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1 minute ago, Pla Simon said:

Can't have one without the other, generally - there are, without a doubt,  radical factions on all sides - depending on your interpretation of societal norms.

 

"Far left" and equally "Far right" is no fantasy for some.

Oh, so the fact that the "Far Left" exist is sufficient in your mind to equate it with the Far Right who have ALREADY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS ATTEMPTED TO OVERTHROW THREE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENTS?!?!?!?! Where are the Far Left you so fear?

This is just bizarre. One example of what the Right believe to be the "Far Left" is Antifa, whom you will recall is a loosely-organized coalition of the Left (some Far Left, most not) that organize solely to oppose fascists. They have no political party, they don't attend Antifa rallies for their favoured politicians, they have basically one philosophy - to oppose fascists because they know there is only one language fascists understand; direct violence. So they protect the targets of the fascists (inevitably the marginalized) and engage in violence against the fascists who do the same. But you can't vote for them, they're not attempting to overthrow democracy, you can't even find a policy paper about their political positions. Because they don't have any other than to punch fascists in the face. One I heartily agree with.

46 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Well, there was the Red Army Faction (Baader-Meinhof Gang) back in the day.  Perhaps no coups d'etat, but certainly a leftist terrorist organization. But otherwise I agree that the threat to liberal democracy today comes primarily from the right.

Duuuuude. Baader-Meinhof? The 1970s just called and wondered why none of the people 50 years later undertaking terrorism are from the Left but people are still talking about it as if they are.

23 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

As I have said before: liked him as President, can't stand him as an ex-President.  I'm frankly happy when he does things like this because it will hopefully erode his base of support more quickly and let the GOP get on with choosing their 2024 candidate.

Just out of curiousity, what did you like about him as President? 

1 hour ago, AndyFoxy said:

Probably do......but who cares what they think.

Indeed! A true Trumper you are, seeing as you don't care what others think and just want your man in power regardless of the votes saying otherwise. 

You are aware that there are avenues for you to emigrate into the land you love, right? Not that you would agree with it, seeing as you are anti-immigration. Or perhaps you would, but only a certain shade of immigrant? 

24 minutes ago, JustThisOnePostOnly said:

Rigging social media isn't stealing an election if it's the Democrats who win because of it, is what I'm hearing here.

 

It will be interesting to see how long that holds up when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

Peace.

There's the problem - you're trying to listen to the posts. Try reading them instead, it will be much more enlightening.

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

My point was maybe this had an impact on his actions, like Kayne West's actions.

That's the reason I posted this. 

How is Hitler having Jewish ancestry anti-Semitic?

It's not nor did I claim it was, and you know this perfectly well because you can read. It is a false claim, a lie, made up, perpetuated to cloud the narrative and even plant a seed that the Jews were complicit in their own destruction. Similarly, there are many other sorts of anti-Semitic tropes, including making light of the Holocaust ("if not for Hitler, there would be no Pad Thai"), claiming that because there are wealthy Jews that this is evidence of their conspiring together to control the economy or otherwise profit illegally, etc. etc. You've pretty much started spamming this discussion with a series of anti-Semitic tropes. I wonder why someone would do that in response to a thread about a bipolar man saying "I like Hitler". You might say it brought some of the cockroaches out of the woodwork  I guess.

Here's a guide to your blatant anti-Semitism so you can curate your selection of tropes to continue to pollute this thread with. It's a bit disappointing frankly that there is nobody to shut this down on this site.

https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism

There is no evidence that this is the case and the source of this was Russian misinformation. Whether he had some sort of obscure Jewish blood connection in his family tree had no impact whatsoever on his life or actions. So why do you even post this? What's the point? It's just contributing to the same sort of misinformation that lets anti-semitic tropes survive and thrive.

I think perhaps the most instructive thing from this mess is the contrast between the reactions to Kanye West and Brittney Spears.

Brittney started exhibiting some bipolar-type behaviour (but NOTHING like this), had her entire fortune and means of making money taken away from her by her father and it took years for her to restore her own agency over her work and money. Kanye can do whatever he wants and nobody is doing a damn thing about it.

Women are treated like chattel in the USA.

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

If I had been the victim I would have refused to meet him until I saw him convicted, behind bars, a driving ban of 10 years hit on him and a huge compensation pay off received !

You may well have your opportunity if you walk around enough. Your opportunity to be disappointed, that is. The only ones who receive consequences here are the powerless as you already know. You'd have to have deep pockets and a few "phu yai" on your side if you want to actually mete out some consequences to someone with even a modicum of connection. Anyone beyond the lowest tiers would easily be able to stretch this out long enough to enjoy a nice jig on your bones.

17 minutes ago, blazes said:

Speculation (what you are accusing me of!)

 

I will repeat, to satisfy your desire to know how conspiratorial your speculation is, that you should follow all the questions and answers in the inquiry that took  place this last week in Ottawa.  You can find a précis in places like the Globe and  Mail and the National Post.  (Btw, this whole thread follows upon, is dependent upon, this parliamentary inquiry.)

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/international-programs/all-inbound-foreign-national-travelers-including-commercial-truck-drivers

There is the notification from the Department of Transport of the USA informing all inbound foreign national travelers including commercial truck drivers that they must be vaccinated and must provide proof of vaccination starting on 22 January 2022. This is what we call "verified proof" of what I have written in my posts.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8920039/canada-covid-rules-remaining-2022/

Here is a Canadian major news outlet confirming that in June 2022 these same rules remain in place and notes the connection between the COVID-19 rules and mandates and the "Freedom Convoy" protest AND notes that the restrictions for unvaccinated Canadian Truckers remain for any Canadian trying to get into the USA (note that these rules for the USA are set by the Government of the USA, a sovereign country that is South of Canada).

And here, from your preferred list of two possible news sources, is the summary of the inquiry into the invoking of the Emergency Act powers (The Globe is behind a paywall):

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/emergencies-act-commission-hears-final-arguments-as-public-hearings-conclude
 

See how easy it is to find reputable sources that clearly support your statements? Now please find me the sources of your statements (I put them in Bold and Italics to distinguish them) such as:

"Again , ignorance of the situation in Canada.  This last week has been taken up with a parliamentary inquiry into why Trudeau found it necessary to proclaim the Emergencies Act.  In the course of the week, senior police and security officials have admitted that there was no foreign interference." So it should be very simple for you to either support this statement that you wrote with a quotation from senior police and security officials in a reputable newspaper or to admit you made the quotation up, or mis-remembered, or some sort of explanation that maintains your credibility.

"Also, to correct you further (surely you  must be American?), the (Canadian) truckers were being forced to be vaccinated if they wanted access to Canada.

They were specifically protesting the denial of their right to work and make a living bringing in provisions to all Canadians. " First of all, I am Canadian, born and raised in Toronto. Your statement notes the issue of Canadian Truckers needing vaccines to access Canada, but omits that they needed the same vaccines to get into the USA first anyway. I have emphasized this in my response, since it clearly removes any justification for the protests since nobody who was an unvaccinated Canadian trucker could get legally into the USA then haul their load back. Before these rules were promulgated, they provided warnings to the unvaccinated Canadian truckers that the new rules were coming, so that they could get back in time. So basically there was no basis for the protest so long as the same restrictions remained on the USA side, which is still the case today.

"Yes, because those same truckers were not denied entry into the US of A, whereas they were denied entry, if unvaccinated, into Canada.  Not only did this insane demand threaten loss of jobs in Canada, many businesses suffered financial loss by the holding-up of trucks at the border.  (Just by the way, those truckers were the least likely travellers to cause the spread of the already-in-decline virus. )" This is clearly incorrect as demonstrated by my references and noted by other posters. Yet you haven't acknowledged this error, withdrawn the post, or retracted your claim despite the clear evidence posted that it is incorrect, since the USA banned any unvaccinated Canadian truckers from entering from 22 January 2022 onwards and have yet to rescind that regulation.

"You tell me what an unvaccinated Canadian was doing in the USA in the first  place.  All I know (which you can easily confirm by consulting news outlets at the time) is that one of the main impulses behind the convoy was the huge delays caused by  the prevention of unvaccinated Canadian truckers re-entering their own country." Once again, you claimed that the USA was not preventing unvaccinated Canadian truckers from entering, then when I pointed out that they were explicitly prevented from entering you ask me to tell YOU how they got in there and what they were doing. Just absurd.

41 minutes ago, blazes said:

You tell me what an unvaccinated Canadian was doing in the USA in the first  place.  All I know (which you can easily confirm by consulting news outlets at the time) is that one of the main impulses behind the convoy was the huge delays caused by  the prevention of unvaccinated Canadian truckers re-entering their own country.

You have yet to provide any references demonstrating that the Freedom Convoy was anything other than what I have characterized it as being - a tiny minority of truckers who were opposed both by the majority of truckers whose lives they were disrupting (since over 85% of the truckers were already vaccinated, hence the protests were not allowing them to do their jobs and transport goods across the border) and whose actions were heavily funded, influenced by and disseminated by the US Right. "All I know" is not a valid argument or counterpoint. Recall that the Right-Wing media were widely broadcasting pro-Freedom Convoy views and reports on both sides of the border - if you're a regular reader or viewer of this media, you would of course remember that information. What's important in debate is providing valid references from credible organizations.

You are the one who claimed that unvaccinated Canadian truckers were the main group protesting and how the unjust vaccination rules imposed by the Canadian government were the cause of that protest. I pointed out that the rules requiring truckers to cross the border were imposed by both the US and Canadian governments in January 2022, prior to the protests. Those rules requiring truckers to be vaccinated remain in place and never changed. Hence there could ONLY be a small group of truckers who had somehow entered the USA unvaccinated prior to January 2022 who then wanted to return who were affected. From that point onwards, there would be nobody who followed the law who was unvaccinated who came in from the USA. 

So when you state this as the main cause for the Freedom Convoy protestors, and I challenge it with evidence that this could not be the case, you would normally either provide such evidence or concede that your point was incorrect. You don't turn around and say "you prove my point for me after you've already disproved it". That's very circular logic.

13 hours ago, JCauto said:

THE USA DOES NOT ALLOW UNVACCINATED CANADIAN TRUCKERS TO ENTER THE USA AND HASN'T ALLOWED THIS SINCE JANUARY 2022!!!!

 

Yo! Blazes! Where's your response to this? If the unvaccinated Canadian Truckers were not allowed into the USA because of the rules of the USA, who are these unvaccinated Canadian Truckers who can't get back into Canada? 

8 hours ago, Stargeezr said:

Justin Trudeau would not be in power if the LDP party leader, Jagmeet Singh did not support him.

The,  What If,  PM is very arrogent, and is hopefully voted out during the next election.

 Yes I am Canadian, and do not like this guy, any more than the Thais like their present PM/GM.

  Enuff Said.

I think you may be mixing up your countries; Jagmeet Singh is the leader of the New Democrat Party, or NDP. The Liberal Democrat Party is in the United Kingdom. Try to keep up.

1 hour ago, zyphodb said:

With an experimental vaccine? I don't think so, not all of us are stupid enough to go along with being guinea pigs for big pharma.  

 And looking at all the unexplained deaths around the world I'd say we were right too...

Wow, they still exist! Must be a bit lonelier than before though, with so many of your fellow conspiracists having mysteriously died from a coughing ailment of some sort that seemed to be going around. Can't quite put my finger on what it was...

Your ridiculous claims of victory are fully expected too, the scientific community forecast that as well. You won't of course grace us with a scientific publication that demonstrates your wisdom, because of course such things do not exist. I could start listing them and fill this page, but I'll just link to a few so you get the picture. First, the Lancet, which is a highly respected medical journal from the UK:

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)02796-3/fulltext

Next, this is a big one that is cited widely by Andrew Stokes, which looked at County level data from the USA and found that COVID-19 deaths were WIDELY UNDER-REPORTED, as per his conclusion:

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003571

"In this study, we found that direct COVID-19 death counts in the US in 2020 substantially underestimated total excess mortality attributable to COVID-19. Racial and socioeconomic inequities in COVID-19 mortality also increased when excess deaths not assigned to COVID-19 were considered. Our results highlight the importance of considering health equity in the policy response to the pandemic."

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Canny politicians can pull the wool over voters eyes for a while. Tony Blair certainly did so in his second election.

Sure, this is why they become politicians. I think though that for Canada there are other cyclical forces at play where the general vox populi shifts to the Left or to the Right for longer periods of time (but fortunately does so around a fairly tight band so there aren't many extremes on either side). Canada seems to give whomever gets elected quite a long spell at the plate for whatever reasons, with Trudeau the Elder, Brian Mulroney, Jean Cretien (pardon Jean, can't find the accent), Stephen Harper and now Trudeau the Younger having terms of almost 10 years or longer. Also happened a lot in the past. When someone becomes Canadian PM you really have to mess up big to get voted out, and when you do your party has to be in the wilderness for a while before they get back in.

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The things people post online are astonishing. And  no doubt it opens a rich trail for a relented hacker to follow. The level of indiscretion exhibited by mankind at this point in time is hard to believe. 

 

What ever happened to discretion and privacy? 

Privacy is dead, and I mourn its loss, but there's no escape from the electronic dragnet unless you go full no contact. I know people who are trying to do that, but only a few I think would have really succeeded because they can't do without e-mail for example. They don't participate in any internet fora, or social media or e-mail or whatever but once it's there, one of the basic rules of physics is that information can't be destroyed. It's becoming pretty difficult to escape except in Hollywood movies.

I discovered for example that by moving back to my home country for a period, there had been so many refinements to the system to serve the vast majority of people that those tiny minority who were outside of that had enormous problems undertaking relatively simple administrative procedures. This is just a consequence of the elimination of the system outliers and inevitable I suppose, but the same sort of thing those people have to go through. Anyone committed and knowledgeable I reckon could find you or (much more easily) I.

3 hours ago, blazes said:

Again , ignorance of the situation in Canada.  This last week has been taken up with a parliamentary inquiry into why Trudeau found it necessary to proclaim the Emergencies Act.  In the course of the week, senior police and security officials have admitted that there was no foreign interference.

Also, to correct you further (surely you  must be American?), the (Canadian) truckers were being forced to be vaccinated if they wanted access to Canada.

They were specifically protesting the denial of their right to work and make a living bringing in provisions to all Canadians. 

Before demonstrating your ignorance, it would be advisable to do some reading on the subject, especially since this has been leading the news all week in all media in Canada.

Yeah, sorry dude, references before BS. "No foreign interference"? That's easily debunked with the most basic google search. Link to a credible source please.  As to "the (Canadian) truckers were being forced to be vaccinated if they wanted access to Canada", please note the following sentence.

THE USA DOES NOT ALLOW UNVACCINATED CANADIAN TRUCKERS TO ENTER THE USA AND HASN'T ALLOWED THIS SINCE JANUARY 2022!!!!

So whom is it you are referring to that can't get into Canada from the USA? How did they get there in the first place? How many people are we talking about, and as per the rules, they're only allowed one entry anyway at which point they're not allowed to enter the USA until they get vaccinated. Or are we talking about people who lie about their vaccination status to get into the USA thereby breaking the law so then have to produce evidence of said lie when returning to Canada? Boo hoo. Do the crime, do the time.

So there is a certain phrase applicable here, but I won't Say That For Usual reasons.