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2 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

Was hoping for some intelligent responses not personal attacks?  Nothing has been explained except how it is indiscriminate bombing.  Still waiting?

So when you inform the public that an area is about to be bombed and tell them to evacuate because you're attacking a military target embedded in an area of civilian infrastructure and homes, you consider this to be indiscriminate. Is that correct? When you bomb an area that appears to be a civilian hospital or school then your ground operations expose that it was, in fact, a military installation hidden within the civilian infrastructure, is this then still indiscriminate bombing? Or was it actually targeted all along? Even if they targeted it and find it wasn't a military installation, then it's actually not indiscriminate, it's an intelligence failure. Of course, we could call all war an intelligence failure on the part of humans, but that's besides the point.

Do you think they're deliberately trying to miss their targets when they start the bombing that they informed the populace about? Or do you think they're deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure to inflict damage and pain? That's also not indiscriminate bombing.

Indiscriminate bombing is something like carpet bombing, not targeted at all. Something like firing rockets towards a country without knowing or caring where they land. Something like the air campaign over Germany that had targets but no precision about how to hit them nor care about what happened to the population so they just bombed the crap out of it.

So no, I don't see this as indiscriminate bombing. It's targeted and deliberate and aimed at specific military installations, infrastructure, personnel and command and control centers. Does this mean it doesn't cause damage around and elsewhere? No, of course it does, there is no "precision bombing" and there is lots of "collateral damage" but these are all nice language tricks to distract people from the horror of war. Unfortunately, this is about as "clean" as it gets. Hamas deliberately puts their military infrastructure in these places and this is why we say they're using the population as human shields.

Contrast what's happening in Gaza with what's happening in Ukraine. Do you think there is more or less indiscriminate bombing in Ukraine? Do you think they're targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure in Ukraine? I think there's more indiscriminate bombing and more targeting. But it's just less dense in terms of population in most of the places where the bombing is happening - until it isn't and then a Ukrainian city is completely leveled and destroyed and the casualties among the population rise. Look forward to your "thoughts" on these points.

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

The reason that I have different views on other topics is that they are not about the elimination of all the Palestinians in Gaza, be they men, women or children, innocent or guilty of being a supporter of Hamas.

 

I think that for every Palestinian, innocent or guilty, slaughtered by the IDF in Gaza, there is another supporter of Palestine created somewhere in the world.

 

So, IMHO it will be impossible for Netanyahu to kill every supporter of Palestine and/or Hamas inside of Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon or elsewhere.

 

It is long past time that the people of Israel stopped him and his Zionist war cabinet. The other option is for the US to stop supporting him.

 

They have been talking since October 7th, and they have achieved nothing, and yet every day more people on both sides are killed and injured.

 

The exact same thing should also happen to all the Hamas leadership.

 

All of them should be locked in a big room along with all of the Israeli leaders and left to fight among themselves to the death of ALL of them.

You've become unhinged unfortunately. Listen to your own words - I have different views on other topics because they're not about the elimination of all the Palestinians in Gaza...what does that have to do with your views on other topics? How do your views on the current Israel-Hamas conflict affect your understanding of the African National Congress from decades ago? Why does it make you attempt to draw such an absurd parallel? Do you think this is some internet jihad you're engaging in and you'll somehow win us all over by spouting nonsense?

And while a few Far Right nutters in the Israeli government have said stuff as they always do, who said Israel is trying to eliminate all the Palestinians in Gaza? While we both agree that we strongly dislike Netanyahu, he said this six days ago "I want to make a few points absolutely clear,” Netanyahu said. “Israel has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population. Israel is fighting Hamas terrorists, not the Palestinian population, and we are doing so in full compliance with international law.” I guess we'll find out about the last part in the Netherlands after a few years. But stop trying to pretend that this isn't exactly what Hamas wanted when they undertook their pogrom on 7 October.

Would I like to see the Right in Israel voted out of power and a new government pursue peace? Sure, you mean the Israeli Left like Rabin/Peres? They pursued peace and got an accord before it was rejected and the Palestinian people chose a cynical path forward. How did that go? Why didn't that work? Who walked away from the negotiating table? There are thick books written about this, and I'm not an expert, but it was a genuine attempt at establishing peace and got to a certain point in the mid-90s before it all collapsed because of hardliners on both sides. And as it benefited them, the hardliners have just pushed the conflict further and further as this ensures their ability to either scare the populace into voting them back in (regardless of these people already being convicted of corruption charges) or prevent another vote from ever happening since 2005. Now it's almost impossible for either side to elect peace-seeking leaders. But you would blame this exclusively on the Israelis I suppose. The Palestinians are just innocent children?

I do like your solution of locking them all in a room to fight to the death, but it would end with just more on both sides ready and willing to replace them. It's pretty intractable at this point. I don't see how it moves forward with Hamas intact and in power. They've been crystal clear that they have zero interest in peace of any sort, anywhere, with anyone. The Netanyahus of the world are happy to take advantage of this intransigence to push their own fascist visions forward.

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Please explain the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.

 

Nelson Mandela was called both a terrorist and a freedom fighter, yet ended up as President of South Africa.

 

I would call Netanyahu a terrorist and a war criminal for what he has ordered to be done in the Gaza strip, and has been doing for years.

 

But that is just my opinion, which is worth the same as your opinion.

I have forgotten the details because it was so long ago, but did the ANC undertake rape and murder operations similar to 7 October? Did their charter call for the elimination of every white South African from the soil? Did they engage in random bombings or rocket attacks on the white civilian population? Maybe they did, but I can't remember that happening. But that's the difference in case you didn't know.

This is just a disingenuous comparison, but that's what I have come to expect from you but only it seems on this topic. You have more sensible posts about other things, perhaps you should question why that is the case.

I would also call Netanyahu a war criminal so we're in agreement there.

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

There were hundreds and they don't go astray. That's complete BS. The aircraft were not under attack.

LOL. You new to warfare? There's smart bombs, and there's dumb ones. The smart ones are expensive, and they're not the majority of what's dropped in any war for that reason. Have you observed anything in Ukraine? It's such a dumb comment, you'd have to be living in a box to have such a lack of understanding.

So why then weren't the committee allowed to go and confirm that the poor poor man was indeed getting treatment at the aforementioned hospital and to contrast that treatment with that of the other prisoners? Some reason you deny access to these people?

On 12/27/2023 at 9:06 PM, mfd101 said:

Sensible comments from the PM whom lots of people here like to sneer at.

And the point of strategy documents and committees is...what exactly? Employment for the idle rich and connected?

Why is he instructing this committee whom he will ignore and advise subsequent government to ignore to create a "framework"? What's the point?

The first step in ensuring that the rich and powerful's child-criminals are able to avoid any consequences of their actions is to provide the Boys in Brown with the envelopes of encouragement to enable them to do what they do best - deliberately start stuffing things up so that by the time any "trial" comes around, the accused has already flown the coop to posh digs in foreign countries without extradition treaties and the evidence is available to dismiss the charges. Then you gauge public outrage to determine whether you can get away with it at first glance, and if not, then you add more evidence tampering and new witness testimony along with other false information to muddy the waters and extend the time since the offense. If worse comes to worse and the public still care, you simply ignore Interpol notices and the perp rides out the time until statute of limitations expire.

You can also just come and face the consequences and spend the time in a luxury hospital custom-designed for your pleasure so you can live as if you were free for a few months until you are "exonerated" or "forgiven". As to the victims, they're dead and justice will be done in the next life according to karmic wheels. There is no mystery to this.

"They're not sending their best." 

17 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

I see a touch of "McCarthyism" in your statement as just because people's names are  on a list does not make them criminals!

I could not care less. The extremely rich and powerful do not suffer from a lack of justice or persecution. They are in no way victims like those whom McCarthy went after. Learn your history.

2 hours ago, blazes said:

 

Of course, you've got to remember Canada is so woke a country that even immigrants from the 3rd world seeking a better life in Canada have been reported to be leaving in large numbers!

And this has exactly what to do with the topic? Do you think these planes are filled with immigrants leaving in large numbers?

3 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Do a political give and take.

For quick Thai hostage release, offer Hamas/PLO an embassy in Thailand. Gives them international creditability, like with North Korea.

So the solution to terrorism is to reward the terrorists with international credibility. Got it. Reward terrorist groups for randomly kidnapping non-combatants working in agriculture by giving them an embassy. What could go wrong?