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THE former CIA employee who leaked top-secret information about US surveillance programs said in Hong Kong yesterday that he is not attempting to hide from justice in the Chinese city but hopes to use it as a base to reveal wrongdoing.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nsp/World/2013/06/13/Whistleblower%2Bsays%2Bhe%2Bwill%2Breveal%2Bcriminality/

US whistleblower Edward Snowden said the US government had been hacking into computers in Hong Kong and on the Chinese mainland for years during an inverview with the South China Morning Post. [Photo: CFP/CRI Online]

http://english.cri.cn/6909/2013/06/13/2941s769912.htm

http://www.ecns.cn/2013/06-13/68194.shtml

... and more

sadly it will lead to the next step of the super surveillance saga.

Google bought Motorola not because of the phony quality of the phones, but for the secret advanced development of nano chips for ID, called "Tatoo" and the "Pill" for to access the internet and store all data in it or through it. Right now there's a scheduled secret meeting after there was one in the UK before. RFID are to clumsy, lol

Scary stuff.

• Now look at this of what happens when you can't erase your data after some time.
• Edward Snowden worked for a Japanese anime company when he was 18 years old that was run by friends in Maryland
• On the company's website, he wrote of his skills with video games and his popularity among women
• Revelations about his youth come after he gave an interview to the South China Morning Post Wednesday in which he claimed that the NSA has hacked the country's universities, businesses and politicians
• New York Congressman Peter King for the arrest of Guardian journalist Glen Greenwald, as well as Snowden
• Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2340565/Edward-Snowden-I-like-girlish-figure-How-NSA-leaker-Snowden-bragged-physique-online-ability-attract-nubile-young-girls.html#ixzz2W4Yp9TDB

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the interesting thing is now that mainstream media jumps in boldly. Some try their usual mind-control settings, but quite a few have left the ship of corporate gangland style.

Another interesting observation from a week ago. The first time in 60 years of secret Bilderberg meetings some MSM bowed to the pressure and started questioning.

Edward is in Hongkong and gave another interview to South China Morning Post

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259508/edward-snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-hong-kong-and-china?page=1#comments

let the people decide. Enough of these manipulations. Petition signing is in full swing.

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_prism_global_do/?tXdUlab

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/the-dirty-little-secret-about-nsa-spying-it-doesnt-work.html -

and BTW I thought whistle blowing is like this. One of the main initiators to restrict freedom of speech, Bill Clinton, likes so much ...

But we wish this jewel to meet with Edward. Who knows, maybe first lady some day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZBUrQdhXw

Booz Allen is in the stock market since 2010 and Carlyle group has 70% share. Does Carlyle group ring bells here? Who setup T?

$5.8 billion turnover last year. 99% government contracts and 23% of that working secret services including the CIA. 25000 employees with about 17000 of that figure have security clearance. hmm ...

Other private groups working with NSA are Boeing, General Dynamics, Palantir, CACI, CSC and Logicon.

In other words the taxpayers pay billions to have the elite spy on them?

Advice for Snowden from a man who knows: 'Always check six'

By Andrea Shalal-Esa

WASHINGTON | Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:59pm EDT

(Reuters) - Thomas Drake is one of the few people who understands from personal experience what the future may hold for Edward Snowden, the 29-year-old former NSA contractor who exposed the U.S. government's top secret phone and Internet surveillance programs.

His advice for Snowden: "Be lawyered up to the max and find a place where it's going to be that much more difficult for the United States to make arrangements for his return," Drake said. "And always check six, as we said when I used to be a flyer in the Air Force. Always make sure you know what's behind you."

Drake, a 56-year-old former intelligence official at the National Security Agency, was prosecuted under the Espionage Act in 2010 for allegedly revealing classified information about the agency's sweeping warrantless wire-tapping program. The government later dropped all but a misdemeanor charge.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/11/us-usa-security-nsa-drake-idUSBRE95A12X20130611

other mainstream media are discussing ways of where and how Edward could go and hide. Never seen this before. It's a German link, so I not post it here. I think he will be free after the storm has settled and the head of State, his corporations and handlers are brought to justice.

I have always been amazed at how willingly people have turned over information on the internet. The wealth of information that is available is absolutely astonishing and much of it is supplied by people who consider themselves to be rather private people. On Facebook, you can almost trace a family tree.

I don't have a lot to hide, but am still astounded at how the dots between my on-line persona have been connected to my real identity.

The only saving grace in this, is the shear volume of information available would be overwhelming.

I think many have the same attitude and it's a kind of an emphatic reaction to our world we live in. Nothing wrong with that.

But I think it's important to keep diversity and freedom at the utmost highest level and goal in our live.

We know the stories when things went terribly wrong when these kind of agencies start profiling each and everyone, and there are many. Profiling is the keyword and this is what it is about. Nothing to do with security or terrorist hunting. Your and everyone's data will be stored forever or at least a 100 years(current capacity).

It's not to blame these agencies, but the legislators. On top of it Obama.

The world should be tired of his lies.

On Monday he said no Americans are tapped only foreigners. He got debunked. Now he says only time and numbers are stored in an interview yesterday.

Seriously, what is he up to?

Who are his handlers? There is where the problem is.

All the others like Facebook, Google and a few others need to upgrade to strict privacy. If someone wants to cancel the account it must be erased from the servers as well, not a big deal. I run a script like this myself. Lets say a 3-6 month period for total erasing the data will be sufficient and the services can't be abused if someone has sinister plans. Facebook on purpose stores your data eternal, even when you cancel the account.

Verizon bypassed and made an optic fiber cable to the feds. Fortunately they got busted. Who to trust?

Governments are changing constantly. Where are the guaranties for protection? It doesn't exist when we don't have independent controlling measures in place.

As conclusion I'd say, it went to far.

Obama will get a not so friendly welcome when he travels to Germany. Tough questions will be waiting for him and under no secret veil. His pride is hurt. Now lets see if he's a man and takes the consequences of his deeds.

"deep pocket inception"

While the Government arguably has "deep pockets", I beleve the term you are looking for is "deep packet inspection"

oops sorry you're right.

I also was on the blog of Google's chief engineers. They admitted that it is possible by "deep pocket inception" and for Google's excuse they would quit if they found out. This blog-post made it to the news, but the original directly at the blog got altered since then.

Others suggested a mole who probably stole the main security keys. ...

since the breaking news on Thursday a simple search shows over one billion(1,000,040,000) links to webpages. Can we post them here? This just shows how big this issue is on a global scale.

I searched "snowden NSA". I think this is the highest on a news search. After 72 hours there were 540 million links.

I don't think this is a time to soothe that down or cover it up. Serious international laws have been broken. Even millions are aware about this since decades and it has taken grip now because of Snowden's actions.

And to the so called polls. Many know how manipulation in that field takes place. Seen it myself. There's lots of fraud going on in that field.

In this case it would be better to see the actual questions asked and the type of group that were questioned.

somehow that sums it up

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”

It depends if one looks at a larger picture or at pieces of a jigsaw only. NSA and any other institutions are just pieces of the whole picture. It worries me to see things developing in this way.

Are we supposed to bow to an indoctrinated corporate globalization?

I believe in the natural development over this issue, fair and just in every direction and not these indoctrination on grand scale for the upper 0.01% of the world population.

What does a program like this serve or better who? I'm all for freedom with responsibility, but it is exactly that what is under attack.

Food for thoughts I hope.

In no way look I at the actions of Snowden as an attack on any of these agencies.

I don't know your reasons of hating these guys so much. This was due to happen in one way or the other.

The year of the snake is the time when secrets will be exposed, Look it up. I normally look at these things for entertainment, but it seems there's something true with that. I'm not surprised. There will be more things like this coming, and for your peace, from every direction.

I think Snowden answered that too

#17 “I had been looking for leaders, but I realized that leadership is about being the first to act.”

Think about of who set these companies up and for what purpose.

I run 2 western anti - malware, virus and phishing programs and a Chinese one. Funny the Chinese one immediately found and deleted "outbrowse.exe". I could say a word or two from where it came. Some are packed into trusted software packages. - hint

BTW, nobody says or said that professionals in these agencies are bad, but watch the interview,

It took me a few days to work up the nerve to phone William Binney. As someone already a “target” of the United States government, I found it difficult not to worry about the chain of unintended consequences I might unleash by calling Mr. Binney, a 32-year veteran of the National Security Agency turned whistle-blower. He picked up. I nervously explained I was a documentary filmmaker and wanted to speak to him. To my surprise he replied: “I’m tired of my government harassing me and violating the Constitution. Yes, I’ll talk to you.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/the-national-security-agencys-domestic-spying-program.html?_r=0

Majority Views NSA Phone Tracking as Acceptable Anti-terror Tactic

Pew Poll: Public Says Investigate Terrorism, Even If It Intrudes on Privacy

http://www.people-press.org/2013/06/10/majority-views-nsa-phone-tracking-as-acceptable-anti-terror-tactic/

Decisive majorities of Americans are sufficiently attentive to terrorism to the point that 56% support the current NSA program of phone tracking and 62% say it is more important for the federal government to investigate possible terrorist threats, even if that intrudes on personal privacy.

This means the wild guess numbers posted above need to be significantly revised. It in fact means the numbers above need to be, for all practical purposes, reversed - or almost so.

The Pew Center findings, published Monday, also mean a good number of posters at TVF need to reassess their thinking of what we the American people want, prefer, consider on balance, find acceptable, and believe. Once again a substantial number of posters are inconsistent with the great American middle, i.e., the majority point of view of Americans in general. It's just long past time for some people who post here to get real. They need to become recovering radical extremists.

Roughly a quarter (27%) of Americans say they are very closely following news about the government collecting Verizon phone records. This is a relatively modest level of public interest, to state it mildly. Only another 21% say they are following this fairly closely, while about half say they are following it not too (17%) or not at all (35%) closely.

The public's Interest in reports about the government tracking of e-mail and online activities is almost identical: 26% say they are following this story very closely, 33% not closely at all.

The NSA program is just not the end of Western civilization that a number of posters here might like to suggest, nor is it the end of the U.S. constitution or of freedom or liberty in the United States. The NSA program is viewed by the large center-middle of the United States - the body politic - as another necessary and tightly controlled program and policy that is designed and implemented to protect us against the many foreign terrorists who burn with the passion to destroy us.

Edward Snowdon, where ever you may be in your underground cover, you just threw your life away. You talk a good game but haven't any university degree. I think you just earned one in BS.

I don't think these figures are real. I'd bet on that.

Was not an intelligent move at all. Universities in the USA asking people to quit services like Facebook, Google, Hotmail etc.. You can find a link on that above at businessinsider.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/opinion/the-national-security-agencys-domestic-spying-program.html?_r=0

It's about William Binney another whistle blower who worked for the NSA. No charges were filed. The Video interview is quite revealing and we can see from the revelations of Snowden that it got even worse.

I think Edward Joseph Snowden has or will have support from some colleagues in these agencies he worked for. This is going to be a big test for the US. It all went too far.

27 key notes or quotes from Snowden

#1 “The majority of people in developed countries spend at least some time interacting with the Internet, and Governments are abusing that necessity in secret to extend their powers beyond what is necessary and appropriate.”

#2 “…I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents.”

#3 “The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to.”

#4 “…I can’t in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they’re secretly building.”

#5 “The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything.”

#6 “With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your e-mails or your wife’s phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your e-mails, passwords, phone records, credit cards.”

#7 “Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere… I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President…”

#8 “To do that, the NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. It collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them for periods of time simply because that’s the easiest, most efficient and most valuable way to achieve these ends. So while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government, or someone that they suspect of terrorism, they are collecting YOUR communications to do so.”

#9 “I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinized most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians.”

#10 “…they are intent on making every conversation and every form of behavior in the world known to them.”

#11 “Even if you’re not doing anything wrong, you’re being watched and recorded. …it’s getting to the point where you don’t have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you’ve ever made, every friend you’ve ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life.”

#12 “Allowing the U.S. government to intimidate its people with threats of retaliation for revealing wrongdoing is contrary to the public interest.”

#13 “Everyone everywhere now understands how bad things have gotten — and they’re talking about it. They have the power to decide for themselves whether they are willing to sacrifice their privacy to the surveillance state.”

#14 “I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under.”

#15 “I don’t want to live in a world where there’s no privacy, and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity.”

#16 “I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong.”

#17 “I had been looking for leaders, but I realized that leadership is about being the first to act.”

#18 “There are more important things than money. If I were motivated by money, I could have sold these documents to any number of countries and gotten very rich.”

#19 “The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. [People] won’t be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things… And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it’s only going to get worse. [The NSA will] say that… because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny.”

#20 “I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant.”

#21 “You can’t come up against the world’s most powerful intelligence agencies and not accept the risk.”

#22 “I know the media likes to personalize political debates, and I know the government will demonize me.”

#23 “We have got a CIA station just up the road – the consulate here in Hong Kong – and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be.”

#24 “I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions, and that the return of this information to the public marks my end.”

#25 “There’s no saving me.”

#26 “The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won’t be able to help any more. That’s what keeps me up at night.”

#27 “I do not expect to see home again.”

divide by 4 to cut out visa runners and you have the real number.

BTW, who says they don't count non tourist visas?

Currently 2 million Chinese here, tons of Africans, Indians you name it ...

most are here to stay and therefore join the runs. Each run counts as a tourist entry.

It's about softening up the farmers so they would sell and be taken over as we have already seen by a certain group and person. It's a big deal between T and M (GMO)

Well well, after corn (GMO) and other vegetables and fruits, rice seem to be next on the agenda. In other words it can't be exported to most of the countries. Boiled salted Corn you can't even find on the road sold by street vendors any longer. Locals resist to buy it. So what do they do with that? Processed into other food?

A quick search about GMO in TH is rather worrisome.

I would have honestly applauded her if she would have said:

Government, Police, Army and PM's must respect press freedom and freedom of speech responsibly

she hints on censorship for the internet. Recent happenings, maybe false flag, also point into that direction.

When you read between the lines you can see the real purpose of her attempted scolding on freedom issues.

This could be a chance for her to show if she really is honest by answering questions truthfully.

Is it possible that the bomb warnings are a false flag to restrict peoples freedom even more? What kind of investigation have taken place? So many question. If unanswered she can't attack the people as a whole and restrict freedom even more.