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1 hour ago, ezzra said:

Not inconceivable or inprobable that she has another passport of which

she is using now with a slight change to her name's spellings and

small modifications to her appearance she can move in and out many

countries undetected... been done before many times...

 

They haven't revoked her passport yet. Her family have private planes at their disposal.

No need to sneak around or disguise anything. 

Canestan has others have suggested. My UK doctors always recommended that. Zinc Oxide will ease the itchy soreness and help prevent re-occurrence.

Also, I know this is stating the obvious, but change underwear very regularly and make sure is dry. It's a very humid country! 

If it persists then visit a good skin hospital.

12 minutes ago, pornprong said:

What nonsense is this. Thaksin has repeatedly stated the charges against him were nothing but political. He never denied singing the documents because it was not illegal. You appear to know very little about the case.

 

Thaksin was not the Supervisor of the FIDF, Pridiyathorn Devakula was. In order to get the ridiculous conviction to stick they decided to say Thaksin was the defacto Supervisor. Not only did Pridiyathorn support Thaksin, he also stated that the FIDF, that he was in charge of suffered no loss from the sale of the land and saw no need for any charges to be laid against Thaksin. Who is Pridiyathorn, just so happens to be the man Prayuth put in charge of the economy after the coup - so he's hardly a red.

 

If you think the Thai courts aren't corrupt you are in an extremely small minority my friend.

Yes, he claims the charges were politically motivated. He doesn't deny it doing though! But that would be hard as they have the evidence he did. And yes, it was illegal.

It seems I know more about the case than you. Why are you ignoring the pastry box - inconvenient?

4 minutes ago, pornprong said:

By western standards, Thaksin would of course be guilty of many things, but by Thai standards he is no criminal. This probably explains why the only conviction against him is the inane land purchase farce where he was declared to be a "defect" supervisor of the FIDF even when the law clearly stated the Pm was not the Supervisor of the FIDF.

 

Hold them all accountable to the same standards - lock them all up, both sides or lock none of them up. 

 

Whoever said anything of the like?

 

The only delusions here are by those who need to create a demon to justify their own beliefs and views. 

Without the facade of opposing super-villain Thaksin and his devilish clan, all that's left is garden variety fascism.

(this is why every post is a constant regurgitation of "red crimes" - without the fantasies, you have nothing)

Drivel.

Other than yes, all corruption should be punished not just a selected few.

In the West, any PM who fiddled a land deal so his missus could by it cheap, way below market price, and the quickly sell it for a killing would be in trouble, very much so.

Again, you seem to say, well lots are corrupt, so that make it all ok. No it doesn't.

Perhaps you thin there's no case to answer in the Krungthai Bank Fraud case too?

6 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Q1. Convicted by who and for what?

A1. Convicted by corrupted courts on made up charges.

 

Q2. Why did Yingluck flee?

A2. See A1 above.

 

Ah it's the new boy prolific Shin defender. Hello!

Even Thaksin admitted the circumstances regarding the abuse of power that led to his conviction. He never denied illegal signing of documents. There was an attempt to bribe the judges though.

Made up charges - please explain your comment; or apologies for trying to post something that isn't true.

Corrupt Court - how so? If they were corrupt they'd have take the bribe. They didn't.

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Even a blind man and his 3-legged dog in Nakhon Nowhere had the guilty verdict sussed out already.

Don't insult blind people by suggesting they lack intelligence - it's demonstrating prejudice.

Anyone who read the reports of the case evidence, anyone that is with an ounce of intelligence and without bias, would find it hard to see how any verdict but guilty to the charges was inevitable.

Or would you like to explain why you think she was innocent?

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

Now THAT is today's silliest response by a mile. No need to qualify it further as I bow to your superiority in matters of posting silliness.

That's right. You simply know in your mind that all you Shin huggers and lovers, simply instinctively know that Thakisn and his clan are innocent as the day is long. Why he even said so himself on CNN, and he never lies does he?

And all those who dare oppose this benevolent honest very moral clan must be guilty of all sorts of crimes, even though never convicted and should be sent to prison for eternity.

The deluded world of the Shin fan posters! And they can't even understand why few believe them.

Just now, pornprong said:

Says more about the state of the judiciary than anything else.

So you have actual evidence?

Or are you saying ALL politicians, regardless of affiliations, which some change to suit the times, take advantage?

1 hour ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

To be fair, it is hard to have a balanced view when you are consumed with an obsession of the Shinawatras.

Or an obsession that the Shins are completely innocent, of everything for ever, as some posters like to pretend.

59 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Not a big fan of "innocent until proven guilty" then are we?

Well Thaksin has been convicted, jumped bail and sentenced in absentia. And of course has 15 or so serious cases outstanding.

Yingluck has chosen, seemingly, to do a runner before any verdict. In most minds that does tend to suggest she and her legal team think a guilty verdict probable. And of course, based on the evidence produced, that would seem a correct conclusion.

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58 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Is that the same Abhisit that had Thailand's most corrupt politician (by party member's own admission) and Surat Thani gangster overlord as deputy PM?

 

The same Abhisit who's mentor Chuan Leekpai's brother embezzled billions and fled to Taiwan until the statute of limitations expired on his crimes.

 

Is that the same guy? 

 

How many crimes has the person you refer to been convicted of?

Ah, just another semantic perhaps?

Just now, NanLaew said:

This afternoon's "But Thaksin! But Thaksin!" post brought to you by...

And today's silliest response - congratulations!

Did you miss that this post was about Yingluck, the poster I replied to commenting on why she, and possibly her brother by connection, may have fled?

But perhaps you think your response is new and not a repetitive much used attempt to stifle any inconvenient mention of criminals?

4 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

Fugitives but not from justice as commonly thought "justice" by developed countries  

The somewhat unique nature of the justice system here may make it very different to the justice system in other countries.

However, that doesn't mean Thaksin and Yingluck are innocent either.

11 hours ago, starky said:

I'm not a tin foil hat nutter or a mad conspiracy theorist I do however find it pretty strange that there has been absolutely no communication whatsoever from YL herself.

Maybe silence is part of the deal? Or perhaps she, her brother, and the PR team are getting their stories lined up and waiting for the right timing?

Had she 'disappeared" as some imaginative posters keep suggesting, then I wouldn't think Thaksin, her son, her husband, all her siblings and some "close sources" from PTP/UDD would have all been so quiet.

Once again, the Thai people are being fooled, told fairy stories or brushed away with forget it, which just emphasizes, yet again, the elite hiso political class is beyond the law. 

6 minutes ago, connda said:

The Thai government makes it about as difficult as they can for individuals such as you and I who would willing volunteer to make life better for Thai citizens.  Makes no sense, but it is the way it is.  I attempted to obtain of work permit to independently volunteer (totally free) to teach English to students in my Amphur considering I'm TESOL certified and have about 7 years of teaching experience, but I'm now retired.  No one from the school administration to the government officials at the MoL were interested in providing a path forward.  The school admins were just like, "No problem, you just come teach.", but of course, it isn't their butts on the line to get fined, jailed, and tossed out of the country for 'working' without a work permit.  
As the old saying goes, "Let no good deed go unpunished."  That exemplifies trying to volunteer in Thailand. 

Fair comments and summary.

I know an elderly British couple who came to Thailand. He had been offered a good consultant role with a large company. She started doing voluntary work. After a year he wanted to retire and they both wanted to stay here and do voluntary work. But whereas before the company had sorted all the paperwork out they were now on their own. It all got so complicated they decided too much trouble and went back to Europe.

Working without a WP is indeed a big risk. All's fine until you accidentally upset someone or make them loose face. The spite kicks in, a complaint is made and your right in it. And watch all those nice new "friends" suddenly disappear. Seem it happen more than once.

24 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Well, I just did a search of the Interpol Red Notices. Guess who is NOT on the list?

Interesting.

Initially they claimed they'd requested a Blue Notice be issued. Then they suddenly upped the claim to a Red Notice.

Is this another example of a little white lie?

1 hour ago, dotpoom said:

"Even though Worayuth has been on Interpol’s “Red Notice” for arrest in 190 countries around the world, authorities have been unable to detain him so far. "

    Maybe your remarks are directed at the wrong police force?

Er? Ask yourself when the offense was committed and compare that to how long the Interpol Red Notice has been requested.

Good for the US.

These thugs were on US soil assaulting, some viciously, people who were exercising their right to protest peacefully.

Erdogan is a bully who gets away with it at home. Not so in other countries buster!

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Now that you mention, I would put the Tak Bai massacre with the 1976, 1992 and 2010 deaths in the hands of the military. It was a mistake that Thaksin defended the military and the inquest by post coup PM Surayud concluded that the military did not do anything wrong. The military has always lead a charmed and protected life. 

 

As for the war on drugs, it is a pity until now that the number of extra judiciary deaths have still not determined even after the campaign was praised by the highest order in the country and a commission was conducted. Needless to say that all the above deserved justice. 

"

Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra expressed regret for the deaths, but he insisted there had been no wrongdoing by military personnel. On 2 November 2006, Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont gave a formal apology for Thaksin's policies in the south,] and two days later the charges against the surviving protesters were dropped. The Asian Human Rights Commission called for prosecutions, stating, "After two years, the apology is welcome, but investigation and prosecution is imperative."

A 2009 inquest found that security officials had performed their duty without wrongdoing. Family members attempted to appeal the decision, but their appeal was denied in June 2012. As of October 2012, no charges had been filed against the security officials involved in the deaths. In 2012, the Thai government offered reparations to family members of the victims." Source Wikipedia.

14 minutes ago, wakeupplease said:

One of use lives on facts as we went to school and had real teachers who taught us facts 1066 for instance (easy one that is) one of us was taught by properganda. That sort of says it all. When it comes to IQ,s mine is a little bigger that my shoe size.

 

 

Learning should be a lifelong experience. It's never too late - you can still do it!

Just now, smutcakes said:

They do deserve justice, but considering it was military personnel heavily involved especially in TB, its not going to happen.

They all deserve justice. As does the killed police family in the Red Bull case; the family of the two Master's students killed by a speeding maniac; the families of the innocent lives lost when an illegal underage driver knocked their van off a highway, the families of those murdered on Koh Tao etc etc etc.

The list here is incredible. But as none of the politicians or military seem particularly interested in trying to reform the justice system, I doubt any of them will get. Not gonna happen in my life time. Maybe in yours, but don't hold your breath!

3 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Yes, it is true that I don't really see your point. Sorry about that; I am genuinely interested in a discussion rather than an argument, but I do seem to have missed your point.

 

Is the PTP tightly controlled by a small group of people (the family)? Yes. Virtually all political parties around the world are controlled by small groups of people. Would I prefer that small group be wider? Yes. However, is it really that different from political parties in other countries? Perhaps to a degree, but not hugely different; think of the Lee family in Singapore. If you look at the biographies of the cabinet of the last Dem government, you'll see plenty of "Son of..." or Daughter of..." Family control of political parties in Asia is common, why is it bad here?

 

Was the amnesty bill designed to get Thaksin back? Yes, I think so. The important point to me is that it didn't work. At that time, I LOVED the protesters who fought it. And if they had stopped and allowed an election, it would have been a wonderful thing. But they didn't and look where we are now. And if I may, you should be happy about that; the lesson from those days is that Thaksin cannot come back, ever. 

 

Would I like to see the PTP expand its base away from a regional  party and develop policies to compete better nationally? Yes, read my post.

 

Where I get lost in this is with people who really dislike the PTP (I hope that is a fair characterization) don't seem to be too bothered with other parties and/or entities that do the same. Are the Dems and/or the military much different? I don't think so. And since we don't know who finances them, I assume that they are just as bad.

 

So, to sum up, I understand that some really don't like the PTP. Why are you not equally as angry about the others?

 

Cheers

 

 

Good post. If you note, I am also critical of the Dems (although they are fairly anonymous at the moment), and how they have their fiefdom in the South. 

Here, and in some other countries throughout Asia, Africa, South America and Eastern Europe, the political party is owned and controlled by the very narrow family or family and close friends; and thrives in an environment riddled with corruption. All organizations here, public, private or third sector are controlled in similar ways.

I don't see the cycle of events here changing without some very radical reforms - and I don't see the people who could start and drive that being very interested in any reforms; only ones that suit themselves.

1 minute ago, DM07 said:

Have you even been to a Gogo Bar?

most of the girls/ ladies are already drunk or drugged, before they even start their shift!

Yaba/Ice is the No.1- go to- drug on Patpong!

You don't need a "source", just open eyes!

Are you suggesting that you have seen 100% of the prostitutes in Thailand and that 90% were on drugs? 

Or are you claiming that the GoGo bars you patronize is a representative enough statistical sample to make that conclusion based on your personal experiences?

Or perhaps you could open your eyes to the fact that most, and the vast % of prostitution in Thailand isn't targeted at farangs and the GoGo bars  that farangs frequent in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket.

28 minutes ago, wakeupplease said:

100 years ago you say

 

Well that explains it still living in the distant past, I wonder if you know its 2017 September and times have moved on a bit with those who did the nasty back then punished for their sins.

 

Second yes I agree

 

As no Balls.

 

If you don't understand something, it's better to keep quiet rather than post and confirm your lack of understanding, rather than post an inane comment in the hope of scoring some imagined silly point.

The ability to use analogy, metaphors, similies and connect them with past events to illustrate arguments, discussions or provide explanatory frameworks to aid analyses isn't for everyone. Clearly not for you.

And no, not many who committed atrocities back then were actually punished. But not really a surprise your knowledge of history is limited too.

3 minutes ago, JAG said:

Yes well...

Most of the Public School Commissioned subalterns had a bit more training, although it was still rudimentary. The problems faced by the BEF in the early years, and indeed throughout the war, were not a particular weakness in junior leadership.The good/lucky survived and were rapidly promoted (lots of vacancies). By 1916 the junior officers were mostly promoted from the ranks. The late Richard Holmes wrote a first rate book ,"Tommy", which covered the subject, amongst others.

The whole Blackadder/ General Melchett bit, although at times on the mark, was quite a long way from being the whole story. I digress, a bit of an interest of mine...

Mine too.

But the interesting analogy here is for how long, British, French, German and their allied general staffs all failed to realize that repeatedly doing the same things they'd always done, that changing technology wasn't important, that the old social class structured hierarchies would deliver the right results and that those at the top could never be wrong. Remember that some service men in the British forces weren't even entitled to vote!

Interesting to analogize some of that, with some abstract extrapolations.