Loiner

10 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Scam?

 

The EU nations who were allocated quotas in UK waters were already fishing here before the CFP, as were some UK boats; but no one in the UK, not even anyone in the UK fishing industry, objected at the time.

Yes, everything related to the EU has been a massive scam. 

The UK has been objecting for years, but saddled with the EU quotas and nobody was doing anything about it. 

We are now out and don’t need to allow the EU to perpetuate the CFP scam any longer. 

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Do you understand that the UK citizens will pay these taxes?

Only if they buy 100% tariffed EUSSR goods. Buy UK products or imported FTA from other countries and there’s no tariff. 

You would either pay high taxes for the ‘privilege’ of choosing EU products, or pay less for alternative sources. No problem with that, it’s worked in Thailand for years. 

44 minutes ago, bannork said:

The majority of the electorate did not vote to leave. Only 37% did.

Yet we did Leave. 

Would you like to rearrange the percentages again? It won’t change the fact the we are already out.  

3 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

What are you going to rule?

Britannia rules the waves.  

And all the fishes and fishing rights under them, not the CFP. 

2 hours ago, samran said:

‘They need us more than we need them’ 555

Patently obvious from all sides of the EU now, and every day their getting more desperate. 

555 

1 hour ago, samran said:

Oh dear...i guess this is the kind of economic (il)literacy which gets you to brexit. That and a bit of flag waving and chest thumping I guess. 
 

As someone else has already said, that’s not how tariffs work. Never mind, the vote is in and the brexiters have moved on.
 

Interesting to note though - not content with the EU, they’ve found a new bogey man in China. Quelle Suprise. 

I’d add the Aussies and Thais to the bogey man list. They’re always ilirtat too, the edjumacated ones quoting boganomics ad nauseam. Chips on shoulders I guess. 

2 hours ago, bannork said:

I'm sorry to tell you Jonny but the bad news is on you, it's just you don't realise it yet. Talk to me in another year if the corona doesn't get us and see how old Blighty is doing then.

As if continued EU membership would or could save us from corony.

They are already trying to squeeze the UK for more cash to support their failed project and  euroscroungers. At each step it’s increasingly obvious we are one of their favourite cash cows. Best out of it altogether. 

This time next year we will be comparative millionaires, compared to what we would have been if still in the EU. 

1 hour ago, bannork said:

We remain because 63% of the electorate did not vote to leave.

We don’t Remain because we already left.

We are out, but in the transition stage before being fully released from the EU shackles. Barnier & Co (including Remainers) are spitting the dummy out because our negotiators won’t bend over for their dirty tricks to keep us tied. 

So it’s out No Deal come the end of this year! It just gets better. 

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Sorry to point out that Brexit was never approved by the majority of the electorate, as is so often claimed.

Sorry to point out that Brexit was approved by enough of the electorate to make it already happen. 

Percentages pedantry is pointless.  

5 hours ago, Maybole said:

But it will mean that if Britain and the EU fail to reach a free trade deal by the end of the year,

The Brexiteers never had any intention of reaching an agreement with the EU.

If there’s no free trade agreement, there’s only the EU to blame. To them ‘agreement’ means capitulation. 

Fortunately, Theresa is history and David Frost is standing up to the EU. Either a deal beneficial to UK, or No to the EU’s idea of a Deal. 

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

For me this is the problem with Brexit. We were voting on something while we did not know what the outcome would be.

If for one second I had thought leaving the EU would have been beneficial to the UK I would have been all over it. But then as now I see few benefits and many drawbacks. 

Regardless its a done deal now. We have to leave. But people who promised unicorns and sunny uplands should be held to account. A lot of people believed those guys and they were not honest.

I dont think we will see any kind of reconciliation between Leavers and Remainers until the people who told lies (on both sides) are vilified by the collective media and that is never going to happen given one of the biggest culprits is now in charge of the UK.

 

 

Nobody knows what the eventual outcome will be. The last four years has shown us that there are still forces working against Brexit, though now with less success. The Remain lobby failed in their original attempts to fob us off with BRINO, but are still trying even now with calls to delay due to Corona. Personally I back Boris's determination to keep to his schedule regardless. We could even get the No Deal Brexit if we are lucky, although there may be some concessions along the line.

The dishonesty and hysteria of the Remainers and MSM regarding Brexit has parallels to the same nonsense they are currently spouting about Corona. I suspect the worriers and panic buyers are all Remainers and I'm convinced the journos are the same ones trying to create a second round of Project Fear. Maybe they should be writing comic book horror stories or similar, but the collective media should not be relied on to vilify anybody with an objective view. MSM journos are the ones with obvious bias, only happy to vilify any position contrary to their own.

Having someone you regard as a 'culprit' in charge of the UK has no affect on what the media does about reconciliation. The press has vilified and lampooned Boris for ages, all to no avail. He returned to No.10 with his massive majority from the electorate, despite ongoing MSM attempts to vilify him and his personal life. He couldn't affect any media attempts at reconciliation even if he wanted to.

6 hours ago, alanrchase said:

Only 5 posts, I am still waiting for the post Brexit pound to climb. What's going on leave voters?

Boris and Brexiteers are keeping it artificially low solely to torment people like you. He's engineered a pandemic and market crash too, just to keep you all in misery. It's all part of the Machiavellian plan and it's working very well. 
Roll on the next unexpected phase of the non-Armageddon that Remainers predicted. 

11 hours ago, izod10 said:

Post reported,nothing to do with main thread    spewing out gormless quotes is your mainstay

69 Pages and over one thousand posts, I think one could be forgiven for drifting off topic. You can only argue so much about the EU stealing UK fish. The problem appears to be the TVF news team are finding a shortage of Reuters anti-brexit propaganda to start a new topic.

He'll keep spewing out the gormless stuff anyway, but let's not have it degenerate into another scottie independence thread again.

9 hours ago, Logosone said:

I know, must hurt to find out the UK willv be paying the EU more being outside, than being inside. It's tragic really. For the UK.

 

"Potential losses under a “no-deal” Brexit from tariffs are estimated at between $11.4 billion and $16 billion of current exports – and the new study says NTMs would double those losses.

The study also projects that even if a “standard” free trade agreement were to be signed by the parties, the UK’s exports could still drop by nine per cent."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/02/1058131

 

UK net contribution as a member was only 9 billion£.

 

Maybe a slight miscalculation by Breixters there?

 

It's not 'balls', I invite you to provide a detailed study to refute the careful analysis above. 

 

Thank you.

I perused some of it.

Looked at length of the post.

Checked the name at the top.

Made my careful analysis, based on that and previous posts.

Conclusion: Yep, confirmed all balls.

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Yeah Brexiteers. You really stuck it to the establishment. Are you sure you knew what you voted for?

 

We certainly did and now it’s all coming good. 
We stuck it to the EU. 
We stuck it to the closet Europhile Tories. 
We stuck it to Jezza and Labour. 
We stuck it to the Remainers and the chattering classes. 
it will only get better. 

6 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

As for deception, again the British were in no way deceived in the 1970s to join the common market. 

 

It was not possible to explain the implications of EU law primacy since even lawyers had to wait for case law to show what it really meant. I still remember sitting in constitutional law class and UK law professors exclaiming in shock how EU law actually had primacy over UK law. And to what extent. This only became clearer much much later.

 

So even the law professors were shocked at the primacy and its extent? That kinda shows the extent of the deception too. If they didn’t know, how could Joe Public who was lied to by the europhile politicians at the time. 
The deception continued while successive europhile politicians covered up the significance of the treaties they signed, while denying any opportunity of a public vote on their commitments to their EU masters. 
 

The EU have lapped it up ever since. At least they cannot do that now. Must be all absolutely bricking it, especially if the eventual reaction of the Europeans on this forum is any indication.  

1 hour ago, TheDark said:

 

I prefere debates, where different ideas fight each other using logical talking points. 

 

During these talks and debates, there might not be a clear winner, but each listener became better educated of both sides. That's what I like. To learn new and more.

 

Hey, why not try some of that? You know, logical talking points. 
That would be much better that’s the usual nonsense, trolling, baiting and Anglophobia. 
You might learn new and more.