun: mafia

"the conservative top tennis mafia"

Source: Wkipedia

"fair wages, free education, secure pensions and a commitment to a democratic Europe were guaranteed."

Look pretty good ideals to me.

Chao Laem looked a very very good boxer in that fight. 

Look forward to seeing his next fight.

14 hours ago, JAG said:

I suppose it is not appropriate.

One, for all his faults was twice elected by a significant proportion of the people.

He was removed by a coup whilst standing for election a third time. His proxies were elected, again convincingly, in two subsequent elections; before being removed (under remarkably similar circumstances during an election campaign).

Despite his mainy faults (and in the face of protests aimed at forcing his removal and paralysing the government, neither he, nor his proxies never felt.the need to remove the right of assembly, political action, protest or press freedom, let alone ban eating sandwiches in public!

The present incumbent however...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of your post is correct. But for accuracy, Thaksin wasn't removed by a coup. He has dissolved parliament and then resigned from the caretaker PM role. Several weeks later he ousted the replacement caretaker PM and put himself back into the role, without having the authority to do so. He was also drag his feet on that election, not exactly standing. 

No he didn't remove those rights of assembly, political action. However, you can easily read what happens to Shin opposition party members who dare campaign on Shin turf.

As for freedom of the press - come on now. We all remember his defamation law suits against journalists and his infamous red card for questions he didn't like. He used other methods, dare I suggest learned from Mr. Lee, but his desired result was the same. Suppress all criticism and deny opposition a platform.

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Supposition perhaps but not without much serious assumption. Junta government and police state and the boasting that she was being monitored was a normal measure. Then they let slip the monitoring. Just like the missing CCTV when the plague was removed. How convenient.

 

Criminals? Seem most countries ignored the extradition request for Thaksin and will be the same for Yingluck. That's how the free world see the political situation in Thailand.  

Ah yes. Thaksin's eternal friend, the former terrorist and dictator of Cambodia refused to extradite him in 2009. 

I think most countries that bother with intelligence services in Thailand see the Shin clan for exactly what they are. 

14 hours ago, Thailand said:

Her son is still here. Neither she or Thaksin are likely to say or do anything until they can get him out but as he has just started military training that is unlikely in the short term unless he gets posted to Dubai!

Possibly part of whatever deal was done but not likely to know what that was until the current incumbents are ousted.

Isn't his military training, along with lots of other private school students. sponsored by his parents, who also pay? Isn't it a Saturday activity?

Not exactly boot camp and conscription.

10 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

I think there is a great deal of truth to your post. And, I hope one day the Thai people get some of the choices you listed.

 

I would simply say that the road to a fully functioning democracy is a long one.

 

Before Thai people get a choice of " socialist, workers. farmers or green parties", there needs to be an end to the coups. And then we need to see an elected government peacefully hand over power to another elected government.

 

Call me an optimist, but I believe that Thailand has already embedded the idea that a 'legitimate' government needs to come from an election. As to the rest, it'll take some time.

 

A legitimate government needs to come from an election, and maintain it's legitimacy by respecting the law and constitution.

There are plenty of current examples in Africa, South America and even a neighbor of what can happen when a government decides it will never give up power.

12 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

I have no idea as to the efficacy of this boy's 'case' and nor do I want to but I'm bored senseless with all the politics involved. Please do not tell me that ANY of it is non-political and I wish posters stopped biting.

 

Be fair, it is always the yellow side who can't wait to "but... but... Thaksin at EVERY post" 

Perhaps, but equally all the Shin lovers can't usually wait to try and divert to "but, but, but........... Prayut, the Junta" whenever the OP is about some Shin transgression. Still they have stopped bothering with but but but Abhisit, Suthep and the mad monk which used to be repeated ad nauseum.

The standard Shiniwattra defense to any and every charge is to shout "it's political, it's persecution, others aren't being prosecuted".  Well tuff shit. 

Thaksin has a warrant out for his arrest as the number one defendant in the Krungthai Bank Fraud case. One of the cases he's anxious to avoid ever having to be tried for. 

Sure it's political in the sense that the Shins ain't in power anymore and can't block the investigation and cover things up. 

8 hours ago, TKDfella said:

Just when you thought it couldn't get more farcical...

Oh I'm sure there's a lot more mileage in this yet! Should take us up to December and the pantomime season nicely!

Monty Python, Allo Allo, and Get Smart all rolled into one with a touch of surreal for good measure.

To be fair, Chalerm was entertaining but not this good!

6 hours ago, ginjag said:

Yingluck strayed over the border collecting mushrooms,  found it difficult to re-enter

Careful now, picking wild mushrooms apparently carries a much more severe sentence than gross negligence! 

12 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Could be sheer theatre.  He possibly keeps talking about it to make people think she escaped rather than let go.  Her disappearance diffused political crisis.  It is not out of the realm of possibility that they looked the other way while she slipped out of the country. 

Indeed - certainly not out of the realm of possibility eyes were looking the other way. Or maybe even a little bit more proactive than that?

3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Yet he's got billions in the bank and lives a successful life, just like his daddy.

 

Depends on how you judge success I suppose.

 

Many Thaivisa readers would consider sitting dribbling incontinently into a Beer Chang in Nakhon Nowhere with Nok the former cashier (she never work bar, kiss brother on the lips type) on their knee, eeking out a pension to be a success, so who are we to judge?

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting example of hypocrisy.

One of the first to criticize the current government, Junta, PM, Military etc at every opportunity. 

But, apparently no one is entitled to judge or criticize your beloved Shins.

Freedom of speech - only if you agree with the comment eh?

7 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Anyone else who had already been cleared would not have to worry about being charged. The name Shinawatra to the Junta though is just too much for them to be able leave alone. To suggest it is not politically motivated is laughable.

He hasn't been cleared. An agency declined to investigate and recommend prosecution whilst his auntie Poo was his dad's latest nominee PM. 

No pressure on the agency then?

And now, whilst he's back under investigation the PTP, and one of the biggest crooks from the UDD jump up in defense.

Certainly his political. Go after a Shin top family member and the family owned political party and political pressure group will galvanize into defense.

Whilst the Shins in power they use political pressure to avoid inconvenient investigations. Once out of power they are open to them. 

His dad is also avoiding an outstanding court case for the Krungthai Bank fraud too. 

Just now, ovi1kanobi said:

The army is putting her son through training. Thats all.

Do check your facts before posting incorrectly.

Or are you suggesting no other similar students are doing exactly the same, with parental approval and financing?

5 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

Focus on what's important!  191 Policemen charge into the night and their motto?:  "how dare they enjoy themselves - it's no joke!"

191 policeman, led by the commander of the police Special Branch.

Now wouldn't you expect Special Branch to be more engaged on other types of activities the raiding after hours and underage boozing? Like some very "topical" activities for instance?

Just now, maeab101 said:

They are holding her son in country.

Can you produce evidence of that?