MrY

Freeing experienced fishermen early for good behavior could help the fishing industry.

If they have experience in working in the fishing industry and are willing to work in the field, it could help solve the current shortage of fishermen,

as they will go find work as fishermen on their own as soon as they are free again.

There. Fixed it for you.

The free and willing do not need any programs, just point them in the right direction and give them a helping hand.

Damage Done.

Thailand made it to the top of world news for a day for arresting the students and 'banning' Hunger Games. Even though if you read the news through, (at least according to the ones I perused) the general himself took it quite lightly (the students were held only a few hours) and the movie was only cancelled at locations where it was used stage anti-government demonstrations (correct me if I'm wrong), it's the headlines that most people pay attention to and remember.

They should have hired these guys to do the video (it's been posted before but worth doing again):

I watch it sometimes to remind myself what it felt like when I first arrived. And why I stayed.

Nobody cares how tight she turns in the AVSIM world cobber but I did not quote from the Boeing manual (never seen it) but from our mobs' FCOM. The notes therein state otherwise. Maybe the notes are wrong. I would not stake my job on it.

The rest of what you said is a total misrepresentation of what I posted.

- regards, arunsakda

(For those of you who are interested I can recommend a site called pprune.org where every aviation incident wordwide, no matter how minor, such as this KKC excursion, is commented on, in obsessive detail by professionals and wannabe's alike until the bloody cows come home.)

...and I did go [as suggested] to www.pprune.org (that's Professional Pilots Rumour Network), which I'm a long time member of.

http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far-east/550587-tg-stuck-mud.html

You should check it out ]t won't take much of your time as it is a whole 13 posts long and spans a whole two days from 4th to 6th of November. (Hint: On the 6th they hadn't even dug the plane out of mud yet....)

Here's the cheat sheet;

#1 - A link to Flight Global initial article. Short, factual, no insight.

#2 - Links to the same BKK Post article I recommended. Check it out. No need to read, it's got pictures...

#3 - Two pics from the same BKK Post article I... OK, you got the picture. A plane in mud. Plane and golfers.

#4 - Comment on rwy width. Some 'speculation' based on photos. Golfers 555.

#5 - Question on what "Khon Kaen’s single runway has no taxiways" in news might mean.

#6 - Comment contemplating if the cause might have been differential thrust. Comment on another similar event.

#7 - A non-pilot commenting on necessity of u-turns at such 'small' airports and the dangers thereof.

#8 - An A330/340 pilot saying the turn is easy and that "These guys either screwed up or there are other factors".

#9 - Wondering it a 70m turn is easy or not.

#10 - Quotes 46m turning width from A330 FCOM

#11 - Reply to #4. Golfers 555.

#12 - Yes, 70m turn is easy, harder at night. Thinks they didn't start the turn the correct, turned fast, went off. Looks like.

#13 - "Flew out of there last week, the runway condition where it went off is appalling."

So there. That is it. Wow. Just wow. Ming bottling.

Edit: Bold added.

Nobody cares how tight she turns in the AVSIM world cobber but I did not quote from the Boeing manual (never seen it) but from our mobs' FCOM. The notes therein state otherwise. Maybe the notes are wrong. I would not stake my job on it.

The rest of what you said is a total misrepresentation of what I posted.

- regards, arunsakda

(For those of you who are interested I can recommend a site called pprune.org where every aviation incident wordwide, no matter how minor, such as this KKC excursion, is commented on, in obsessive detail by professionals and wannabe's alike until the bloody cows come home.)

AVSIM? I've been rated on the 737 since 1993. I guess that was an attempt at an insult. Yo mama so fat...

I was just quoting directly from Boeing [for your benefit] as I've never seen any manual mention your procedure, but mainly my reply was directed to the poster that thought your post was somehow factual or insightful.

And Have a Nice Day.

There is not much information in the article to justify all the vast speculations on this thread. One thing I wish to point out is that this is by NO MEANS a short runway! Although this is a small regional airport a 150x10,000 foot runway is very suitable for widebody operations. Perhaps a certain North American power laid it down a few years back for their F104s and B52's while they were in a life and death struggle with another "idea" known as Communism, I don't know.

Anyway I checked the limitations info for the A330. If the pilot attempted a 180 mid runway ( that is not clear at all in the article) without going to the turnout on the end he/she would have been operating with little margin for error. I fly 737's and on the 737-800 the minimum 180 distance is about 79 feet. That is a Boeing test limitation however proven under controlled conditions and requiring differential power and max differential braking. I wouldn't try it without a spotter.

Good post. Nice to see some facts.

Eh,.. ...no. He has not read the thread through. It has been noted that the runway was short but has been extended in recent years. Also, [as he would know if he spent a minute on Google first] KKC it was not a USAF B52 base , so that's just more speculating. If he clicked on the BKK Post link, he'd seen the pictures, and wouldn't speculate on a mid-runway 180 degree turn as this was obviously not the case. Furthermore, the pavement width requirement for a Boeing 737-800 is for a normal turn under most conditions (not snow and ice obviously) and has been demonstrated for a "Slow continuous turning with minimum thrust on all engines. No differential braking." (The quote is verbatim from the Boeing 737 NG manual that he was quoting the 79 feet from. Same page even.) There is no requirement for differential thrust or braking to achieve a 79 foot turn, as he would be well aware had he ever taxied a 737. The 737 can actually turn a bit tighter than that (or so I read somewhere...)

It's a junta. What did you expect? That's how any junta gets s*** done. Everyone is happy to comply. Hear that? Happy. And that's what Thailand is all about. Ugh.

20% increase over 2013 what are these guys smoking?

Krong Thip, Marlboro, whatnot...

Do do your due diligence first.

CNX passenger traffic [and CM tourism in general] has been growing leaps and bounds since 2010 and will continue to do so in the near future. January to September 2014 international passenger movements are up 63% [!!] over the same period in 2013 while domestic traffic is up 11% for a total of 19.xx%. Looking at the trend for the rest of the year I'd say 20% is right on the money. (Source: AOT, not TAT)

I'm glad to see the old traditions are still alive and well.

Back in the Soviet days of Pravda ("the Truth) and Izvestia ("the News") the Russkies used to say "There is no truth in Pravda and no news in "Izvestia"...

O.K, but it seems they dont work too good looking at the Burnt Rubber on all runways.

I suspect you already know the answer to this one, but I will reply anyway for the benefit of the others.

That "Burnt Rubber" is from the touchdown when the wheel is not spinning yet. During a normal landing on a dry runway the tire accelerates 0-250kph in a fraction of a second. Naturally this lays a little rubber... It is the main cause of aircraft tire wear.

The circular marks at the end of the runway are from pilots taking a turn too fast. This happens quite easily as only a small fraction of aircraft weight is on the nose wheel. The pilot needs to momentarily apply brakes to shift weight forward when initiating a turn to avoid skidding at higher taxi speeds. The same applies to coming out of a turn but to a lesser degree.

Saphan Sung District Office director Kanchana Charbsuwan also showed up at the court later in the morning to pay the fine with money from Bangkok Governor MR Sukhumbhand Paribatra and Interior Minister General Anupong Paochinda.

I don't for a minute believe this to be true. Just a base publicity stunt. They had plenty of time before to intervene and inject some sense into this comedy.

Why do Airplanes only have Seatbelts,no ABS or Air-bags i wonder.? ABS would save planes going off the end of the runway, according to some posters. .

Ace what size airbag would you recommend when nosediving into the ground from 30,000 feet?

Same size as nosediving from 1000 feet. Won't make any difference....

Like [stand up comedian] Billy Connolly said: "Last night a DC-10 smacked into a mountain in Peru. Luckily everyone was wearing seat belts."

But seriously, commercial aircraft do have a system called Anti-Skid. It's kind of like ABS, but more. An if it is Inoperative there is a severe penalty in field length required for takeoff and landing without it.

Airbags on the other hand are a different story. Cost, weight, and complexity of installation and operation are some of the concerns. No matter how safety conscious airlines say they are, no one wants to be the first to bear the cost. It will have to be introduced by the civil aviation authority.

Back to cars now.

It is disheartening. To see how few bother to read this thread through, that is.

It's not 'inhumane' to have a Husky in Thailand. A yard (any size, they won't stay in anyway), shade, a fan and plenty fresh water, that's about it. They won't overheat and an occasional visit to air-con in the hottest weather will keep heat exhaustion (different from overheating) at bay.

If you've ever run your fingers through a Husky's coat at different times of year, you'd know the difference between the summer and winter coats even if you can't tell the difference just by looking at them. The summer coat is very 'airy' and protects them form heat. Remember, dogs do not sweat through their skin. The winter coat is thick and layered and decidedly 'luxurious' (don't tell Paris Hilton).

Pugs and Boxers might be a different story, but if those are the breeds you love and you are willing to go the extra mile, then go ahead.

Sure Huskies [and many other 'exotic' breeds] are "high maintenance". So are mistresses and Maseratis. You've just got to know what you are getting into.

Where we lived [back in Falangland] the local drunkard used to break into people's summer houses, take the booze, and leave an IOU. With his name on it. Now that's what I call polite. If you caught him in the summer you could get him to pay back with garden work and such [provided you would give him something to drink, of course, otherwise he was unable..].

It's two that I know about, and you are one I know about who have been saved. I am not against the wearing of seatbelts, and respect you and others who want to wear them. I just think that if I was driving, and someone came out from a side road and I could not avoid hitting them, I would be able to duck down quickly to avoid the steering wheel maybe killing me.

Another thing, how many deaths and injuries are caused by drivers getting hit by the steering wheel into their chest or throat?

Many. Caused by not having a seat belt on in an accident.

(This rotaphobia brings some [Monty Pythonesque] images of a Killer Steering Wheel to mind.

The light turns green at a major intersection. Traffic starts moving but for one car. The driver slumped against the horn with his windpipe crushed. The Killer Steering Wheel has struck again...)

It's doubtful they see any need for a parallel taxiway yet. Since it is mostly a domestic airport accepting short-haul flights with highly predictable arrival times, [in theory] they will just adjust arrivals and departures so that backtracking on the runway will not cause delays to other aircraft. It takes quite a few aircraft movements per day to arrive at that point. Then it still takes quite a few 'events' (diversions due to holding until low on fuel, departure delays for arriving aircraft, ramp congestion due to the delays, BKK departure holds due to KKC ramp delays, a few close calls for a good measure, etc.) before anyone will see the need for a taxiway. Once there's enough traffic to make delays, mishaps, negative publicity, and airline and passenger complains a constant issue, then they will start planning. When that translates into action is anyone's guess.

When I started flying to KKC in '95 it was already recognized the runway needed to be extended. Due to the short runway and a steep drop at the arrival end of runway 03 (still there, it seems) it was affectionately called USS King Kong (should have been HTMS, I guess) amongst us. I'd love to know what year did they finally extend the runway.

5 pages and our resident airbag installer OP hasn't been back with details on how he managed to add the airbags to a standard vehicle. It's not enough to put them in, they've got to deploy right too. But maybe he's from Sweden and works at Volvo R&D....

I would assume if the extra safety features are available within the product range they can be added after the fact to those same vehicles that do not have them simply buy purchasing the relevant parts required and fitting them.

I have serious doubts this is a financially viable upgrade though.

That's the point. Sure they can be added, it's just that it would involve much more work and parts than is immediately obvious. I doubt the vehicle would be wired to accept the airbags, sensors, control box, etc. Search the internets for someone who has done this and let me know if you find anyone...

Husky in tropical area ???

Congratulation for all those who do this.

My Husky at Patagonia sometimes stays all day under snow and feels himself so well.

Poor Husky dogs who get idiot owners.

For sure if you brought your Husky from Patagonia with a full winter coat he would not cope well with the heat. But in a month or so he would have shed his coat and be able to cope. It would of course be easier if he was born in the tropics, but he'd be fine in any case.

Out of curiosity I checked several Husky websites about the owners opinion on this, and none of the people that had Huskies in hot climates considered it a problem. Note that there were several owners that had moved from cold to hot. Myself owning two large dogs with a double coat in the tropics also do not see where the problem is. Common sense is all you need. The Huskies I've seen with responsible owners in Thailand seem to be doing very well. They are quite active, they are not suffering (a dog panting with his tongue out is not in pain) and do not seem very prone to any tropical ailments (as long as some idiot does not shave them).

Weaning my dogs off the air-con, I used to give them ice cubes to cool down (and please don't anyone tell me how 'dangerous' this is, it's been thoroughly refuted) and they love it [as dogs cool down with their tongues]. I do occasionally also give them a bowl of ice water. Note that most dogs will drink all the ice water you give them, and therein lies the danger! I give my two monsters one large cup to share, then fill up the bowl without ice.

Only a braindead idiot get's the cold-weather breeds like St Bernards (yes one idiot farang in KT bought one these, poor thing was almost always a lethargic mess), husky's without massive considerations beforehand.

I love St Bernards but also they are " extremely high maintenance " !

I have seen these dogs " wolf down a tin of PAL Chum in seconds " and that is not a meal. For them its just a " Scooby Snack " Viewers!

Farang Jaidee

I know... We've got two male Mastiffs (70+ kg). Gave them a 250gr lump of beef each once as a treat. One gently carried it to a distance to eat and enjoy it, but our goofy one took one hard bite and swallowed it whole with an expression of 'more?' on his face...

5 pages and our resident airbag installer OP hasn't been back with details on how he managed to add the airbags to a standard vehicle. It's not enough to put them in, they've got to deploy right too. But maybe he's from Sweden and works at Volvo R&D....

Also, it seems like they've deleted my "Dislike This" button for all those comments about not wearing seat belts for fear of getting trapped or not being able to duck to the side (Is the imprint of the radio buttons on your visage that much cooler than the one caused by the windshield?), or in hopes of being thrown clear of a rolling vehicle, etc. Those cases are one in a million, and so are we, but I would not take my chances on it. And if I did, I would not dare to represent my "seat belt paranoia" as a realistic and viable option to others. Having experienced a few accidents [with and without seat belts], I've got no illusions about ones ability to 'control' anything past start of an impact.

I've also tried a seat belt rig at an auto expo from 20km/h to an instant full stop. You will absolutely not be able stay in your seat without seat belts. Also, while the steering wheel on the rig was made flexible, I'm sure trying to stop yourself by holding the steering wheel at speeds any higher than that would simply turn your thumbs backwards. Take a note again of the speed I'm talking about....

Just the mental image of someone Googling "glory hole bangkok hotel" got me to Google it myself. Erawan (this thread) is number one...

Looks like the cop in orange has just given the guy in front of him a well deserved slap.

It doesn't look like that at all, someone should give you a well-deserved slap for suggesting it.

Deserved or not, it does comically look like one of the perps got tapped on the back of the head by the cop holding the gun...

I take it you are an experienced pilot then?

By black boxes I take it you mean the flight recorders?

This was a ground incident not a flying issue.

It is reassuring there are so many experts who have never sat in the left hand seat.

Thanks for the reply. Saved me the trouble.

And BTW, this "accident" certainly wasn't serious enough to turn those "black boxes" black (Guess what color they are before an accident?) I've been on sites of that kind of accidents too as part of initial accident site inspection team. (No, I'm not a "Certified Accident Investigator" but one of our Captains in South Africa was an experienced ICAO accident investigator on call and could recruit other experienced pilots on the spot.)

All these people are mafia related. Most get a bed & food everyday ... dropped off in the morning and picked up at night.

nothing more ... nothing less .......

ALL?? You have no way of knowing that "all" BKK beggars are mafia related. Learn the difference between what you guess is true and what you actually know for a fact.

Practically all of these people are mafia related.

There, fixed for you. There may be an occasional outsider once in a while, but from what I've seen if they stick around they will end up paying someone for the privilege. And you've got to define 'mafia' quite loosely, it's not Cosa Nostra. Seem like most of it here is controlled by the Serve and Protect guys...