MGP

Yingluck once has said...

Now 2 rice farmers have committed suicide & many in deep debt.

This thread doesn't feel complete-I nominate myself to represent the "others"...here goes...

I cant believe some posters-do you honestly believe this courageous man, one of few that are willing to stand up to the facsist kwaai brother of Kim Jong Un, would really orchestrate such attacks? Please send me a source,not a newspaprr source, but a live source. Also, yingluck is hot, Mark is a <deleted> and you all hate democracy

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I'm glad to see at least someone from the other side brave enough to step in here. But your post is so much more sensible and serious than the typical other side response that I think you must be an imposter.

This thread doesn't feel complete-I nominate myself to represent the "others"...here goes...

I cant believe some posters-do you honestly believe this courageous man, one of few that are willing to stand up to the facsist kwaai brother of Kim Jong Un, would really orchestrate such attacks? Please send me a source,not a newspaprr source, but a live source. Also, yingluck is hot, Mark is a <deleted> and you all hate democracy

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Haha. 50+ posts, mostly from pro-Suthep posters, congratulating themselves and urging each other, each trying to outdo the other as to who can come up with the most original insult. Glad to see you all having fun though - fun being a rare and precious commodity nowadays.

With all the combined intelligence of all the posters, not one post (with the exception of RobbyNZ's) tries to dig below the surface and ask the question of who and why.

Who is launching these attacks? And why? Whether it's the govt or rogue elements of reds, isn't anyone curious as to the motivation behind the attackers? Robby raised the possibility that this is to justify the SOE. However, since the govt has not to date really enforced the SOE, I'm not sure that this could be the reason.

If it is red shirts who are intent on killing and maiming, why hasn't there been more casualties?

If it's the PDRC themselves, why? By all accounts (according to the TV posters), they are winning.

My guess is that it's random individuals who are fed up with the protests, random individuals whose livelihood may have been damaged by the protests. I know for example that the bars in cowboy has been badly affected. So far, fortunately, there have been no violence or attacks or any attempt to close this protest site. However, business owners at other sites might not be as tolerant.

For a change, it would be nice to read a thread devoid of stupid and childish insults and name calling. I won't hold my breath though.

Excuse me, but this thread is about thuggish clowns like Chalerm and Paradorn making completely ridiculous and unsubstantiated statements and you want serious analysis in response? The only response either of them deserve is relentless riducule,

Amen.

"There is a time to cry and a time to laugh"

This thread is condemned to be ridicule, because the header is a laugh.

She has already won the debate, because she already knows what she is going to say:

"I came from Election"."You, farmers and National Anti-Corruption Commission, do not come from Election. You, antidemocratic"

This video is in Thai, but the explanation in English is at the bottom:

"The Corruption Cycle Behind Thailand’s Rice Pledging Scheme

The government announced the rice would be sold through G2G, through a company called GSSG Import & Export that is represented in Thailand by Mr. Rathanit Sojiratkul (Palm), who is an assistant to the Parliamentary Member, Mrs. Rapipan Pongruengrong, wife of Arisman Pongruengrong one of the core Red Shirt leaders.

Mr. Rathanit then issued a power of attorney to Mr. Nimon Rakdee or Joe, a right hand man of Sia Pieng. Mr. Nimon then brought the rice from the government through the Foreign Trade Department. Sia Piang sold the rice he got for less than market value, as it did not go through the bidding process, and sold it to rice mills at market value.

The government lost out in the first phase because Sia Pieng took the profit from the sell. The mills in turn sold back the rice they got from Sia Pieng to the government’s rice pledging program. The government brought this rice at a price that is 40% higher than market value. Therefore the mills made profit from selling the rice back to the government while the government lost out again for the second time as they now have to pledge their own rice.

The fact that the government lost out twice in this deal is probably not a coincidence due their misjudgment. But it is because Sia Pieng is actually a close friend of Thaksin Shinawatra. They say they are selling the rice through G2G when in fact they are selling to a company owned by Thaksin’s close friend.

Don’t forget that the money the government lost out on twice is actually our tax money."

And that video is a year old. I did not know the details of the scam, but this is gold.

I have called Suthep a fascist for calling for an unelected "people's council" and for disrespecting the PTP voters as not good people.

However, I do feel that the protests are legitimate. Whether there is a way out of this huge standoff remains to be seen.

As more and more evidence piled up about the corruption and nepotism of the Shin Clan, many people have had enough.

This was a long time coming. Thai people can be very patient and take a lot of shit, but when they have had enough of something, they explode.

I am also quite sure that there are many disillusioned PTP voters and red shirts. The PTP cannot be enjoying the same kind of support now as 2011.

Farmers being ripped off by the government that was supposed to have helped them. Some cronies stuffing their pockets by double scamming.

The PTP have been ignoring all the reports of their incompetence and thinly veiled cronyism and it has cost them dearly. Their attitude that they can do whatever the fark they want because they were elected just does not fly.

Some good might come out of this. The Dems might learn they ignore the farmers and poor at their own risk. I am skeptical.

+1 EvilDrSomkid.

Some decisions of Suteph, although they have the approval of many Thai people, are not easy to be assimilated. But IMHO this is bigger than Suthep or the Dems. People wants to stop that madness before the country goes to absolute ruin. And perhaps, if Suthep and the protesters returned back to their homes today, the Government and allies would fall victims of their own bad karma. But that may be too late for the health of the country.

Two grenades? That's all? Just another day in Bangkok with the retard protests.

Is your definition of a retard someone prepared to stand up for their principles even when subject to regular attacks?

A retard, for me, is someone who goes to protest for something without even knowing what it is going on behind the scenes, screaming for Democracy while at the same time blocking elections, protesting against corruption while listening to one of the most corrupt politicians in the country's history, asking for reforms and when asked what they would be, he answers "we're still working on that", thinks private militias shooting at civilians in the city is okay, etc.

For me, that is a retard. You might have a different opinion and I respect that.

I have a different opinion because I've got relatives, friends, and coworkers that have been protesting for the last 3 months, and they are still there. Protecting their country against corruption, abuse of power, disrespect of laws, and family mafia.

But I am not going to try to explain further, because a retarded is a person that does not want or cannot understand. I am not going to waste my time.

Chalerm expects explosions to happen every night at PDRC rally sites

BANGKOK: -- Caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung said Friday that he expected that bomb explosions would happen every night at rally sites of the People's Democratic Reform Committee.

Chalerm was commenting on the two M79 grenade attacks at the PDRC rally site at Chaeng Wattana.

Chalerm indicated the protesters might stage the attacks themselves.

"The government is soft so no violence should have happened but those who want violence to happen had to create it," Chalerm said.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Chalerm-expects-explosions-to-happen-every-night-a-30226296.html

Does he wants anarchy and destruction? I don't know if "mad" is the appropriate word.

I've found the answer myself after reading this article :

Kids suffer in the south

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/393634/kids-suffer-in-the-south

Neither the Police or the Military seem to care enough about that violence, same as in BKK

Then, the next question is: What do they care about?

noksidam

Well you are fascists. I can also say you are anti-democratic (here I'm backed by the States and the UN). I can say you are severely deluded thinking Suthep and another coup will improve things in this country. I guess you're just an imbecile if you believe all this mess is for fighting corruption. And sending people to soon ex-monk Issara may not be fascist but kind of stupid i.m.o.

Yes indeed! and they are freeeee from corruption... 555! And there are no fascists under the US democracy 55555!!!

What a funny backup that you have

Chalerm expects explosions to happen every night at PDRC rally sites

BANGKOK: -- Caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung said Friday that he expected that bomb explosions would happen every night at rally sites of the People's Democratic Reform Committee.

Chalerm was commenting on the two M79 grenade attacks at the PDRC rally site at Chaeng Wattana.

Chalerm indicated the protesters might stage the attacks themselves.

"The government is soft so no violence should have happened but those who want violence to happen had to create it," Chalerm said.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Chalerm-expects-explosions-to-happen-every-night-a-30226296.html

Does he wants anarchy and destruction? I don't know if "mad" is the appropriate word.

I noticed that red TV members tend to avoid all news threads with "rice" in the title.

I noticed the only time the fascists on TV care about the farmers is when they can insult the government.

Calling us fascists is the only rationale that you can use against those who dislike rampant corruption and abuse of power?

It is really pitiful how people is using that adjective. I once was accused of spreading fascist propaganda after I just said that there is a center to help patients with cancer and other diseases at Wat Onoi (Luang Pu Buddha Isara's monastery)...

Do you think it is a game? M79 is not a large explosive, but Google M79 attack victim and see for yourselves the harm that it can do.

edit;

btw. What a coincidence that the first result that comes on my Google is this one, dedicated to the Red Shirts:

http://2bangkok.com/10-redprotests1003.html

Some grenade, eh? Couldn't even make more than a couple of tiny holes in a plastic hosepipe! More likely to ba a firecracker thrown just to keep the idiots on their toes.

I wish that none of that ever goes close to your head. But it if it ever does, I hope that your head is harder than the tree or the floor tiles that you can see on the picture.

Pictures from yesterday's attack at Chaengwattanna

I've got relatives and friends there. I'm glad to know that nobody was injured.

REUTERS: Thai rice scheme in death throes, but what next?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/05/column-russell-thailand-rice-idUSL3N0LA0M020140205

LAUNCESTON, Australia, Feb 5 (Reuters) - That Thailand's controversial rice-buying scheme is now in its death throes is no surprise, but it does beg the question as to what will replace it in the world's former top exporter of the grain.

Buying rice from farmers at prices that at some stages were two-thirds above the prevailing Asian benchmarks was always going to be a costly exercise doomed to eventual failure.

When Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra introduced the rice mortgage scheme shortly after her landslide election victory in July 2011, I wrote that the "generous subsidies planned by the incoming Thai government ... are likely to collide with some harsh economic realities".

Chalerm is intrinsically funny.

Have a look at his star appearance on this video. Featuring his sons. From minute 11:40

"Rice traders, exporters would be invited to rice auctions"

Yingluck tried that and nobody appeared.

Why does he think he will succeed?

Perhaps, if they do everything transparently and under public scrutiny, with no intermediate commissions and bribery, the buyers may trust the operation.

He almost got it with that sunglasses! Just need a Groucho Moustache and a cowboy hat.

Bloomberg analysis: another blow for Yingluck

Why Is China Shunning Rice From Thailand?

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/why-is-china-shunning-rice-from-thailand-19Rw0Xt4SgGWXJKfdyTpkg.html

The anti-govt mob are getting increasingly desperate, what with the ongoing run of appalling press the protesters and the Dems are getting internationally, the collapsing numbers etc. It ain't worked and mild panic is setting in.

Regarding the "appalling press": the Wall Street Journal has honored Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra with an appealing article:

Thai Effort to Control Rice Market Backfires

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304428004579352590377530118?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304428004579352590377530118.html

She has also been repeatedly warned by the IMF, WTO, and the Worldbank.

Wall Street doesn't care about family surnames or your political affiliations. They only see the color of money, and if the Shinawatra policies are not profitable in the long term, they will stop supporting his regime.

You confuse news reporting with editorial (as does much of the protest movement). Read the editorial opinions in said papers.

Are you saying that the warnings from IMF, WTO and Worldbank about the failed rice pledge scheme were simple editorial opinions???

Don't kill the messenger. Read his letter.

The anti-govt mob are getting increasingly desperate, what with the ongoing run of appalling press the protesters and the Dems are getting internationally, the collapsing numbers etc. It ain't worked and mild panic is setting in.

Regarding the "appalling press": the Wall Street Journal has honored Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra with an appealing article:

Thai Effort to Control Rice Market Backfires

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304428004579352590377530118?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304428004579352590377530118.html

She has also been repeatedly warned by the IMF, WTO, and the Worldbank.

Wall Street doesn't care about family surnames or your political affiliations. They only see the color of money, and if the Shinawatra policies are not profitable in the long term, they will stop supporting his regime.

There is a lot of talk about the Rice Farmers and the "elites" but not much about the Rubber Farmers.

Here is their voice:

Alienated Southern Thais vow to keep pressure on Thaksin and government

http://globalitemagazine.com/2014/02/06/alienated-southern-thais-vow-to-keep-pressure-on-thaksin-yingluck-government/

“Poor people do bad things, go to jail. Rich people do bad things, win elections.”