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21 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Depends what day it is and which office you go to. Good idea to have insurance regardless. O-A marriage at Chaiyaphum don't require any. 

What is an "O-A marriage?" You're talking about things that don't exist. 

isnt the o/p asking about medical certificates? What does that have to do with insurances?

3 hours ago, crazykopite said:

Sadly life is cheap in Thailand all this over 50,000 baht , prayers to all those who perished   ????????????????????

It doesn't take an indepth study of farang history over the past hundred years to see how cheaply life is regarded in Farangland, especially the lives of people of color or the "wrong" religion or living in sh=T hole countries.

On February 8, 2020 at 6:51 PM, asanee said:

Strange-normal practice says that as soon as a new passport is issued the old one will be made invalid-mostly by cutting a corner of it or stamping a few holes through it. But maybe different countries have different methods. I always had to bring the old one when I got the renewed one-and then it happened. This of course for pretty obvious reasons re fraud etc. If the old one has gone missing, at least in the registers it would have been made invalid-just as it had been stolen.

Your old passport may be cancelled and become invalid for use, but there may be things in the old passports that are not cancelled.

When I got a new US passport in Abu Dhabi they put a hole through the passport but before doing so asked me to paper clip any pages I didn't want punctured because they contained valid visas or permits, etc.

3 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

"Loss of face" again!

Quite often the case in FarangLand where both extreme reactions to loss of face and mass shootings are common, but you're making a stretch in this case in order to bolster your prejudices. More like a loss of money.

6 hours ago, HHTel said:

Regarding  the same day update, when they produce the letter they automatically enter a 0/0 transaction to show the current date in your book.

And if you want your bank book updated at Bangkok Bank for any reason,  just shove the book in the update machine. They print a b/f line with your current balance and the current date.No need to deposit or withdraw Baht 100 as someone suggested.  I didn't get an ATM card for the account with Baht 800,000 in and have never needed to do a transaction with that either account I have just before getting an extension. I just occasionally update the book and twice a year they add some interest. 

21 hours ago, Rdrokit said:

Yes Joe it is an extension but I call it a renewal. Slap my hand

You're getting an extension of stay. You're not renewing a visa. The visa you originally had was an O-A, not an AO. You're asking for help because you clearly never bothered to understand the basics that pertain to your stay in Thailand,.

But feel free to be rude to someone attempting to offer to help you understand. 

23 hours ago, elviajero said:

I suggest you get an extension. If you don't qualify they should give you 7 days to leave the country starting on 1st March

I believe he said his "visa expired" on 28th. Since this is a leap year, at best wouldn't the 7 days begin on 29 February?

out of curiosity, since the 7 days to leave the country is not an extension per se, does it begin from the date the current permission ends or from the day your application for another extension is denied?

1 hour ago, xtrnuno41 said:

 

Farang should pay now at least double. It means insurance will go up in price.

If you use a Thai government hospital such as Queen Sirikit, which exists to serve Thai citizens including Thai military personnel, of course you should pay more than Thais would, but the amount charged will still be far lower than you'd pay in a for-profit private hospital.

At a private hospital such as Bangkok Hospital Pattaya, the prices charged are the same for Thais and foreigners. I know that from experience, not from reading Thai bashing nonsense on TV.

My American insurance has never questioned charges I've submitted for reimbursement in 13 years. I am certain that charges in Thailand for doctors, hospitals, prescriptions, dental work, etc, all of which my insurance has reimbursed me, are much lower than they would be in the US.

22 hours ago, Mr Tom said:

I'll be leaving for Vietnam where I'll be living. 

I hope you've read this thread or are otherwise aware of changes taking place and that you are unaffected.

On February 4, 2020 at 10:31 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

If it's those kinds of typical rates, it hardly seems worth getting exorcized over...

I think you need Papal approval for an exorcism.

On 2/3/2020 at 6:12 PM, Syke1911 said:

Well if I pass away, the condo would go into some sort of Thai probate court from what I gather and my son would need to deal with that process which I'd like to avoid.

On 2/3/2020 at 6:18 PM, Golden Triangle said:

Family chart no idea, maybe someone else can help on that one

If he dies intestate, the order of succession of statutory heirs is shown below .  He could make a Thai will, but if his child is not living in Thailand at the time it will  mean he would need to spend more time in Thailand dealing with probate as well as probably trying to sell the condo. The child would need to document the death of both parents if the property was still in both names and prove no new spouse exists since if the father remarried she would be at the top of the list of heirs if no will exists.

I think he would find it less expensive and less of a burden to the child if he transfers the ownership now. I see no reason to say his lawyer is a crook, aside from the usual default to Thai bashing.

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In Thailand, there are six classes of statutory heir namely:

1. Descendants;

2. Parents;

3. Brothers and sisters of full blood;

4. Brothers and sisters of half blood

5. Grandfathers and Grandmothers;

6. Uncles and Aunts.

 

 

 

 

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The surviving spouse is also considered as a statutory heir and the share of the surviving spouse depends on who she/he concurs. If the decedent left several wives who acquired their legal status prior to the effectivity of the Thai Civil and Commercial Code, all wives shall inherit equally. However, as between the wives, the secondary wife is entitled to only one half of the share to which she is entitled.

The statutory heirs of the same class shall be entitled to equal shares under the laws of Thailand. If there is only one heir in that class, he or she gets the whole portion. The share of the surviving spouse shall be in accordance with the following:

1. If the decedent left a spouse and children, the spouse is entitled to 50% of the estate and the children are entitled for the remaining 50% which shall be equally distributed among them.

2. If the decedent left his spouse and parents, the spouse is entitled to 50% and the parents to the other 50%;

3. If the decedent left his spouse and his brothers and sisters of full blood,  the spouse is entitled to 50% and the other 50% goes to his brothers and sisters;

4. If the decedent left his spouse and heirs in classes 4, 5, 6 (brothers and sisters of full blood, grandparents, uncles and aunts, then the spouse will inherit 2/3s of the estate and the remaining heirs will be entitled to the other 1/3 which will be divided in equal shares among them. The surviving spouse takes the whole estate in the absence of any other statutory heir.

Under the Thai laws, when upon the death of a person, he left no statutory heir; the estate of the deceased person shall pass to the State, subject to the rights of the decedent’s creditors.

 

https://www.thailandlaw.org/intestate-succession-in-thailand.html

24 minutes ago, Pib said:

I'm sure they knew this will cause a sharp drop in the number of over 50 years in age farangs wanting to retire to Thailand--.hint, hint, we (Thailand) really don't need you Mr or Mrs Old Farang as your economic contribution to Thailand is now literally a drop in the overall, country-wide Thailand economy.  Yea, possibly a noticeable but still small impact in a few cities were farangs are a dime a dozen like Pattaya, Phuket, Bangkok, Chiang Mai...but overall for the country a drop in the bucket. 

 

Agree, which is why I appended a "sarcasm alert" to my post,  which you chose to not include when quoting me.

But the overall unease will precipitate pressure on real estate sales. Although I plan to remain in Thailand, I decided to sell my condo a year ago and I'm sure I am not the only one to make such a decision. The instability will also have to make foreigners think twice about buying condos or houses even if they aren't yet impacted by insurance issues. 

Real estate,  medical services ( Thai insurance issues aside) and some other sectors may be affected, at least in the short  term, more than the general economy. The people who profit most from those sectors are not mom and pop stall holders. If something hurts them they will react.

i don't expect anyone to fall on his sword or issue a public mea culpa, but maybe there will be a pause in any plans to include non Imm O retirees or those older married  farang In any mandatory insurance. 

While it's true that the economy wouldn't be devastated by a withdrawal of retirees, some businesses and some workers would take a sudden, potentially painful hit and would make their displeasure known, not in sympathy for old farang, but out of concern for personal profit.

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Same as AU. They stopped providing non imm O based on retirement several years back. Only non O-A. BTW I just had check of Thai Embassy Canberra. There requirement for the non O-A appears to insist upon insurance from Thai company.

I couldn't see the option to have non Thai insurance and no mention of the "certificate" 

Well the US and Australia must make up a significant share of retirees. Maybe someone will notice the sudden drop in numbers and wonder if the reason is  a costly solution to a problem that could be solved less dramatically.

sarcasm alert.

21 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

By the sounds of it, there was some tea money involved because 6,000 bt isn't what it cost to renew, from what I am hearing.

He got an extension and a multi entry re-entry permit ... from what I was reading in his post.

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

It's the 9.2 bit.

If companies were prepared to sign that form then things would have been easy.

My understanding is that there has been zero success, however read post where fella stated his non Thai insurance company did in fact sign the form.

 

Well my memory is that someone with Aetna ... I believe travel insurance ... Had his agent fill out a certificate that satisfied the LA Thai consulate.

of course it would actually be better to start out with a non Imm O visa, but I think you can no longer get those in the US for retirement.. I have to believe some people in the US are starting out on the retirement path not using tourist visas or VE entries. Hard to imagine they've totally cut off American retirees ... but nothing is impossible to believe these days.

16 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

You making this stuff up?.

What would be useful is a post of someone obtaining insurance in own country and having said company sign the rubbish certificate to satisfy rubbish Thai rules re insurance. Can you provide one?

According to rules stated re: health insurance for visa ( again, for visa, not extension of stay) at LA consulate, there is an option for foreign insurance. It's undoubtably a pain in the a$$ and puts off most people, but not an impossible task.

Item 9.2 bel

1. Quote

   Pursuant to the Resolution of the Council of Ministers of Thailand, dated 2 April B.E. 2562 (2019), 
   approving in principle for the stipulation of health insurance as an additional requirement for Non-Immigrant ‘O-A’ (Long Stay) visa application, the Royal Thai Embassy  has introduced the following requirements for the said visa application:

   Effective from 31 October 2019 , the applicant must be medically insured for the entire period of stay in Thailand with the following coverage:

   – Outpatient benefit with a sum insured of not less than 40,000 THB, and

   – Inpatient benefit with a sum insured of not less than  400,000 THB

   The applicants must submit the following:

   9.1. Health insurance policy document issued by a Thai or foreign insurance company, stating that the applicant is medically insured for the period and with coverage as mentioned above:

   (a) In case of a foreign insurance company, the applicant must submit the original insurance policy document with 2 copies; the 

   (b) In case of a Thai insurance company, the applicant must submit 2 copies of the insurance policy document or, if available, the original insurance policy document with 2 copies. A list of Thai insurance companies participating in the scheme can be found here: http://longstay.tgia.org

   9.2. Foreign Insurance Certificate as stipulated by the Office of Insurance Commission and Health Insurance of Thailand, which must be completed, signed and stamped by the insurance company. The form can be downloaded here: Foreign Insurance Certificate Form

    

    

15 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

You making this stuff up?.

What would be useful is a post of someone obtaining insurance in own country and having said company sign the rubbish certificate to satisfy rubbish Thai rules re insurance. Can you provide one?

No I'm not making it up. I read a post from someone in the US whose OA visa application was accepted because he got someone to fill out the insurance certificate to the satisfaction of the Thai consulate in LA.

No I'm not even going to try to locate it with TV's deplorable forum search.

certainly some O-A visas ( visas, not extensions) have been and are being issued in the US. Some applicants must be getting non Thai insurance certificates that are suitable for the one year O-A visas.

7 hours ago, MRToMRT said:

Thanks everyone I now see my plan will not work. I initially thought you would not need the TIA approval document but it now seems one does.

Ask the agent you use to buy insurance if s/he can help with the certificate. S/He could probably get someone to sign for  the "directors" and put a few official looking stamps on the certificate. Whether they would be keen to do that annually or whether the Thai Embassy or consulate would accept what you provide as proof, you'll only know by trying. I seem to recall someone saying he used Aetna  in  the US and his agent managed to do the needful.

Surely embassies still issue non imm O-A visas so there must be some way to get the insurance matter done.

On 2/3/2020 at 5:42 PM, RyanWalker said:

I have thousands of Chinese clients who I talk to on a daily basis

You talk to thousands of people on a daily basis.

On 2/3/2020 at 5:42 PM, RyanWalker said:

100% of my clients said they won't go to Thailand anytime soon

So thousands of people tell you they won't come to Thailand everyday. That has to get tedious fairly quickly.

On 2/3/2020 at 5:42 PM, RyanWalker said:

The Thais have never been very friendly with the Chinese

A significant part of the population are Thai/Chinese.

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The Thai-Chinese population, most of whom are second or third generation Han, Hakka, Chao Zhou, Hainamese or Cantonese, numbers about 9,000,000 or about 14% of the population of Thailand.

It is the largest Chinese community outside China and also the most highly integrated into the host nation.

In fact, the Thai-Chinese have been in Thailand for as long as 400 years in smaller numbers but have worked their way into every level of Thai society even at the very top. Not only that, but most prime-ministers of Thailand have some Chinese ancestry.

 

http://tigerlilyofbangkok.com/thai-chinese-people.html

On 2/3/2020 at 5:42 PM, RyanWalker said:

Thailand will be feeling this virus long after the cure all because of ignorance

You're posting silly nonsense.

On 2/3/2020 at 5:42 PM, RyanWalker said:

now they might have given the Chinese tourism industry a further low blow.

It's reached the point where airlines have stopped flying in and out of China and many countries have restricted Chinese travel to their countries. Many businesses in China will not even re-open until 10th February if then. The absence of tourist entering China might be a blow to Chinese tourism, but has nothing to do with Thailand and certainly is more of a problem for Thai tourism.

Obviously this is a troll post.

2 hours ago, cnxgary said:

ECCEPT when one applies for a OA based on marriage.

For mattiage you'd start with a non Imm O, not an O-A

On January 30, 2020 at 9:53 PM, BritManToo said:

Punishment poisoning is very common with Issan ladies

... and Vladamir Putin.

19 hours ago, Maca said:

Can you be blacklisted by the Ministry of Education MOE from getting a work permit to work as a teacher if the previous teaching job you had, you didn't have a Non B visa or a work permit?

If you were working without a work permit or the appropriate visa, that sounds like a good reason to detain and deport you. 

Whether or or not the Min of Ed blacklisted you seems less important than  whether or not they reported you to immigrations.

On February 2, 2020 at 12:08 PM, KhunBENQ said:

They do even if you are not a US citizen.

Unticking, unticking, unticking... sign.

(last experienced at SCB)

One of the forms I signed last year when opening a second account at Bangkok Bank (at a different branch from where I opened the first account) asked for my US Social Security number. I assume only Americans would be asked for that.

Only a small amount of information requested.  Whole process painlessly accomplished in a few minutes but slightly more than when I opened my first account about 25 years ago.