Kitsune

Any "taking upcountry" will not result in a peaceful retirement in the grounds of some rural temple!

Please get Paula's owner to watch this video to understand her final destination:

The intermediate step will the exchange of Paula for a small plastic basket.

Sorry I won't watch the vid or it will haunt me for days...

I have tried to tell her about the meat trade, but she does not really react, she must think I am exaggerating to make her keep her dog.

As they say ; None is so deaf as those who will not hear.

the more i read the more i am getting to detest this so called conveyor of messages.

first look at his post1,we are leaving bkk,we got her,living with us,yet he says he doesnt know the dog only the owner.

post3,he says he is not the owner,cant take her has he got 4 dogs.

post5,she told me.

i think your responses have been unsympathetic,abandon her on the street,take her and leave her at the temple,every day your answers get worst i dont know what other posters think but as a dog lover i was taken in hook line and sinker.

are you getting some sort of kick out of this.if you are that concerned there is a post in this forum of a vet that would put this paula out of her misery and you as well.

i'm not happy at all.

I am only trying to find Paula a home.

Sorry if this post bothers you.

I think you misread, I do know the owner and Paula indeed.

What is unsympathetic in trying to save a dog ?

As I said repeatedly I am not Paula's owner, therefore no I have decision whatsoever in putting down Paula or not.

You can express you unhappiness and your advice to Paula's owner directly (I will give you her contact by PM), other than this it is pointless to tell me as I am not in a position to make that decision.

sorry but its you that bothers me if you were to find a home for paula.

your heading,our dog needs a new home,who is the other one?our means more than one,

you keep saying we,that is also more than one,

has the owner got a partner?if that is the other half of our or we then why has this not been added?

so go back and look at your posting which indicates its you and the owner,

as cuban's pointed out whatch the video i cant because i have seen enough over the past 30yrs in thailand,

so go back and tell paula's owner for a plastic bucket or bowl that she can take with her to remember her beloved that they will skin and roast her alive.

I have no interest here other than finding a home for Paula.

If you think I am doing a lousy job, please feel free to step in anytime, I will gladly provide photo and contact and any information you require to post / advertise

Thank you

the more i read the more i am getting to detest this so called conveyor of messages.

first look at his post1,we are leaving bkk,we got her,living with us,yet he says he doesnt know the dog only the owner.

post3,he says he is not the owner,cant take her has he got 4 dogs.

post5,she told me.

i think your responses have been unsympathetic,abandon her on the street,take her and leave her at the temple,every day your answers get worst i dont know what other posters think but as a dog lover i was taken in hook line and sinker.

are you getting some sort of kick out of this.if you are that concerned there is a post in this forum of a vet that would put this paula out of her misery and you as well.

i'm not happy at all.

I am only trying to find Paula a home.

Sorry if this post bothers you.

I think you misread, I do know the owner and Paula indeed.

What is unsympathetic in trying to save a dog ?

As I said repeatedly I am not Paula's owner, therefore no I have decision whatsoever in putting down Paula or not.

You can express you unhappiness and your advice to Paula's owner directly (I will give you her contact by PM), other than this it is pointless to tell me as I am not in a position to make that decision.

Can't you take her with you ? You brought her from SA so take her to your next home.

You are right and this is what I said and repeated to Paula's owner.

I am actually relaying this information.

I am not the person giving up Paula.

I am only trying to help Paula not to be abandoned

Her owner wants to abandon her because she cannot find a new home for her.

I personally have 4 rescue dogs already and can't have more.

...after taking this dog from its country of birth she now wants to get rid of it...

Now there is a solution, Paula can contact her embassy.

I like that dog, but already have three, and in a year from now the same problem returning home. Asked several of the neighbours, but all of them have dogs already, and can't accomodate any more. Maybe the folks here defending the civil right of dogs, but have none yet can take Paula? There seems to be the problem that she had a new home already, but rejected it. If she has such a strong bond with her owner, and can't be accustomed to a new one, there is little choice but to put her down. She will run off and try and find her old owner, ending up on the streets. To find a vet to put her to sleep is difficult, alternatively ask a policeman to shoot her.

Paula is a dog, she cannot contact anyone

It is a dog.

Not a child.

If a home cant be found for it have it put down.

Then everyone can move onto their next "cause of the day"

Are you addressing the owner ?

Because she is not reading this.

As for me I refuse to take on that responsibility.

Beside, if you would take on Paula to put her down, I wish luck finding a vet that will euthanize a young healthy dog in Thailand.

HERE another one

and

Thailand pets classefieds

Thank you I will post there too.

K

Oh and if anyone knows where else to advertise her, please PM me.

So far no one has contacted me

Next week her owner is going back to the States and she said she was hoping to have her gone before her trip, ie this week.

So please it's an emergency !

What are they going to do with her. Throw her out on the street...

They loved her enough to bring her with them as a puppy, but now she is too big they don't want to take her back... Too much like hard work or too many dollars...

Patsy angry..... and sad for that lovely dog.

She told me her driver might take her up North and drop her near a temple, or her maid said her Mum up country, will take her on, but she (Paula's owner) does not believe her... The maid would be the first beneficiary of Paula's departure, ie less work/cleaning /walking/feeding Paula, so she might be tempted to lie to get rid of her sooner.

Thank you to ask around

I understand how you feel, may be some people should not have dogs in the first place.

She told me, a family took her but at their house Paula would not anyone approach her and would not eat ...

She must have been in shock, they just came and took her away ...

There is a great difference from a dog's point of view from being taken from "home" and left elsewhere vs a process of adoption which is communicated to the dog in terms the dog has a chance of understanding.

I have read some great work by Cesar Millan that does go into the dog's eye point of view of moving from one family to another, just taking from A to B is not good enough especially with an adult dog. An adoption will work if the dog is considered as a living entity with it's own understanding rather than a TV set that is moved, plugged in and expected to work.

I doubt any effort was made to introduce the new owners at a neutral place first, on more than one occasion and where tasty "high value" food was provided so the dog's first experiences on new people and their smell was: Non-threatening and positively rewarding.

The dog should be first ignored by the new owners in the first moments of the meeting, which is a human-human exchange, then when the dog has sniffed the newcomers, food (BBQ pig ear) can be produced, a small lump is passed to the current dog owner, then passed to the dog when the dog is calm and seated, repeat, then the new would-be-owner offers the food to the dog that has learnt that new-person is a source of good things. Walk a while, if possible with the dog an a lead that the would-be-owner holds for a while and is passed back to the current owners, repeat, etc. then part.

Next day/a few days later repeat the encounter, if the dog allows it get the new would-be owners to groom the dog a little along with food treats again.

Then a move to the new home is much more likely to be successful.

The dog does not understand that this is in their best interests, all they understand is that there is tension in their present owners and "something" is happening, combine this tension with a transplant to a new smelling location and the two issues will be firmly linked together.

By not considering these factors suggests that those new owners were not suitable anyway.

These ideas are nothing "new" I did something akin to this almost 30 years ago when my father died in connection with his two dogs.

A few months ago I had to take one of our dogs to KK Animal hospital for a non-emergency minor operation, in the week prior to the big day we had a few trips out in the car as a refresher that car journeys were fun and always lead to positive adventures. Even those practice car trips were preceded with refreshers in wearing a full body harness for a few normal walks prior to the first car trip in two years.

Thank you very much for your helpful advice and tips, I will pass them on to Paula's owner.

K

Sorry I think you misunderstood.

I was precisely explaining that it does need adjustments to re home a dog, and apparently Paula's owner does not know this.

As you said Thailand is not a dog lovers place.

Let's just hope Paula's story will not be another sad case and she will find some kindred heart to look after her

Thank you for your comments and please pass on the message

K

Hello

I would like to study Thai herbal remedies in Bangkok, in English if that's possible.

Anyone has any idea where ?

Thank you

K

Can't you take her with you ? You brought her from SA so take her to your next home.

You are right and this is what I said and repeated to Paula's owner.

I am actually relaying this information.

I am not the person giving up Paula.

I am only trying to help Paula not to be abandoned

Her owner wants to abandon her because she cannot find a new home for her.

I personally have 4 rescue dogs already and can't have more.

the owner is a she well lets hope she[that is the owner] gets abandoned and kicked out on to the street,such a lovely looking dog surely someone will give this dog a loving home that she deserves.after taking this dog from its country of birth she now wants to get rid of it.i wont swear but i would love to tell her what i think of her.i would take her today but we have our beloved already.

Paula is a lovely dog indeed, unfortunately she is quite tall and does not have a pedigree, people tend to like small dogs ... so it is difficult to rehome her.

Please don't hesitate to pass on the message, if you know someone that can give her a home thanks.

I understand how you feel, may be some people should not have dogs in the first place.

She told me, a family took her but at their house Paula would not anyone approach her and would not eat ...

She must have been in shock, they just came and took her away ...

i think some people do not realize dogs have emotions and feeling just like us ...

So she definetely should change home, please help me to find a caring family for her

Thank you

Can't you take her with you ? You brought her from SA so take her to your next home.

You are right and this is what I said and repeated to Paula's owner.

I am actually relaying this information.

I am not the person giving up Paula.

I am only trying to help Paula not to be abandoned

Her owner wants to abandon her because she cannot find a new home for her.

I personally have 4 rescue dogs already and can't have more.

Let's put your theory in practice.

My mate falls into your category : he has an ED visa and lives off his website here.

He has a GF, a 8 months old daughter and provides and lives with a family of 8 members.

If he left they all would be worse off - Not to mention his daughter who would be without father

How is that doing Thailand or anyone else a favor ?

Hello,

I am looking for a house even small and old but with a decent size garden.

Don't need MRT/BTS/ Air con / Motorway access/ Supermarket, fancy furniture ...

just basic and cheap (>10,000 thb)

Preferably Eastern Bangkok: Nawamin, Bangapi, Khlong Kum, Bueng Kum, Saphan Sung, Suan Lang, Prawet, etc

Thank you

K

- Your friend is wrong, this person is not a Ladyboy (Kathoey), he's a transsexual (sao praphet song) which is completely different as he sees himself as a woman. Ladyboys are merely men dressed-up as woman.

Ladyboys are appreciated for still having their penis, whereas in this case, this person has definitely chosen to be a woman.

- Transsexuals are people unfortunate enough to be born in the wrong sexual gender, endure a lot of discrimination and have every rights to get back to their own self, find love and be happy within their new gender as straight or gay.

- Your friend's friend unusual hatred for Lady boys is usually a sign of denial, but he seemed to have found happiness in this, so why spoil it?