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Hurrah! Finally Thailand will soon be officially colonised by the Chinese. Though in actual fact, the Chinese already colonised Thailand decades ago and that is why the whole country is run by the Thai-Chinese while the Thais are "indirectly groomed thru poverty and lack of education and opportunities" to be the supporting menial classes to serve their colonisers and while the Chinese colonisation brought with it drugs,organised mafia, prostitution and corruption(tea money) into the Thai Culture, Thailand will soon be officially colonised by the Chinese.

All businesses, land etc will be under the control of the Chinese while there will be greater emphasis on the development of Chinese Cuture here , already we have top echelons of the country frequently visiting China and promoting Chinese Musical Instruments instead of Traditional Thai Musical Instruments.Even fair yellow skin is being promoted as the criteria for being rewarded a status in society here.

And we have thousand of overstays here of Chinese origin who blend in without the authorities checking on them.

To all you Thais on non-Chinese origin here, your days are numbered. You and all your offsprings and future generations will be condemmened to serve your new masters for generations unless you do something about it now to seize back your land and businesses.

Good post with some valid points, but short on an understanding of history.

First off, opium was spread to China and throughout SE Asia by the original drug cartel, the British East India Company. Same goes for distilled alcohol. Second, most of the Thai-Chinese elite in Thailand were born and/or educated in Britain and America. One recent PM was born in Newcastle, England. Another bought Manchester City FC. More Anglo than Chinese really.

The Thai people originate from southern China, and China is just a few hundred miles from Thailand. As superpowers go, China is hardly the worst in the world. After all, it wasn't the Chinese who bombed Laos and Cambodia into the stone age just a few decades ago.

I seriously doubt if Thai culture was free of organised crime, prostitution and corruption before the Chinese arrived, so you can't blame them for that.

I'm puzzled about what a Thai traditional musical instrument might be. All of the instruments I've seen used in Thai local music are generic SE Asian types, usually of Chinese origin. And of course, Thai musical culture has been completely overwhelmed by the western drums, guitar, bass, keyboards style of music, not to mention karaoke.

It's true that the Thai peasantry work for their Thai-Chine masters. You only have to visit a building site or factory to see that. But you can't knock the Chinese just because they value education and are good businessmen.

Yes, the Chinese influence in Thailand will grow, but that's not necessarily the worst thing in the world.

Here again we see the double standards of these farang who think it's perfectly fine for the british east india company to spread opium but complains of tourist visits from china but has no problem if the tourists come from his farang country. Every single day you'll see posts of his nature where they somehow ignore all the bad actions of his people, country and then condemns the other party for behaving in a much less worse way.

Also yup the generic instruments used in SEA originally came from china so it's really stupid to say chinese instruments are replacing them. In fact the thai ppl themselves came from china. Thai language is quite similar to chinese language just see their numbers and how they are pronounced.

Given the political climate in the PRC and given the educational system in the PRC, it is hard to imagine finding many high calibre people coming out of that particular political nation. I suggest trying to engage in a conversation from anyone from the PRC regarding the occupied nation of Tibet to discover that even those you thought might be capable of reason and enlightenment are incapable of showing anything close to high calibre clarity of mind. In the meantime, Beijing sends out its citizens like locusts to extract as many natural resources as possible without any regard to the enviroment. This is happening throughout the globe, including regionally in neighboring Burma and Laos. But as for Thailand, as others noted, it has long been the most southern Montorn of the Chinese, moderated only slightly by intermarriage with the second class ethnic Tai citizenry. If you didn't like the USA dominated era, then watch out because you, or your children, are going to like the PRC dominated era a whole lot less.

Chinese citizens are equally as intelligent as the japanese and the koreans. Funny how you always try to place a sickening east asian hierachy.

I just knew it and i wanted to post it before reading through the posts here that someone would make some degradatory/racist remarks simply cos of the tourists race/nationality. Funny how we can say pattaya is being colonized by russians for example but the ppl are fine or rather the farangs are fine with it cos russians are in some ways farangs themselves.

To that muppet poster talking about how chinese fair skin is being promoted pls for the love of god there are many oriental thais that are not chinese but look chinese. This is because the original thai people came from china and their ancestors still live in china today and they look chinese but are not ethnic chinese but listed as minority in china. They are the dai people.

You can ask many chinese looking thais and they will tell you nope they aren't chinese at all yet i can bet muppets like him somehow won't be able to figure that out cos to him only japanese/koreans/chinese are east asians but in reality there are many much more ethnic groups with the east asian look.

Hurrah! Finally Thailand will soon be officially colonised by the Chinese. Though in actual fact, the Chinese already colonised Thailand decades ago and that is why the whole country is run by the Thai-Chinese while the Thais are "indirectly groomed thru poverty and lack of education and opportunities" to be the supporting menial classes to serve their colonisers and while the Chinese colonisation brought with it drugs,organised mafia, prostitution and corruption(tea money) into the Thai Culture, Thailand will soon be officially colonised by the Chinese.

All businesses, land etc will be under the control of the Chinese while there will be greater emphasis on the development of Chinese Cuture here , already we have top echelons of the country frequently visiting China and promoting Chinese Musical Instruments instead of Traditional Thai Musical Instruments.Even fair yellow skin is being promoted as the criteria for being rewarded a status in society here.

And we have thousand of overstays here of Chinese origin who blend in without the authorities checking on them.

To all you Thais on non-Chinese origin here, your days are numbered. You and all your offsprings and future generations will be condemmened to serve your new masters for generations unless you do something about it now to seize back your land and businesses.

Dude get your facts straight. The thai chinese like chinese all over the world manage to work hard and build businesses and gain economic and political power. This is very very different from western colonization which is basically using military might to colonize the country and the westerners have done it to many countries and probably to thailand although not in the conventional sense. In fact if you want to call chinese tourists visiting thailand as colonization then we can jolly well say thailand has long been colonized by farangs but for some odd reason you don't see it this way.

I noticed that the hotels around this region and near the chao priya river are the really hi so ones like marriott, lebua, shangri-la.

Why is this so? Also as you guys know how traffic is like in bkk isn't taking a taxi to this region going to be like a real real hassle?

Prostitution is everywhere in Yangon, its just not so in your face as Pattaya, Patpong or Ratchada. But believe me it's there. Apart from JJ's it's pretty much invisible. There's the emperor on Shwedagon Pagoda Rd, and some hotel somewhere in Ahlone for the Chinese but they're quite discreet. All the nightclubs are frequented by sex workers as are all the posh hotels, however Myanmar people will very rarely use these ladies as they are way too expensive. 30000 to 50000 for a white guy and anything up to 150000 for Japanese /Korean/Chinese guys.

The locals use call outs for about 20000 or San Francisco night club in Tamwe. If you drive through San Chaung late at night you'll see rows of taxis parked up with girls in the back.

I really doubt it will get like Thailand any time soon though.

(This is all according to my mate ;-))

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

Why is it more expensive for the foreign asians?

Sooner or later its going to happen. if not in Capital or central Burma then along the Thai borders probably.

I visited Burma Recently. in The Capital Rangoon, Yangoon(I read earlier in the Lonely Planet book that it probably is the safest city or capital in South East Asia.

It is as a Muslim guy in down town told me when we shared a pot of tea: Yangoon its safety but not freedom.

that just walking on the street at night. so safe by the way. Met many interesting people. a guy(Pimp) as me if I wanted girls. I said no.

He told me they are 16 years old like it would have better effect. it had the opposite on me. anyway the guy said that he didn't have any customers or work today. we started to chat a bit. I was a bit bored. and wanted to see the lake. he told me that he could show me. so the pimp became my guide haha. we went to the lake and he explain a lot from a criminal but honest mind. chewing that tobacco(I wasn't used to it I do not even smoke cigarettes)

Very very friendly and interesting people and such a diversity: The Union of Myanmar. I also traveled around with a Burmese friend living abroad.

Sex Tourism: Its coming. But The Burmese can not be compared to Thai or others. or lets say Burmese society or government whatever. not yet.

Even Massage is not allowed yet(By the Military-Junta) I think. I had been backpacking a lot and needed a massage(with my clothes on) that kind of massage.

But I couldn't find any. hmm what more. Major disco-clubs in Yangoon a guy told me: When you go inside the Disco you will see bar ladies.

I never went, I traveled around the Country seeing, Tempels and Beaches. and what Beaches(The Beach Movie style) Wide beaches, long. full of palm trees and rain-forest. coconuts. no roads yet, they are coming slowly. I drove my motorbike along the beaches for hours. no end just my gasoline ended but thats an other story

Seriously yangoon can beat singapore in safety?

Been a very long time since i visited this place with my family.

I am very sure you guys have heard of this guy.

So you think it's OK for my daughter to pay less than half the tuition fees of her foreign friend because she is British and he isn't; but you consider having to pay a few baht more to use a toilet or enter an amusement park in Thailand to be racist.

How odd.

Not really relevant to this topic; but:-

Thailand is not the only country where foreigners cannot own land. Non Americans buying land in the USA is not as simple and straightforward as it is for Americans.

I have not, fortunately, myself been involved in an RTA in Thailand, but a friend of mine has. It was the Thai driver who was held to be at fault and prosecuted by the police, not my English friend. What happened in your case?

It is possible for a Brit married to a Thai to gain Thai nationality. Not as easy as the other way round, I'll grant you; but possible.

There's no such thing as racism in Thailand - you're either Thai or you're an Alien

Race doesn't come into it

Yes, and in the UK you are either British or an alien.

In France you are either French or an alien.

Etc., etc., ad nauseum.

From the OED

Alien, noun:

1 a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where he or she is living

Again the farangs display their double standards and don't even feel a sense of irony. In most countries in the world you're either a citizen or an alien especially those countries with a single ethnicity. It's like this regardless if the country is majority european, asian or african yet somehow some ppl ignore it when a farang country like france does it but get offended when say thailand does it.

You must like this song.

Oh these farang and how quick they are to judge me and to test me on thai therevada buddhism but strangely even though i stated i come a catholic family and most likely just the same as they are not a single one of them asked me if i even knew anything of catholicism.

youre the one made statements about buddhism and asked farang if they have just not traded belief in one supreme being for another. you deserve to be challenged on it. and i doubt anyone cares what you know about catholicism

ok nobody cares on what i know about catholicism but why is everyone asking what i know about theravadan buddism then? I mean what does it matter? You see the double standards here? I could have been writing all BS about christianity and catholicism but that's fine but everyone shines the spotlight and attempts to question my knowlegde on theravada buddhism in which i can safely say they don't know much about either.

Meanwhile in some western country a thai woman was having the same issue as her lukrang son wasn't considered even a part of the country even though he was born in the country.

His thai mother struggled to speak the indon european language of dutch/german/english.

Oddly enough the same people offended by the 1st post in this thread felt differently in this thread even though the situation was the same just that the nationalities was changed.

Oh these farang and how quick they are to judge me and to test me on thai therevada buddhism but strangely even though i stated i come a catholic family and most likely just the same as they are not a single one of them asked me if i even knew anything of catholicism.

I perform transcendental meditation five times a day and rest on my head between meditations. I also sleep standing up with my eyes open. But, I don't claim to understand Buddhism.

What do u know of jesus christ and saying of the rosary?

your ignorance of therevadan buddhism is embarrassing

You don't even show how. I even stated in the thread i am not buddhist btw why would your statement even be of any relevance?

Your statement by itself is actually embarrassing. You telling me a non therevandan buddhist in a forum where the majority are foreigners so aren't therevadan buddhists themselves that some foreigner is unaware of the practices of a foreign religion.

You see how your statement would have more significance if this was a forum that many native thais were a part of and most importantly i am also a thai and was born into the religion and praticed the religion and then made some sort of blunder you see how your statement would then have the effect you wished it had. Instead it's just BS. Most of us in here are foreigners and not even buddhists let alone therevadan buddhists of course we would be ignorant of it just like how a native thai person would be ignorant of a catholic mass.

because you are making completely inaccurate statements about buddhism. learn something about the subject before you make pronouncements

Pray tell in what way?

I just merely stated thais attend temples and do rituals like how catholics/christians do in church that's it.

your ignorance of therevadan buddhism is embarrassing

You don't even show how. I even stated in the thread i am not buddhist btw why would your statement even be of any relevance?

Your statement by itself is actually embarrassing. You telling me a non therevandan buddhist in a forum where the majority are foreigners so aren't therevadan buddhists themselves that some foreigner is unaware of the practices of a foreign religion.

You see how your statement would have more significance if this was a forum that many native thais were a part of and most importantly i am also a thai and was born into the religion and praticed the religion and then made some sort of blunder you see how your statement would then have the effect you wished it had. Instead it's just BS. Most of us in here are foreigners and not even buddhists let alone therevadan buddhists of course we would be ignorant of it just like how a native thai person would be ignorant of a catholic mass.

But seriously one more thing you guys need to take note of. I am sure for those of you married or in some relationship with some thai girl you aren't actually religious at all. Cos your farang catholic/christian religion doesn't like that you're marrying or dating someone totally from a different faith. You don't believe in any deity so does it make you curious why some ppl do believe in them?

I know of a male from my country he's a catholic married to a thai girl that has a child from some other thai guy and he managed to convert her to his catholic religion and she's actually really into the catholic faith. She now has a child with him and she feverntly says the rosary, she's part of the choir group.

The Thai laity only have 5 rules they're supposed to try and live by. They don't have a big list of 'thou shalt nots'. You don't appear to know very much about Buddhism at all.

Why should i know much about buddhism when i'm not even buddhism or believe in any of the thai animalistic beliefs?

The fact of the matter is i am curious as to why they even bother to go inside a temple when many ppl not only me but in the west won't even step into a church.

As you're asking questions about it I thought you'd want to do a little of your own research or are you expecting the rest of us to do that for you?

It's a discussion whereby everyone gives their input and that's the case for every single thread started here and it's not like i am begging you for any information as if you could actually enlighten me.

OP - where did you learn the term "oriental asian"? lol Never heard anyone pair the words together before.

Asia is a large continent, actually part of the eurasian landmass and differentiated from Europe politically rather than geologically.

Oriental means eastern, so oriental Asians would be Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, Thai, etc.

Russians, Turks, Iranians, Indians, etc. (Asian, but not oriental) don't seem to mix up L/R.

I could have used 'eastern' Asians but I chose the synonym.

I'm really not a PC guy. The term 'PC' (Russian version) was first used under Stalinist regime.

Actually orient can even apply to ppl in iran. Take oriental rugs for example. Those are from turkey or the middle east and not from the far east but they are called oriental.

It seems like many ppl have forgotten that turkey is the gateway to europe and it's the country that sits between europe and asia and that's how the turkish national board markets the country. It's also there for historical reason. The capital of turkey used to be greek until the ottomans conquered it.

If you care to read on textbooks talking about geography they call countries like turkey the near east, the middle east is the middle east and countries like japan the far east.

It's just cos of those damn americans that base race on every every simplistic terms like outer appearance that's why to them only the far east are considered asia while somehow middle, south and western asia are what considered white. It's of course stupid and did u know the turkish empire used to take the children of their caucasian slaves and make them into an elite force called the janssieries and the real ottoman turks looked semetic and oriental rather than caucasian or germanic.

There are many Thais who try to be good Thai Buddhists.

However, Thai Buddhism is all a bit of a joke morally and if you were to ask them why, most couldn't come up with a better answer than the fact that they were born into it.

Considering that Buddhism isn't in the strictest sense a religion anyway, I would say that Thais aren't that religious.

Wait firstly i suppose you are using an abrahamic religion to judge how religious thais are. That's not how you're supposed to do it. To judge on how religious a person is you're supposed to see how they treat their religion and how much time they spend on it. Almost every single thai buddhist will definitely make time to attend a temple for example while in the west there are many farang that grew up in catholic family won't even give a damn about attending church on sundays at all. You see the difference.

The Thai laity only have 5 rules they're supposed to try and live by. They don't have a big list of 'thou shalt nots'. You don't appear to know very much about Buddhism at all.

Why should i know much about buddhism when i'm not even buddhism or believe in any of the thai animalistic beliefs?

The fact of the matter is i am curious as to why they even bother to go inside a temple when many ppl not only me but in the west won't even step into a church.

This thread is talking about 2 topics.

1:) We do know that there are still numerous countries out there with a national religion where the majority subscribe to one religion.

Many catholic countries out there. If you go to brazil, france, philippines the majority would be catholic for example. Same with the middle east.

The difference between thailand and those countries especially the middle eastern ones isn't the fact that they believe in a different religion but how those countries have so many restrictions and thailand doesn't have them yet thais are pretty religious almost on par with those muslims/catholics.

I know many thai people from different segments of society and their religion isn't strict and doesn't enforce rules unlike the muslims or the catholics but my thai friends/associates will definitely visit some temple say some prayers. Thailand has sex and drug usage etc but they still religiously pray in the temples. Not trying to imply anything but you can see the difference in thailand being religious and some dumb middle eastern country with sharia law being religious. The fact that they don't really enforce so many rules unlike muslim countries and yet the temples aren't abandoned.

2:) This is about me. Born in a catholic family. Entire family religious. Some members aren't catholic but joined a charismatic christian church. On their whatsapp or facebook profiles there will be quotations about jesus christ and everything and so forth.

I'm the exception. Yes used to attend church when i was a child but didn't affect me in anyway. It was just a routine and in fact i believe for many people. You sit inside the catholic church and listen to the priest yabbering on and on which can be summarized in 4 words "love God, do good." After a while it was boring but i did it cos that was how i was brought up. During my teenage years encountered some christians from some charismatic church. They had the "fire for God" so they were enthuistic and so on and the church grew in size and stole many members from the traditional churches. Attended the services and yes they were more personable but i never felt really attached to it. I joined this charismatic church cos you had a group of people to hang out with called a cell group and there were nice looking females that dressed up in there. In my 20s i went overseas to the USA to study and so i broke off with them. Didn't care. Fact of the matter is i never felt anything at all when saying prayers or in church. It was just something a ritual or rather a routine that i did. I guess i "never felt the annointing of god" so to speak. Graduated from the US university went back to my home country and that was that. Then went to work and met various ppl from other countries around the region.

The most ironic thing is that seeing how religious my thai friends were actually made me curious about my religion again. So i started attending church again catholic and christian charismatic. You sit down in the pew and hear the priest blabbering on and on but it's only 1 hour in the catholic church while it drags on in the charismatic one. I also started visiting the temples with them and burned the joss sticks with them which is a chinese practice. Just did it for fun didn't feel anything special while all around me the thais were all worshipping praying to some deity to give them good fortune, luck etc which isn't so different from those suckers at church. In short i was just going through the motions i didn't feel anything or strongly compelled to pray to any deity.

I am not saying i am totally insensitive towards religious rituals because i still identify with a christian/catholic background even though i don't really attend church and it's meaningless to me but it still took a few temple visits before i just thought what the hell and took some joss and burnt it just to follow the crowd. To my family members that would be well sacriligious in a sense.

I don't subscribe to a supernatural entity whether it's nailed unto a cross or a virgin mother or some invisible supreme being or something with an elephant or a monkey's head with a human's body with 10 arms so in some way i'm just really curious why there are so many people out there that believe in this?

Comeon guys also admit to me how many of you farangs stopped believing in the guy nailed unto the cross with his virgin mother and started believing in the guy with the 10 arms and the elephant's head called phra pikanet or just buddha himself or were you like me and just surprised how come there are ppl that believe in these sorts of things.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are distantly related to the Hokkien people. As it is believed that Thai people originally migrated south from China during the Gengis Khan period.

The famous New Zealand/Australian race horse Phar Lap is often mistakenly referred to having a Thai name, however the name was actually came from a Chinese gentleman, as it meant lightning in his local dialect of Chinese. I can't remember which tribe he was from, but apparently their language has many similarities to modern Thai (Although of course has evolved in a different direction over the past ~800 years since the Thais migrated)

From wiki the name comes from zhuang language and they aren't chinese in the sense that they are han but a minority but of course they are chinese by nationality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Zhuang

Zhuang is one of the languages from the tai family group and yes the original thai people came from china and they all escaped to south east asia during the mongol invasion 800 or more years ago. The original thai people should look like chinese people while those with the darker skin like the malay and issan looking people got conquered later and took up thai language and culture.

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