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7 hours ago, Tug said:Horrible but sadly not surprising given what the Israeli did in Gaza just sad ????
Okay. Then please apply this standard any time any innocent people are murdered by terrorists for political purposes.
Thousands killed at the World Trade Center? Terrible, but not really surprising given what the Americans did in the Middle East.
129 French kids killed at the Batoclan concert for Ariana Grande? Not surprising given how the French treated the Algerians or discriminate against Muslims in the Banlieus.Just keep that energy for every time some completely innocent person is killed because of someone else's political ideology. I'm sure it's mere coincidence that this vitriol seems only reserved for Israel, clearly the worst and most undemocratic country in the Middle East with the least respect for Human Rights. The "but" is just another way to dehumanize the victims who were not targeted for anything any individual one of them did. So don't be discriminatory, add that "but" to every innocent victim is in your comments.
All of you who wrote or liked this comment should really reflect about your internal dialogue and whether you actually do harbor some sentiment against a certain race of people. Or, like I said, bring out them "buts" as a response to every tragedy.- 2
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5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:
This is a thread about seven Israel Jews being murdered and you are stating that Israelis are the same as Nazis .
I think its better not to reply to your points , as its going off topic
Oh but they DESERVED it! Evil Jews who supported the existence of Israel! Just Palestinians fighting back!
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1 hour ago, Tropposurfer said:Got zero time for Israel or Israelis. A nation that has turned into the fascists they loathed and suffered under both pre and during WWII.
I'm NOT an anti-semite but I am a pro-humanitarian.
Remember the journalist woman they shot (state sanctioned murder) a while back then lied through their teeth about it ?!
Ya spend about 80 years disenfranchising and disempowering a group to the point they have no space, no peace, no rights, no place in their own ancestral lands and then cry foul that they are bad people and terrorists when they literally go mad from the abuse and react to your abuse by fighting back. Israel has systematically terrorised systematically carried out a Pogram of genocide against the Palestinian people (we saw last night go into homes and beat, arrest, shackle and kill 9 Palestinians in their homes) and have been aided and abetted by lots of Western countries in doing so.
I got zero time for America or Americans. A nation fillled with fascists with guns who routinely oppress black, brown and Jewish people and have turned into the facsists they loathed.
I'm NOT an anti-American, but I am a pro-humanitarian.
Remember the journalist Gary Webb who they shot (state sanctioned murder) a while back then lied through their teeth about it ?!
Ya spend about 400 years enslaving, disenfranchising and disempowering a group to the point where they have no space, no peace, no rights, no place in their own lands that they were forcibly relocated to, and cry foul that they are bad people and criminals when they literally go mad from the abuse and react to your abuse by fighting back. The USA has systematically terrorised systematically carried out a Pogrom of genocide against the Black people (we saw today the horrible beating to death of the guy in Memphis) and have been aided and abetted by lots of Western White Supremacists in doing so.
You are an anti-Semite singling out Israel and applying a uniform label on Israelis simply for being citizens of a country whose government you dislike. You talk about Israel, yet have nothing to say about the dozens of countries with far worse laws, human rights records, killings of journalists and repression of their population or minorities.
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3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:Ask Prayut.....
I think Prawit is the watch expert, no?
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24 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:Being elected makes her better in exactly one way, not "in every conceivable way".
It seems you only see black or white. There is a lot of grey out there.
You are missing the point - it is not relevant whether she or they are good or bad since the basic system that gets that person into power has no barriers to bad candidates or expressways for good ones but ensures only the transfer of power to those who are armed. All else is irrelevant. As Churchill noted, “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.” Whenever the military interrupts the democratically elected government and installs their own people, they stop any progress and democracy has to restart from the beginning again while the only politicians who continue throughout the process remain the same old corrupt ones. Therefore there is an assurance of the repeat of the cycle.
Your "solution" was wishful thinking that you threw at the wall on your way out the door. Bit rich calling me out for lack of nuance in that circumstance.- 1
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13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:How do you know that she would be "better than the current lot in every conceivable way"?
That might be what you hope. And maybe she will be better.
But maybe she will just follow the orders of her criminal father and continue with his corrupt politics. And maybe that will lead to more protests and another coup. The rest is history.
It's time that Thailand gets out of the Shinawatra/coup circle.
Thailand should have a government with honest and competent politicians who work for Thais and Thailand.
That is obviously difficult and not that easy. Electing the same known corrupt people (or any of their family members) will bring the same outcome. Don't do it if you want that something changes to the better.
The fact that she was elected and can lose the following election based on her performance makes her better in every conceivable way than this lot. Because they won't even let that litmus test be performed, they manufacture the protest and excuses and simply take over power as soon as they know they can get away with it and hold it until they know they simply can't retain it any longer. Then, having ensured they're protection via the undemocratic constitution their main stooge Meechai wrote, they just let the current mob (accurate description) retire on their ill-gotten gains and let the next class take their turn. They also rig the system so that they can't be unelected and utilize their unelected buddies in the Senate and Courts to ensure their power continues indefinitely until enough people are killed by the soldiers to overturn it. This is in every single way worse than anything that can be done by Shin's latest relative.
As to your solution...did you spend even 10 seconds of thought on that one? Yes, "Thailand should have a government with honest and competent politicians who work for Thais and Thailand." Wow. What insight. Who might these people be and what happens when one of them comes anywhere near the levers of power? Where's Thanathorn these days, for example? So you set in place a fantasy that the most Pollyannish Thai nationalist would burst out laughing at in terms of plausibility, then say "that is obviously difficult and not that easy." Not that easy? Unless the new leader is riding in on a unicorn spreading fairy dust that magically turns the boys in green to oompah loompahs yeah, not happening. So the real question for those of us living in the real world in the real country of Thailand is, do you prefer the military seizing power and holding it arbitrarily whenever they feel like it and force hundreds to eventually die for them to briefly relinquish it, or do you prefer election of the ones who are voted for despite their obvious flaws?
If you prefer the military to maintain power in preference to the Shins and other electable people in Thailand, then make that case. You've instead made no case at all.
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On 12/20/2022 at 4:40 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:Nice to have people who don't always conform to the rules of what is socially acceptable and says what they think without being concerned about up setting people and losing his job and having to apologise
Nice to have people stir up hatred against others whom they haven't even ever met and give them a megaphone to do it with so that the completely unhinged and unfounded calumny is broadcast to millions. It's really great and such a boon to society. What a nice person you must be too!
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15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:Thanks for that. I feel quite flattered that you should take such a personal interest in my on forum comments, rather than just passing them by.
Have a nice day.
You're welcome! You're a pretty regular poster in these sorts of threads on the opposite side and unlike many of your colleagues you actually respond to the points made so it's possible to have discussions with you. I appreciate that because it's generally just frustrating trying to get other perspectives when it devolves into evasion and insults. For example, I agree with your response to the other part of that post, although it was kind of contradicting your original post.
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15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:While wildly off topic, you mentioned it so I should respond. I care about life on planet earth, but humankind has destroyed the environment and will pay the price for doing so. IMO it's about far more than climate change, and more about overpopulating and over exploiting resources. Likely to be wars over water to come in the future.
If it should come to the worst for human kind, the planet will survive quite well without us destroying the environment.
Oh, well, you didn't say that in your post I responded to but rather indicated the opposite. I agree with you, and wasn't even going to mention biodiversity collapse, but appreciate that you basically pointed in that direction which indeed is an even deeper problem.
I am also in agreement that the planet will survive the human virus.- 3
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Sorry, didn't read past the headline. But is this a story about parliament?
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6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:Eg, I'm sure the GOP wouldn't have cancelled the Keystone pipeline when half done, and are not, far as I know, all in on the climate thing.
BTW if a few people armed with sticks threaten the fundamental tenants of democracy, that democracy is too fragile to last anyway.
I actually watched the invasion live on tv, and I saw hundreds wandering around congress building like tourists, and if they were "looking to overthrow the government" I'm a Martian. IMO they were a mob angry with the government in Washington, but that was a far as it went for most. If they'd been a BLM mob they would probably have burned the place down.
I enjoy our discussions, but sometimes you really do make silly points. The "climate thing" is not anything currently under dispute from knowledgeable scientists as you are well aware. Yes, yes, there were a tiny minority to object who signed the Barrington thing, whatever. It made no difference in swaying anyone's science. The consequences of this are so profound they override practically every other consideration, unless of course you simply don't care about life on earth after you depart.
The last bit is a new one, "hypothetical whataboutism". Congrats on a new means of non-argumentative BS.- 2
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The conflation of the interests of Jews outside of Israel and Israel is one of the identifying markers for anti-semitism. The reasons for the fervent Republican support of Israel have nothing to do with their love of Jews and everything to do with energy security for the USA in the Middle East and preparation for the apocalypse for which we're required to die. The post of Jingthing was an excellent summary.
I am one of those Jews outside of Israel - I have never been there, I have only distant relatives there, none of whom I'm in regular contact with. I am happy that Israel exists as it provides a safe haven for Jews who haven't had one. But beyond that, my "love" for Israel is probably akin to a Catholic Canadian's "love" for the Vatican. The US used to have these same tropes directed against Catholics right up until JFK became president and I believe this was an issue in his election.
https://www.history.com/news/jfk-catholic-president- 2
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On 12/9/2022 at 10:22 AM, Pattaya Spotter said:24 right-wing larpers and a cosplay "prince" are a threat to the German State... and going to storm the Reighstag and overthrow the government ????
Well, let's see whether this latest attempt to minimize the Fascist threat by pretending it was cosplayers has any validity?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/09/celebrity-chef-suspects-germany-rightwing-coup-plot-reichsburgerOh, what's this? Over 50 people arrested now and weapons found in more than 50 locations. A current judge and former Far-Right MP who had access to the Reichstag is among those arrested. Sounds like very serious LARPers! Throw them all in jail and throw away the keys, there should be no place in this world for Fascist scum.
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I had this happen to me once when I lived in Thailand. Woke up after a weird dream about a snake, which was particularly strange as I seldom remember dreams. Went downstairs and to my shock discovered a snake on the beam above the stairs. Went and found some neighbours who assured me it was harmless and shooed it away for me, then insisted that the next young woman I was to meet would be the one I would marry. I did shortly thereafter meet a lovely young woman (how unusual in Thailand), and was particularly intrigued given this prognostication. Alas, was not to be and I moved eventually to Cambodia without a wife.
My conclusion was that the snake got in the house and went to snuggle up to the only warm thing in it, which happened to be me.- 1
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On 12/9/2022 at 10:53 AM, it is what it is said:
earth carrying truck, bet that had some momentum. i'd hazard a guess that the lack of serious injury is a testament to the safety design of cars today, rather an amulets... but what do i know...?
No, of course not! It's a miracle! A Buddhist amulet!
Nothing to do with engineering that kept that car intact around the bodies of the people sitting in it. Just a miracle because the Buddha decided he'd intervene in this one situation, whereas he's often busy when others die. Or I guess she quickly looked up her Karma score and realized she had enough points to make it through this one. Just absurdity piled upon absurdity.
So glad I didn't follow my father into the healthcare field. Having these idiots stand around a patient's bed praising Jeebus for saving their loved one after I pulled a 24-hour shift to keep them alive would <deleted> me off to the point of crucifixion of the celebrants. -
11 minutes ago, JCauto said:
Kind of a trivial point in my opinion. Sure, life isn't fair, that should be obvious to anyone with eyes, ears and a brain.
The real point is hidden - once you accept that as a fact, what is it you do about it?
This thread is somewhat of a continuation of an interesting discussion from a week or so ago about what makes an "activist" versus a "keyboard warrior" or whatever. The difference is "action". So going back to your point, for example, I accept that life isn't fair as a fact, and it inspires me to do whatever I can with my short time on this earth to make it a bit fairer in my particular little corner of the world. You on the other hand accept that life isn't fair, and rather than be inspired, you're daunted and instead choose to simply shrug your shoulders and use this as an excuse for not doing anything. Hence, you're a "keyboard warrior", while I'm an "activist". By the way, I don't think that there's anything wrong with either choice, simply because so much depends on individual circumstance.
Seems to me that this is a bigger issue than simply "activist" versus "non-activist" because so much about whether one does anything about something is related to that individual's personal circumstances. In order for people to become activist about issues they care about, there needs to be a worldview that there is a point to doing something and that you're personally willing to be the one that does something about that even though you most likely won't get a tangible reward for it, and quite possibly will have to go through some difficult experiences along the way. This is the main difference, and it's more similar to the difference between cynicism and optimism. This is another reason why Conservatives will almost ALWAYS <deleted> on the people who are activist, because the very nature of Conservatism is to maintain the status quo and not be activist except in service of that cause.LOL. Just realized it is the same thread. Glad the discussion continues.
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On 11/24/2022 at 6:36 AM, thaibeachlovers said:
LOL. Sport has been propaganda for ages. When a team win at the Olympics people act as though the country won, which is a nonsense, especially in professional sport when the team members may not even be of that nationality.
There's a word for it now - sportwashing.
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On 11/23/2022 at 3:04 PM, Stocky said:
Life isn't fair - once you accept that as a fact, then everything else falls into place.
Kind of a trivial point in my opinion. Sure, life isn't fair, that should be obvious to anyone with eyes, ears and a brain.
The real point is hidden - once you accept that as a fact, what is it you do about it?
This thread is somewhat of a continuation of an interesting discussion from a week or so ago about what makes an "activist" versus a "keyboard warrior" or whatever. The difference is "action". So going back to your point, for example, I accept that life isn't fair as a fact, and it inspires me to do whatever I can with my short time on this earth to make it a bit fairer in my particular little corner of the world. You on the other hand accept that life isn't fair, and rather than be inspired, you're daunted and instead choose to simply shrug your shoulders and use this as an excuse for not doing anything. Hence, you're a "keyboard warrior", while I'm an "activist". By the way, I don't think that there's anything wrong with either choice, simply because so much depends on individual circumstance.
Seems to me that this is a bigger issue than simply "activist" versus "non-activist" because so much about whether one does anything about something is related to that individual's personal circumstances. In order for people to become activist about issues they care about, there needs to be a worldview that there is a point to doing something and that you're personally willing to be the one that does something about that even though you most likely won't get a tangible reward for it, and quite possibly will have to go through some difficult experiences along the way. This is the main difference, and it's more similar to the difference between cynicism and optimism. This is another reason why Conservatives will almost ALWAYS <deleted> on the people who are activist, because the very nature of Conservatism is to maintain the status quo and not be activist except in service of that cause. -
3 hours ago, hotchilli said:
Chuwit seems to have a lot of information.. most of it turns out to be true and very damning for certain people.
Love this guy, it's about time someone popped up from the swamp and basically started singing. Can't believe nobody has quieted him with a lead muzzle given the number of people he's making upset by breaking the fourth wall.
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22 hours ago, John Drake said:
Several years ago, I read that some 800,000 Chinese had moved into Laos. They simply came in and started to live there like they owned the place. That, in a country of 7 million people. I can't find the article now and I see that Wikipedia says the Chinese in Laos only amount to one or two percent of the population, although they dominate 100 percent of business, finance, and commerce. So who knows the real numbers. I do know that it is a distinct source of trouble to share a border with China or border a small country that does and serves as a transit corridor.
This is another example of why one should be very wary of Wikipedia. I can already disprove the article, seeing as I know several Lao persons without Chinese ancestry who are businessmen. Anyone who has any sense whatsoever would immediately know this is utter <deleted>.
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9 hours ago, hotchilli said:
The Nordic police ?
It's a typo. They're actually the team that deals with unfortunate foreign men who have been Bobbitted by their wives and had their members fed to ducks. The "No-Dick" Police.
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On 12/8/2022 at 8:39 AM, Gottfrid said:
That´s great! Amazing to see a fellow dirt bag, that swindle others to get caught while living the high life. Now it´s time to face the music to a different tune. Bye bye Mr. Big!
Seems bad form to be cheering on someone who is apparently doing the same thing as you but was unfortunately caught whilst doing so.
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1 minute ago, Pla Simon said:
You're wrong in your interpretation of my post and of me.
I gave an opinion based on a balanced viewpoint - I certainly don't advocate violence. I have no political leanings towards extremist views in any sense, but nevertheless find such stories evocative.
Not interested in any of the groups you started electronically shouting about - nor did I make the slightest inference.
It's down to your view. To say there aren't radicals on all sides is completely wrong, in my opinion.
This is to me problematic - not about yourself personally, as I don't know you nor have I recalled any posts of yours. Nor that your statement is incorrect, of course there are radicals on all sides, and even some sides that we as normal people probably don't even know exist.
What's problematic is that here is an unambiguous article about a clear threat from the Right and, in all places, in Germany where it all went so bad in the past. An article that points out how this is just another example of the threats to democracy that are all emerging around the same time and from the same general political direction. The response of many from the Right is to downplay the seriousness of the incident and then to engage in "whataboutism". Your post was classic "whataboutism". Sure, there are some Left radicals/extremists that exist in this world. Why are you even mentioning them? What did they have to do with this incident? Why bring them up unless there's been a concerted effort from the Left to overthrow democratically elected governments?
This is why I responded to your post. It is the same reason why we Lefties get upset with "All Lives Matter". Sure, of course, that was never in question and was never THE question. It's raised to reduce the impact of the BLM movement by trivializing what they're fighting against and it's raised by people who are not and have never been threatened in the same way.- 1
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2 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:
Back in the 1970s the threat to democracy came mostly from the left. Today it comes mostly from the right. I did not intend to imply that the threat today comes from the left, but you mentioned in your post that it never came from the left.
Yeah, I suppose so. The biggest threat to the Baader-Meinhof Gang is Old Age.
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Seven shot dead at Jerusalem synagogue
in World News
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Oh, really? So point me to your posts about the Iranian government and their cold-blooded torture-murder of dozens of students and protesters. I'm sure there must be several since this has been going on for a while. I'm sure, like the many posts here about Israel, that your posts hectoring the Iranian government are filled with ironic references to "Fascists" and "pogroms" and other words that just happen to be those describing the Nazis.
Just one post of yours and your point is well taken. If there are however no posts about Iran and their far far far far far worse behaviour over the last several months, then you're a liar and full of it.