stephenterry

22 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Did you not read what I said, half the classes had it, the cat is out of the bag, do you actually think holding the kids back would stop the spread, if so you could be classed as someone with delusional grandeur.

 

This is what you wrote: we just stay away from people in hope of not spreading whatever it is that we have.

Which isn't a lot of help is it, if your kids are not?

In any event, you might as well join the cats - we are all likely to catch it soon, hopefully with no serious effects, and then get on with our lives, instead of segregating ourselves from the rest of the world..   

18 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Make of it what you will, we just stay away from people in hope of not spreading whatever it is that we have, that said, holding the kids back from school would be pointless as the cat is well and truly out of the bag.

 

Yeah, let the kids spread it instead...

He has a get out in that he stated that Thai people followed the rules, so when it explodes it's the dirty farangs that caused it. As normal, blame anyone else but Thais. A Racist, guys; beware if he becomes next P.M.

Or he might get away with it if the new infection is indeed minimal. So far, from S Africa, it attacks the bronchial passage but has not progressed to the lungs.  Which is great news if that holds true.

Well, he certainly generated  a bucket load of responses from this forum - mostly all not relishing his ambitions. I would suggest the louder he talks the talk it doesn't matter if he doesn't walk the walk, as Boris Johnson has demonstrated once he became UK PM.  

As an aside I only trusted Ben Wallace from all other UK ministers to tell us the truth about the Afghanistan withdrawals. My candidate to replace Johnson.  Perhaps a similar Thai competitor will out 'Tin Can' from politics.  There's always hope, folks.  

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its inconclusive as to whether this is a natural virus , whether its an accident caused by a leak at a laboratory or a deliberate leaking of the virus .

   But how would finding out the source be of any benefit to anyone ?

It could determine how the virus infected humans. By way of birds, bats or other animals, or via an escape from test tube experiments in the Wuhan labs.  Knowledge is king in preventing another virus onslaught.

2 hours ago, Khabib said:

The Astra Zeneca two jabs have been deemed to be quite hopless against omicron. So are they saying, it takes three to tango.

Yes, that's exactly what they said. boost immune system up to maximum and pray that more money lines their pockets.

6 minutes ago, Khabib said:

Why are boosters so desperately needed, if the first two haven't achieved anything in terms of omicron.

In the UK, there seems to be scientific evidence provided by Astra Zeneca that a third booster jab does reduce the infection effects more so than just relying on the first two jabs. 

In which case, should the 'mild effects' of Omicron infection - if replicated as in S Africa - be even milder, it is a good probability that UK hospitals won't be overwhelmed.

It's a shame that the UK doesn't also explain to the population that boosting up Vit D3 and Zinc supplements as well as booster jabs is beneficial to health. This statement has been scientifically peer-reviewed in Israel as being accurate. It is NOT misleading.

2 minutes ago, Maejo Man said:

What I want to know is why were two unvaccinated Thai women doing in Nigeria in the first place, and how did they re enter Thailand without being vaccinated?

Probably because the actuality is different to what we read about airport control and vaccination clinics.

And you can guess what Thai women were doing in Lagos or elswhere, as you can guess what Nigerian women are doing in Bangkok and elsewhere.

49 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

I got vaccinated in March and a booster in September. It looks like sooner or later everyone will be exposed to omicron, so I'm halfway thinking I'd rather be exposed now, while I'm still well-vaxxed, rather than later. Seems like a crazy idea though.

If you are otherwise fit and healthy, it could be an option if you have never been infected. However, currently, the Delta variant is still rampant throughout Thailand and globally elsewhere, and that's a whole new risky ball game. Give it a month and wait for Omicron to take over the country - with only mild symptoms scientifically proven - as it will, despite what the health minister says. 

5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

SA is reporting substantial increases in hospitalizations.  Your not aware of this?

Yes. I was answering a question. As yet, we don't know if SA stats will be replicated globally, and whether it is just Covid causing the hospitalisation, or in conjunction with HIV.  

27 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

And an older population!  SA has a very young population.

Which does raise an interesting point in that young people have not yet developed a basic immunity for minor illnesses that Covid could take advantage of, but which presumably older people have an experienced defence.  

58 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

 

 

This is interesting information that is in its initial stages. I would also include HIV stats owing to the very high rate of people infected by this virus in SA, which does compromise the immune system, and could skew the actual Covid causation stats.

Personally, I would like to see the stats from Europe, which has low HIV rates for comparison purposes.    

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You're kidding, right?  Everybody should know what he posted.  It's widely published.  Stunning you're not aware of it.

Good, you caught me just in time to order a few beers at my favourite restaurant.

1 hour ago, Mr Derek said:

People are becoming increasingly susceptible to allergies, for example.

That is crystal clear. When I was a young kid, decades ago, allergies apart from hayfever, were uncommon, ironically owing to a less sterile upbringing. 

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Vaccinated people are 10 times less likely to be infected by the Covid virus. 

I think you are mislead, so please supply the source of this statistic - which, IMO, is total rubbish.

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

You were doing good until you blamed big pharma. Like they have anything to do with the virus. Other than developing life saving vaccines.

 

It's well known, by most anyway, that vaccines don't prevent you from getting covid. But do help keeping you out of the hospital or from dying. By orders or magnitude over unvaxxed.

Yes, but there are cheaper drugs that today's hospitals use and anyone could also use at home, if they have not been banned. Anti-depressants, that are anti-inflammatory, also work well. In fact, any tried and tested medicine  - or food - that causes an anti-inflammatory response, works.

The truth is that Western humans are generally not healthy owing, in the main, to a processed fast food dietary regime, and suffer from a range of illnesses. Obesity and diabetes are most common. These people need a vax to boost their immune system.

Western governments who are dead scared that they could let peope die en-masse look to these Vaxxes as a future blame 'get out of jail' free card. Thus Big Pharma, instead of promoting cheap effective drugs produce these highly expensive vaxxes to increase their profits.   

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

You just don't get it.  People who are NOT vaccinated are 10x++ more likely to get the virus and pass it on, or get it again.  So far, no indication the current vaccines don't work.

 

This virus is evading natural immunity.  Thus, the high number of reinfections among those who've NOT been vaccinated.

Wait and see if this virus mutation also evades those who have been vaxxed, and if the symptoms are of little concern, which applies to those who have been reinfected in South Africa.

As yet, there has been no reports on this. I suspect Big Pharma don't want this to happen as their income source will be limited.  

Just for the record, being vaxxed does not give anyone immunity, it merely protects against serious illness - and vaxxed people can still ctch the viruse from anyone, including other vaxxed people.  Only a developed vaccine would put the end to it.

12 hours ago, Toany said:

At risk of getting mild symptoms

Which is the same for those with natural immunity.

15 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Omicron is proving to be able to evade your natural immunity. So no, unless also vaccinated, you are wide open to getting Covid again. And potentially infecting others.

 

An immune vaccination may never be developed. Kinda like the flu.

You don't get it. People who are vaccinated are just as likely as naturally immunity to get Covid again. Whether that will also protect them from this mutation is yet to be established. Give it two weeks.

48 minutes ago, Luton said:

I think you may be merely churning out what you have heard from propaganda and 'control' sources who are driving a much bigger damaging agenda. Many well-respected professional medical people and scientists are now saying the vaxx are causing immune system breakdown (too many of them to quote here but you can research). It's your natural immune system and supporting that with already existing medicines (see Zelenko protocol...that's one example) that's truly beneficial whether you are not vaxxed, like me, or had Covid early on, like I did and recovered. Non vaxxed and no infection (that they know of) can similarly spruce up their protection by supporting their natural immune system with the medicines Big Pharma wants eradicated otherwise their profits would dwindle! Let's wake up from the lies and the abuse!

You haven't read my post properly. Read it slowly and carefully, because I had Covid and recovered from it, being otherwise healthy, and I regard my natural immune system to be as good as any vaxxes to date. Which will keep me in good stead..

However,  I do regard those who have NOT been infected AND NOT vaxxed to be at greater risk of serious illness, especially if their health is poor with other medical issues. It would be a stop gap until an immune vaccine is developed - if ever that's going to happen. Probably depends on how many people would die globally to make the BIg Pharma development cost worthwhile.