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4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:
Nice videos with the op article!
And who ever said Thailand isn't an eminently civilized place!
That's nothing. Try the UK on a Friday night.
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9 hours ago, greenchair said:
You don't know if I have gay friends or not, my own nephew is gay ,so since it's non chattable issue I shan't bother. I have never said gay people should not raise children that are their own. I have expressed my opinion that I am against gay couples adopting other people's children (except if it is an express wish of the parents ).
I am against marriage, but support civil union with equal rights. This LGBTIQQ stuff is rediculous so I continue use the universally understood word of gay for same sex couples. Which I believe the gay community will eventually go back to. It's a time waster and irrelevant to the cause. I do believe and statistics show a majority of gays were molested as children or were raised in drug addicted or abusive families. It's not a criticism, it's a sad fact.
I don't believe religion, or homosexuality should be taught in schools, both are confusing and not necessary for my family.
I strongly am against the promotion of drugs, cigarettes, homosexuality and radical brainwashing of religion to children.
None of these things are critical of the gay community, nor homophobic, nor racist. They are serious issues and if the gay c continue to bury their head in the sand and refuse to accept or even discuss the issues in a rational way, then expect the fight for equal rights to be long.
"statistics show a majority of gays were molested as children or were raised in drug addicted or abusive families. It's not a criticism, it's a sad fact. " What utter nonsense. Show your sources for this "fact".
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39 minutes ago, Monomial said:While I find this an interesting argument, it should be made clear that absolutely nobody has ever said a homosexual couple can not raise a child. That is a specious argument that you are throwing in to try and reframe the discussion. The issue under discussion is whether or not adoption and surrogacy should be extended to homosexual couples. In the event a homosexual couple can acquire a child through natural means, absolutely nobody is saying they do not have the same rights as everyone else to raise the child.
This is strictly about whether or not extraordinary means via social institutions should be extended to homosexual couples, and whether or not this a right everyone deserves. Non married people are already denied this right, so there is no fundamental reason why homosexuals couples are being persecuted by this rule. Furthermore, in the case of adoption, the couples background is extensively investigated, and adoption is denied in the case of an unfit home. For surrogacy, heterosexual married couples where the woman is infertile are denied surrogacy options in the case where no female blood relatives are available.
There are many, many cases where these social institutions are denied to any number of people and it has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preference, so it seems to me this does represent a specific case of discrimination, but rather a more nuanced set of rules dictated by social norms.
I can appreciate that everyone wants this option, but so far, nobody has made a valid argument why homosexual couples should be entitled to adopt children when entire groups of others are denied this chance. The problem is this has absolutely nothing to do with discrimination, and everything to do with considering the needs of the child. And in this case, society currently takes the most conservative view of what makes the optimal home for a child. It is not personal and in my opinion not discriminatory.
"it should be made clear that absolutely nobody has ever said a homosexual couple can not raise a child". I think you're wrong
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31 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:
that is calling him a liar
abuse
I called it like I saw it.
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2 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:
Well, to be fair, Stephen, it is a forum in which comment and opinion are invited. To take the heat out would be a good idea, so... if this thread were about footballers, someone would not have to have footballer friends in order to make a valid comment or have a valid opinion. Room for all surely?. It's also not necessary to be intimately familiar with the activities of footballers in order to have a lack of empathy, or even hostility towards footballers.
And I strongly suspect that most support or tolerance for footballers is largely based on not having a close proximity to the game of football or satisfying themselves that the close proximity of the footballing lifestyle is not something they should worry about.. I can't demonstrate this, but I was in Australia during the i960's and 70's, and again during he 1980's. The active hostility demonstrated towards footballers in personal conversations was pretty consistent and apperently unrelated to legislation passed in the interregnum. This and similar situations in the UK, leads me to believe that tolerance of and support for footballers has more to do with a perception of what enlightenment means today, than it does any form of genuine tolerance and belief in personal choices.
Don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but, setting aside what we might want to believe for a moment, people are generally not to be trusted to express opinions if there is any law or social convention that may bring them into scorn or ridicule. Most people care about social inclusion. I personally don't give a damn, but most people do, and honesty in the face of the possibility of social exclusion for having non-politically-correct views, is a very rare occurrence.
Things are not always as clear-cut as our own preferences might suggest. For this reason, I predict that the whole 'live and let live' culture we find ourselves in a a result of intensive lobbying by a community with vested interests, will pass as the cycle of social trends comes full circle. As history suggests it surely will.
"Well, to be fair, Stephen, it is a forum in which comment and opinion are invited": So I commented. And expressed my opinion that he doesn't have any gay friends, as he claimed.
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You can't bring about reform if you're the very obstacle to that reform. It's a non-starter.
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“If we have elections today, but no one respects the law, then having democracy would be in vain.” Absolutely spot on! Now go tell that to Man-Child and Dumbo. It would probably go over their heads though, especially Dumbo's. Good 'ole Dumbo.
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1 minute ago, Unsane said:
Let's elaborate. A red light is not a suggestion, it's an order.
Having once been hit by a taxi running a red light in BKK, I agree with your sentiment (100 percent) but I like the first one better. I think it might make the motorist in question stop and think a little. Although I don't know if will sound as good in Thai as it does in English. Member rkidlad could probably land a job in advertising or PR. That was inspired.
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10 hours ago, rkidlad said:
If true, a nice lengthy prison sentence. Send a message loud and clear - a red light is not a suggestion!
"a red light is not a suggestion!" I must admit, I really like that. It should be sign-posted in Thai at all traffic lights. It's a great slogan.
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10 minutes ago, greenchair said:Well it's a story posted on a chat site explicitely for people to express their views. So, it is my business and I have contributed my views which may not be the same as yours. Unfortunately or fortunately nobody knows your views, because you chose to criticise rather than contribute. I have never made criticisms of gay people and of course live and let live. However, this chat is about marriage verse civil union, so that's what I talk about. We all meet many gays that have different opinions.
The ones I have met say they would not want their son to be gay and given their choices if they could choose, would not choose it. That's my friends though
You don't have any gay friends. And yes, you do criticize the gay community by telling them they should not be allowed to raise children. In fact that is far worse than criticism. That is telling others what they should and shouldn't do based on your own narrow-minded views. How would you like it if people said narrow-minded individuals should not be allowed to raise children? I don't think you'd be too pleased.
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https://www.facebook.com/Prakammanu/
The page has 202k followers. Let's up the media attention get's it more.
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Man-Child and Dumbo will be livid.
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10 minutes ago, Darcula said:Sounds like this is a job for that fabled superhero - the Watchman™. He's probably changing into his period costume in a phonebooth right now.
It wont take him much time to get into the costume, but deciding which watch to wear out of 50... well, that could take some time.
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16 hours ago, InMyShadow said:Your missing the point
The Thais are not joining in because their lives are not impacted in any way what so ever by the junta.
To suggest that 60 million thais are cowering to scared to speak about politics is totall rubbish and scare mongering by the big no what's best for thailand buanas here on TV
Now, you go on face book and that's another matter but who goes there to stir up political instability? 0000000.1% of the population.
Life is a cruise here in Thailand. Ask one of the 20 million tourists who is the thai PM and you get a shrug of the shoulders.. Wouldn't have a clue,! Don't care!!!Well, to begin with, he's taken away their right of freedom of expression, which is now a criminal offense, and there have been more people jailed speech crime and for breaching the absurd S12 than under any other "government". We need not even mention Attitude Adjustment, state-controlled abduction speaks for itself. It has squandered their money on military hardware that it intends to use against them should they protest against the perpetuation of junta-rule. Speaking of which, it has squandered there money on seeing to it that junta-rule is indeed perpetuated. It has seen to it that the rifts within their society are more entrenched than they have ever been at any time previously. It has seen to it that the backward patronage system is now enshrined for another 20 years. It has (further) shattered public confidence in state institutions (I didn't think this possible but the junta have managed it). It has committed some of the worst acts of urban vandalism to date. It has failed miserably at achieving any kind of reform whatsoever. (In fact, in order to fail, one has to actually try, so maybe that haven't failed here.) It has made Thailand a laughing stock in the eyes of the international community. It has made the prospect of widespread civil unrest an increasingly likely scenario. The list goes on and on and on and on. So, to suggest that the lives of Thais have not been impacted in any way by the junta is, as you yourself put it so eloquently, "total rubbish". What you really mean is that your life hasn't been impacted (yet) by the junta. And just for the record, how many tourists that go anywhere on holiday are aware of who the PM/President of that country is? Very, very few. Furthermore, with regards to your comment on life in Thailand being a "cruise", I could walk into any bookies anywhere in the world, place a bet with every last penny that I have that the vast majority of the population of Thailand would not only say you are wrong (very wrong, insulting wrong), but that your comment would also be met with hoots of derisive mirth from this vast majority, and I could do this absolute confidence that I could not conceivably lose that bet.
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4 hours ago, welovethailand said:I have read all the posts up to here now, and one very important point has been missed. A "marriage" has always been viewed as a "Holy Matrimony, in the eyes of God". Instead of trying to change the Words of God Almighty, and force others to accept it , why don't you just start your own "legal Document' and say "in the eyes of the Devil who runs this world"? Whats wrong with that? Simple & easy. You got your and we got ours.
So how does this apply if you don't worship deities?
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7 hours ago, SABloke said:
And I love this photo caption from the Bangkok Post:
At the recent Australia-Asean summit in Sydney in March, Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha showed off two rings and a watch, but had no significant contribution to the meeting.
Even the local press doesn't pretend to like him anymore.
It was a great photo. It showed just how completely out of his depth he is in the international arena. He looked scared and lonely and wishing his two right-hand men, good 'ole Dumbo and his pet frog, were there to hold his hand. He didn't even have a banana peel within arms reach. Sad, sad little man. A far cry from the smug, arrogant, thuggish buffoon that basks in his own perceived glory before the local media in Thailand.
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Anywhere you go in the world conservative = backward. Look at the US, for example. It seems to qualify as a conservative there you have to be a Christian, gun-toting, angry pervert.
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2 minutes ago, robblok said:
We will see so far you have no proof, i think article 44 will be gone together with the PM's power, the only power he then has are his friends in the appointed senate. (just assuming he will be an outsider PM). I wonder how that is going to work (or not work). The political party makes the policy and Prayut has to help with that.. or does he think he can still decide what will happen ?
"or does he think he can still decide what will happen ?"... that's what I'm assuming. I hope I'm wrong though.
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3 minutes ago, robblok said:
How do you know so sure.. because i did not read anything about this ?
I wasn't basing it on any recent specific report or commentary, just my observations of the junta since it was installed. No one can say for sure what the outcome of all this will be after February but if I were to walk into a bookmaker's, I know how I'd place my bet, and I don't think the bookie would give me anything outside of than 8:1 odds.
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8 hours ago, baboon said:
I must say that my first reaction was 'I don't see how it could get worse'. More of the same, certainly, but not worse. What is the basis behind your reasoning, Stephen?
Like Muhammd Morsi in Egypt, once he prevailed in the dubious elections in Egypt, he thought that meant he could do what he wanted and ignore everyone that didn't vote for him (or was prevented from doing so). Because he had no clue of what it meant to win a democratic election (I use the term loosely) or what democracy he is, he simply assumed that democracy means winner takes all. Prayuth, in his infinite arrogance and stupidity, like those who installed him, will assume that the international community will interpret him becoming PM again as the result of the will of the Thai people because of the "elections". Like Sisi, who ousted Morsi, Prayuth will use the pretext of national security to throw journalists in jail if he doesn't like what they report, after all, he was elected by the people. Erdogan does the same. I don't see S44 being put back in the box, I think it will just be wielded under a different name. I think the only thing that could throw Prayuth off his trajectory to becoming supreme leader is the Thai people themselves.
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5 hours ago, robblok said:
I would think that article 44 will go once he is a prime minister, nothing comes close in power to that.. so I still think there is less power.
It will go but it will be replaced by the same thing with a different name.
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9 hours ago, robblok said:
I disagree, but then I often do. If he gets to become an outsider PM he will have a lot LESS power then now. He can't do as he pleases anymore he will be far less dangerous then now. He will be stressed out a lot as he can't rule with absolute power anymore.
As long as he has the backing of those that installed him he can do anything he wants with a revamped S44 at his disposal. The only thing that can really stop him - not even sanctions can do that - is the people of the country.
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I don't think we've seen anything yet. If Prayuth does actually manage to declare himself God with Dumbo as Jesus in February, things will get much, much worse than they are now.
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23 minutes ago, Henrik Andersen said:I care about my family and friends and sorry you feel as a criminal but for me it seems as you only care about yourself so meny of your guy's in here only complaining and say other countries are better so my question is why are you here
P. S. I have sent meny times from post office I never show any I'd
Just because some of us like junta better than red shirt we meaby care too
And yes happiness is the key to good life but if you not happy try find out why and stop complaining all the time but meaby you struggle in your life but that's not mean we all need to struggle and sit complaining all the time
Good luck to you
I think you ought to go and tell the people rotting in jail for speech crime how much you love the junta. You may also want to ask why Prayuth deems it fair to incarcerate people fighting for their land rights and yet no one is allowed to question the obscene wealth he has accumulated over his time on a soldier's salary. The problem is that you can't ask the second question because you would be thrown in jail for speech crime. As long as your tiny little bubble of a life is ok you couldn't care less about the actual citizens of Thailand whose country you are so happy in and who you have the audacity to accuse of complaining and being "lazy". They are not complaining, they are trying to voice very legitimate grievances to a totally illegitimate "government". Your arrogance is quite repulsive.
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Grab Must Stand Down To End Taxi Wars: Military
in Thailand News
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Yeah, but in terms of threats to the state security apparatus they rank second after twerking while reading Orwell.