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How can you be confused Abhisit ?? You know what you have done some year's ago you stand behind one of the worst violence in Thai history !!!

Oh you mean the violence of sending in troops to battle protestors who were packing assault rifles and grenade launchers?

No, I think he means the use of snipers to shoot unarmed people, nurses, journalists and ordinary Thai folk who were shot just for being there.

There is NO evidence whatsoever that security forces managed to shoot an armed person.

really nurses were shot? according to which source? i seemed to have missed it

its a nasty little ......., i got it a few days ago and it hits hard, cough is really deep following the loss of voice, after i got it, my staff got it and all had same.

what i found worked well for me and my staff was an antibiotic called "bactrim" but make sure not allergic before taking it.

PS. Cough syrop did not help with the cough at all

I think you will find and I could be wrong, as I have not bought water at 7/11 for quite a while, as we get it delivered, but a 12 pack of water at 7/11 is less than 90B so yes compared to your 10B per bottle 30B+ saved.

Also, I have read the thread and you have been most amusing thank you.

today at big c pattaya tai, they have 24 pack for 70 baht, you better hurry to grab some

did you think electricity was free? places offer free wifi , it is for people to have coffee or food and use wifi, it is not for people to spend the whole day on their laptop and not spend a baht.

The solution to this is to introduce a "one order every 30 minutes" policy, as is often implemented in Europe.

Much better to have few good customers, than 100 "riff raff" customers

Indeed, but you would probably have more success with this if Pattaya wasn't a riff-raff destination. Having chosen to open up shop here you are somewhat obliged to take the customers as they come. If you want classy customers you would need to be in a completely different part of the world.

its true, but you find Pattaya is changing. As i mentioned this year is particularly high with cheap charlies but also high with good customers. Last year was different, were much less cheap charlies but also less big spenders,

Its funny you mention having 30 mins policy, some people are really good and will order food and drinks while using wifi and charging, but some would not even order a water, so when informing them that electric is charged at 50 baht per hour, all over sudden they do not need to charge.

Had one the other day, wanted to borrow one of the staff's phone to insert his sim, she was nice enough and gave it to him, 2 hours later, not even 10 baht tip or a thank you.

the next day, he wanted to use her phone again, but she refused, he started demanding she give it to him.

the only thing which i find little strange with this story is that he was living of the inheritance but came to Thailand in July, which is just 4 months ago. Surely the inheritance was little more than a few thousand pounds and if it was not, what stopped him from going back home.

something just does not add up here, sad story anyway:(

Interesting point of view?

I think what you need to do is just double all of your prices across the board.

Pesky bloody cheap charlie customers <deleted> em all.

BTW maybe some of your customers just happened to be walking past a 7/11. Maybe they needed to purchase something not stocked in your fabulous hotel, maybe they thought hey look water is cheaper here may as well get some while we are here . 12 pack 30B saved, zero time wasted.

Maybe they do not even check the prices in room, many people just work by the rule, buy your own drinks as the in room drinks are always overpriced.

i see you very good at maths, 12 pack at 1 baht per bottle = 12 baht, but with your great analytical skills its already 30

Then, lets all start to write fictional assumptions, because we all soooo smart, better yet, lets not read the thread but jump in with your opinion, which no doubt is very important.

you guys want to know a bit about owning running a hotel here in Pattaya

First thing I'll say is that being an owner of anything does not make you an expert, I've seen some disasters here in my time of people who thought they had it but found out they didn't, I've seen a few guys that have successful businesses here but I'd put that down more to luck than expertise.

I recently heard of a hotel here that blocked up all the electric sockets in the reception area so guests couldn't use the electricity for their laptops etc while having a coffee - <deleted> is that all about lol

did you think electricity was free? places offer free wifi , it is for people to have coffee or food and use wifi, it is not for people to spend the whole day on their laptop and not spend a baht.

This customer always right "crap" is just that. While majority are reasonable people, there is always enough of those who think they are owed the world and business should bend over backwards to please them. Funny though that those are always the ones in the cheapest rooms.

May be business do not want them, have they ever considered that?

Much better to have few good customers, than 100 "riff raff" customers

So how about adding a service charge to your bill, and then giving it all to the server(s) ? That way everyone has a smile on their face. If the customers are not happy with paying for service ( that is, they didn't get good service) then they can vote with their feet, and drink/eat elsewhere. If they like your service, then they will happily return and pay the service charge. You can presumably make the service charge anything you want ? 1%, 3%, 5% ? A 1% service charge on a 99 THB bill will sort out ( almost) that pesky 1 Baht.

I have thought about this, but the problem is i get many guests/customers who do not speak English, which makes it very hard to explain things to them and notify them.

You see the problem is not lack of tips, the problem is that there are many who will take 1 baht change and come back every day(ie food and service must be good)

There also enough people who do not bother to run to the store to save 1 baht, and yet still plenty who would.

The question raised by OP was about the high season, so i merely stated that this year has a much higher number of "cheap charlies"

I know myself, when i go to stay in BKK i usually buy my soft drinks from the store, but only because the hotel where i always stay charges 50 baht for water and 70 baht for can of coke.

In my place, we charge 10 baht for water and 20 baht for cans of coke or alike, big difference

A ceasefire between Hamas and Israel has been agreed and is to be announced within hours, according to a Palestinian official. On Tuesday night, Hamas official Ayman Taha said an Egyptian-brokered truce had been finalised and would take effect from 10pm. But a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the announcement was premature.

http://news.sky.com/...-to-a-ceasefire

Not sure if how solid is this, and there's still time for things to go wrong, as they so often do.

Local media on both sides had another take on how things will go - basically that Clinton will ask everyone to behave, Israel will accept and stop the attacks, then (willingly or under Egyptian pressure, not clear) the Hamas and Islamic Jihad will do the same. A more comprehensive agreement to be reached later on. Again, hard to judge how serious are these reports.

Re going-to-war-for-votes: Public opinion in Israel seems to be not overly supportive of a ceasefire under current conditions and according to this outline. If it goes through, might be some political price for decisions made. Two months are a lot of time in the Middle East, though... Palestinian public sees such an outcome as a major victory, what with no ground invasion and Hamas pumping some propaganda about downed Israeli aircrafts, Israeli casualties and direct hits. Guess some sane people on both sides also appreciate the chance for not having it all out this time around.

Foreign Minister Mohammed Kamel Amr of Egypt, which brokered the ceasefire after marathon talks, announced the cessation of hostilities at a joint news conference in Cairo with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

The accord, a copy of which was obtained by AFP, calls on Israel to "stop all hostilities... in the land, sea and air including incursions and targeting of individuals

The Palistinians are celebrating and claiming victory against Israel.

I do not recall even 1 time when they accepted defeat, The tunnel rat Nasrallah, also claims victory yet has not seen sunshine for over a decade

pm me.

you now looking for a hotel? or just trolling for the sake of it?

Wheres is the hotel?location.

I come holiday i january,stay about 2weeks.. What U price a night,week?

Before i stayed soi2,soi buakaow- 9carat condo and ambassador jomtien...

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3 road, , prices vary on the room type and there are no weekly rates.

So, just walk along 3 road and look for the lemoncake hotel?

not familiar with tv rules?

How else were your customers wasting 15 minutes of their life to save 1 baht?!

yeah m reading certainly is a problem.

i have re-read and you are calling your customers cheap charlies because the dont want to purchase your water and would rather save themselves 1 baht, you then complain that your customers don't leave 1 baht tip and this has a knock on effect on how well your staff perform

i will repeat myself for the sake of clarity, perhaps if you paid your staff enough they wouldnt rely on tips and wouldnt feel let down when a customer decides to pocket their own change. when you complain about losing 1 baht you are no different than the person who is saving 1 baht, the difference is it's their money to do as they wish, you are unhappy because they arent giving you or your staff more money, they are already paying guests in your hotel

now you could fix your staffs mood and work ethic if you paid them more so they didn't have to rely on tips but like your customers it's your choice how you spend your money, i just find it odd that when things could be worse i.e you could have no customers, you complain about the customers you do have and over petty amounts such as 1 baht, that makes you sound cheap and resentful to your customers, the people who are supporting your hotel with their custom

your hotel isnt called fawlty towers is it?

I will repeat myself AGAIN, to put your reading glasses on and re-read .

Since when does wage affect staff attitude towards tips? especially to taking 1 baht tip, its an insult to wait for 1 baht less the 1 cent in any country in the world

Yes i am calling my customers cheap charlies, because they would waste 15 mins of their life to save 1 baht and if you think there is nothing wrong with that, i have some sad news for you, there is something wrong with you

Its no different than driving 1 hour to another town to save $5 on something, while wasting $50 on gas, not to mention time involved, surely those "bargain hunters" also think they scored a bargain, not even realizing it has cost them 10 times more

As for for advice on how to run the business, may i suggest you stick to what you know best, whatever that is, perhaps posting rubbish

15 minutes to get their change?! I wouldn't tip after that either...

you have problem reading?

15 mins is what it takes them to go to the store to buy a bottle of water to save 1 baht

It isn't rocket science (no pun intended). If a foreign country was given land in Australia by the UN..then it progressively expanded its holdings on the same scale as is happening in Israel / Palestine ... I expect a few Aussies would be a tad pissed off and might even throw a few rocks at them. Israel can do no wrong as long as the west / Islam divide is maintained.

I am unable to upload a map showing Israeli expansion since 1946 but it makes chilling viewing. Just do a Google search on Israeli expansion and you will see what I mean.

only Gaza is not occupied and terrorism increased since it was given back to Palestinians yet instead of developing, they continued with the same terror acts.

Yes you can be pissed off, but that does not change anything, perhaps time to think "outside the square" and actually do something productive with what you got.

No point picking a fight with some where you know you can not win.

If and i emphasize IF Palestinians did build an economy and did concentrate on developing, i have no doubt Israel will not have any support from anyone, but when they have spent past century on ONLY terrorism its hard to support them, though with nice fiction movies and propaganda it seems to work for some.

If Israel was as savage as some like to believe, the death toll would be thousands PER DAY and multiplying, just look at Syria

We are fed a story by the media .... both sides... as we know the first casualty in war is the truth. I think it is incredibly naive of you to say by inference that Israel has 'developed' whilst the Palestinians have not. If the west were to immediately pull all aide to Israel... and Include military as well as everything else...lets see how long it would stay viable. Even a cursory glance at the statistics for just the US will show you that Israel soaks up by far the most foreign aid by America to any other nation...and that is just from America. If the UN had decided to give Israel its 'homeland' in say Greenland, or Chile, or anywhere else for the matter the whole middle east issue would be a non event. However, because some ancient manuscript dug up out of the desert claims that this patch of mother Earth is theirs by divine right, we have what we have. But for god's sake don't go on about how wonderfully developed Israel is as if they have done it on their own ... cos they haven't.

Why would UN give land in Chile for people who come from the middle east with deep historic roots of over 5000 years?

Yes America aids Israel, BUT it is conditional aid where 80% is to be spend back in US.

You also seem to forget that Israel has one of the strongest economy's in the world and is center of innovations across all fields, that is certainly not a result of US aid.

Israel ranks 17th among 187 world nations on the UN's Human Development Index, which places it in the category of "Very Highly Developed".

The major industrial sectors include metal products, electronic and biomedical equipment, processed foods, chemicals, and transport equipment. Israel diamond industry is one of the world's centers for diamond cuttingand polishing.

Israel is a world leader in software, telecommunication and semiconductors development

Furthermore, Palestinians have been living off the aid for years, just in the past 4 years they received over $10 billion.

Now, lets put that aside, Israel has US to aid Israel, what is stopping all the arabs to aid Palestinians?

All the taxes Israel collects for them and taxes collected from arab workers in Israel, all goes to Palestinians, and yet they have done very little to build an economy.

Gaza was given back 100% and in return, all they have been doing is spending money on rockets and bombs.

If Hamas has enough money to build kilometers long tunnels to smuggle weapons, no doubt they can spend some money to build bomb shelters and warning system to warn its citizens since they have no desire to make peace and stop the rockets.

i have re-read and you are calling your customers cheap charlies because the dont want to purchase your water and would rather save themselves 1 baht, you then complain that your customers don't leave 1 baht tip and this has a knock on effect on how well your staff perform

i will repeat myself for the sake of clarity, perhaps if you paid your staff enough they wouldnt rely on tips and wouldnt feel let down when a customer decides to pocket their own change. when you complain about losing 1 baht you are no different than the person who is saving 1 baht, the difference is it's their money to do as they wish, you are unhappy because they arent giving you or your staff more money, they are already paying guests in your hotel

now you could fix your staffs mood and work ethic if you paid them more so they didn't have to rely on tips but like your customers it's your choice how you spend your money, i just find it odd that when things could be worse i.e you could have no customers, you complain about the customers you do have and over petty amounts such as 1 baht, that makes you sound cheap and resentful to your customers, the people who are supporting your hotel with their custom

your hotel isnt called fawlty towers is it?

I will repeat myself AGAIN, to put your reading glasses on and re-read .

Since when does wage affect staff attitude towards tips? especially to taking 1 baht tip, its an insult to wait for 1 baht less the 1 cent in any country in the world

Yes i am calling my customers cheap charlies, because they would waste 15 mins of their life to save 1 baht and if you think there is nothing wrong with that, i have some sad news for you, there is something wrong with you

Its no different than driving 1 hour to another town to save $5 on something, while wasting $50 on gas, not to mention time involved, surely those "bargain hunters" also think they scored a bargain, not even realizing it has cost them 10 times more

As for for advice on how to run the business, may i suggest you stick to what you know best, whatever that is, perhaps posting rubbish

so if you feel so strongly about it put up a sign informing your customers that you think they are cheap charlies for not spending more money in your hotel and btw what is the name of your hotel for future reference

staff wages have a lot to do with it, if you paid your staff enough to not rely on tips then they wouldnt feel insulted if someone decided to pocket their own change, if they have a decent wage each month without tips then they could just smile when a customer decides to pocket the 1 baht rather than as you put it allowing their customer service levels to drop, there's a saying and it rings true, my money is bettter in my pocket than in yours obvioulsy that doesnt relate to charities but are your staff really a charity case because of a poor salary?

now back to your water claims, if the shops can afford to sell their water cheaper than you and still make a profit then as pointed out if you drop your prices to match their price then you may shift more bottles of water, there's also a possiblility that your service is crap and thats why people decide to not tip, i mean here you are bad mouthing your customers, would your situation not be more serious if your hotel was unoccupied?

as for your insults, i'll try and ignore them 555 meanwhile please feel free to keep on moaning about all the 1 bahts you're losing, you high-roller

it is clear you do not have a business or ever had one, so i will not bother to get into this useless discussion.

Seem you can not even comprehend the basics, that hotel is not a supermarket nor it is cash-n-carry, lucky there are plenty of benches outside 7-11, and usually no shortage of cheap charlies, buying the beer and drinking it there.

I rather dismissed show off behaviour as Pattaya is full of it. Your other posts are complaining about people taking 1 baht change, perhaps they know (at least I think I'm correct) that leaving a 1 baht tip is considered an insult and left to show distaste at poor service? Surely people can do what they like with their own money? I still think you are wrong but I'll be more than happy to pop into the Hilton to discuss this over $10 drinks - as long as you pay!

as long as i pay-lol, will you leave them a tip or also expect me to do it?

Yes if the service or the product was bad , i agree, however when they return on daily basis and lick their plates so there is not a crumb left, perhaps a 20 baht tip on a 500 baht meal would be appropriate, do not you think?

Considering that if you google this as a treatment, you get completely conflicting reports as to whether it works, i an more surprised that it should be considered worthwhile to fund it.

It does work though not covered under any insurance because its not considered a medicine but a suppliment

I been on it for past 5 years, if i come off, i suffer crazy pain(after shoulder surgery)

2 of my elderly dogs also on it and without it they can hardly walk

Saying that, it is not a medicine, so i can understand why it is not covered, just like herbs are not covered

i have re-read and you are calling your customers cheap charlies because the dont want to purchase your water and would rather save themselves 1 baht, you then complain that your customers don't leave 1 baht tip and this has a knock on effect on how well your staff perform

i will repeat myself for the sake of clarity, perhaps if you paid your staff enough they wouldnt rely on tips and wouldnt feel let down when a customer decides to pocket their own change. when you complain about losing 1 baht you are no different than the person who is saving 1 baht, the difference is it's their money to do as they wish, you are unhappy because they arent giving you or your staff more money, they are already paying guests in your hotel

now you could fix your staffs mood and work ethic if you paid them more so they didn't have to rely on tips but like your customers it's your choice how you spend your money, i just find it odd that when things could be worse i.e you could have no customers, you complain about the customers you do have and over petty amounts such as 1 baht, that makes you sound cheap and resentful to your customers, the people who are supporting your hotel with their custom

your hotel isnt called fawlty towers is it?

I will repeat myself AGAIN, to put your reading glasses on and re-read .

Since when does wage affect staff attitude towards tips? especially to taking 1 baht tip, its an insult to wait for 1 baht less the 1 cent in any country in the world

Yes i am calling my customers cheap charlies, because they would waste 15 mins of their life to save 1 baht and if you think there is nothing wrong with that, i have some sad news for you, there is something wrong with you

Its no different than driving 1 hour to another town to save $5 on something, while wasting $50 on gas, not to mention time involved, surely those "bargain hunters" also think they scored a bargain, not even realizing it has cost them 10 times more

As for for advice on how to run the business, may i suggest you stick to what you know best, whatever that is, perhaps posting rubbish

The cheap charlie seem to find the new bottom, in my hotel bottle of water in the mini bar is 10 baht, and yet they would go all the way to the store to buy 1 for 8 or 9. not to mention taking 1 baht change after a meal

How does this interfere with your life?

You certainly keep your eyes open..........or maybe you're just really describing yourself?

how does that interfere with my life? well considering that i said i own a hotel and they prefer to go to the store to save 1 baht , that affects sales, which in turn affects profits which in turn affects my life style.

When they eat and wait for 1 baht change, it upsets my staff, when my staff is upset they do not come to work happy, when they do not come to work happy, they provide bad customer service, when they provide bad customer service i lose customers, which in turn again reflects on sales and again reflects on profits, which then reflects on life style.

Hope its sufficient enough explanation for you on how it interferes with my life

and how would that improve the situation of not even 1 baht tip? or them taking the 1 baht change?

why should people tip if they don't want to? perhaps if you paid a better wage and took less profits then the staff wouldnt have to rely on tips as much and could come to work always happy...as for moaning about profits losing 1 baht to the 7/11 store water...you'd have to sell 100 bottles of water to make £2, how many rooms does your hotel have?

things must be tough when someone who can afford a hotel moans about losing 1 baht...its ironic you're calling people cheap charlies yet moaning about not earning 1 baht/2 pence profit..that sounds like true cheap charlie talk imo

perhaps you should be pleased you have guests rather than moan about where they decide to spend their own money

may i suggest you put on your glasses and re-read again, just a suggestion

Yes. The US will indeed be communicating with Hamas one way or another. To think otherwise would be naive. They just don't want to be seen doing it infront of the world stage. But at the end of the day when it is all said and done and the dust settles [momentarily] it will be a fruitless exercise.

Apparently according to some news reports, Hamas is the one who is not listening to Egypt at all, so perhaps any and all talks are fruitless.Though Iran may have some weight there

I think when it comes to peace negotiations between Israel and Palistine, Iran has no weight to pull at all. A much over stated player in this situation. Just my opinion of course.

correct, but Iran does have the pull on Hamas in all aspects as they are the ones supplying weapons, which Hamas already confirmed the other day.

Yes. The US will indeed be communicating with Hamas one way or another. To think otherwise would be naive. They just don't want to be seen doing it infront of the world stage. But at the end of the day when it is all said and done and the dust settles [momentarily] it will be a fruitless exercise.

Apparently according to some news reports, Hamas is the one who is not listening to Egypt at all, so perhaps any and all talks are fruitless.Though Iran may have some weight there

let me add some more

24. We booked the cheapest room in a budget hotel and did not get a 5 star service

25. We booked the cheapest room on a 50% sale in a budget hotel(no breakfast included) and they refused to provide us with free breakfast and free entertainment

26. Locals are so stupid they do not speak my native tongue(french, russian, italian, chinese, russian)

And reduce the price of your water so it is the same price as the convenience store.

LOL, i might as well start to give it all away for free.There is no excuse for someone to bother to go to the store over 1 baht and no point even trying to justify it, mind you 10 baht from a hotel mini bar is the cheapest price i have ever seen or heard of, in any 3 star its more like 30-60 baht.

There is nothing wrong with being a cheap charlie. Why pay more than you have to for anything?

So long as you're not cheating someone, stealing something or being fraudulent then what you do with your own money is up to you.

Nobody has ever tipped me over and above any price I have requested for goods or services supplied.

tip is a gesture of gratitude for good service or good taste or fast service.

No one is forcing you to tip, but if you want to get faster/preferential service one would.

Try not to tip in a nice bar and see what happens the next time you go order a round.

When i say a nice bar, i do not mean a beer bar, i mean a nice bar in any country in the world where drinks do not cost $3, but more like $10

In Pattaya all that counts is money! Do the locals tip? No. Oh I forgot we are all rich farangs.

Why not pay double for your air ticket and give the 50% as a tip? I'd accept your $10 drink and reciprocate in a beer bar.

1. We are not talking about "crazy" tips

2. Yes locals do tip, especially when they want to show off they leave huge tips. I had 1 Thai guest who tipped the maid 300 baht and reception 300 baht for 2 days stay., when they get a takeaway they do not tip, when they eat in side, always minimum 20 baht tip