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4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

It will be very easy to identify some Uber drivers and then their cars get burnt or worse - meaning that it will be very difficult to recruit drivers.

Yes, you're right. But it's also easy to mistake some innocent thai dropping of foreign friends somewhere for being an uber driver. Assault someone innocent and their vehicle and you might get severe punishment under law....

If there only was law and order in Thailand that is.....

2 hours ago, Big Daddy said:

In Chiang Mai, Uber means door-to-door service without negotiation or trying to change the price because the driver gets lost or some other excuse.
One may question how anyone can "study" the effects of Uber by suspending the service? Maybe a better idea would be to "study" the red buses, taxis and their drivers instead? Maybe a simple poll of Thais, expats and tourists would be more revealing...


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You really think they care about some study? The people running things here have zero interest in anything but grabbing as much money as possible, this is more a business deal negotiation than anything else, uber has stepped on their turf, now the government are sizing uber up and trying to figure out how to deal with them in the way that gives the most money possible.

They have to weigh in what leverage they can put up against uber. They have to consider the power of the taxi "lobby". What is best for the people, or tourists, is the least of their problems.

I think they might realize that it's going to be hard to get rid of uber. 

The biggest problem is that the taxi "lobby" will become more and more desperate and will start assaulting drivers more and more. Completely innocent thais will get assaulted when the taxi "lobby" mistakes them for being uber drivers because they give a ride to their foreign friends. Real uber drivers will get assaulted. Things will get heated. The government will do nothing but collect money from taxi "lobby" in form of donations and from uber in form of increased fines.

Passengers will be harassed for taking uber to certain spots where the taxi "lobby" illegally park. Uber drivers will be reluctant to go to these spots and will beg customers to walk a little bit. 

All in all it's a sad situation.

1 hour ago, gdgbb said:

Perhaps the court would expect to see evidence that he was a Uber driver. 

 

Of course, it may not be possible for him to prove that he isn't an Uber driver if he really is an illegal Uber driver (which was really my point)!

So your point is that if he is guilty he cannot prove that he is innocent. Ok, good point. What if he is innocent?

*Edit* i understand what you are saying now,, you are saying that he is innocent until proven guilty right? And the fact the he dropped people of at the airport does not prove his guilt so he should be allowed to go free unless there is more evidence to prove that he is an uber driver?

This is really bad,,, my GF got her license through a place like this in CM .. they told her verbally that they "guarantee" that she will pass the test.. They charge 3000 for thai's and 5000 for foreigners...

Ofcourse, the official test does not prove much more that you can park anyway.... 

1 hour ago, Tracyb said:

Happy to hear that UBER will continue to serve customers in Thailand.  We use them every time we land at BKK. ( five times in the last six months) Why?  We always pay the same rate each time we go to our condo in the city, we no longer have to deal with "adjusted" meters, the Uber drivers are courteous and safe drivers, and the cars are clean.  Gone are the days of intoxicated or drug addled drivers demanding extra $$ for luggage while providing poor service in sub standard vehicles while traveling at unsafe speeds on the road passing other vehicles in an unsafe manner while using their cell phones for texts and conversations.  Oh, and Uber drivers never refuse a customer!  The Uber drivers are also Thai citizens working hard trying to make a living.  We don't feel we're taking anything away from cadre of taxi drivers, we're just choosing what we believe is the safer path.

 

Amen, In Chiang Mai we don't even have metered taxis, that's why Uber is totally killing it here and the taxi mafia are now panicking and witchhunting normal Thai people that happen to drop off foreign friends at the airport. 

Send them out of Thailand, they give foreigners a bad name!

On 3/17/2017 at 2:41 PM, gdgbb said:

I know that's what he said, I'm not disputing that he did drop someone off.  So what would be the reason for him in particular at that airport to be reported if that's all he was doing?

The reason is that it's impossible to tell if it's uber or not. If it's a thai driver and a foreign passenger going to the airport it LOOKS like uber. But it could also just be a friend, partner, whatever. That's why it's called a witchhunt,,,, u know what I mean?

On 3/18/2017 at 4:47 AM, gk10002000 said:

Guilty until proven innocent.  The next step is nobody can give anybody a ride, since you are technically taking business away from a taxi driver!

And the step after that is that car sales are illegal, selling a vehicle to a private citizen for the purpose of transport is competing with the taxi companies!

On 3/14/2017 at 7:51 PM, gdgbb said:

So what's his problem?  All he has to do is go to court to dispute the ticket and as long as he is not an Uber driver he'll have a good case.  If he is an Uber driver trying to wriggle put of the fine then Uber will pay his fine as has been previously reported.

How do you prove that you are not an uber driver? 

in court:

"Your honor, Please inspect my smartphone device, it does not have the uber app"
"OBJECTION! The defendant has clearly deleted the app from his device!"

"hmmmmmm...." (at this point the kapao smell starts to be overtaken by a burning smell, must be the judge is trying to think)

"nonsense! if he is not an uber driver, he should prove it!!"

"b-b-b-ut judge, check my smartphone, I have the app called "not an uber driver" installed"

"ok, great, NOT GUILTY!" *SLAMS HAMMER*

On 3/19/2017 at 9:08 AM, balo said:

It's very simple , introduce normal taxis with meter like in Bangkok or Chiang Mai will always be looked upon as a rip-off place for foreigners.

Yes, when I go to bangkok i always use the taximeter and tell them to use meter first,, they occasionally refuse, but the next one usually says yes.. The prices are reasonable.. Only reason uber is so popular here in CM is because the taxi mafia here are idiots and refuse to compete.

So, the red cars are allowed to chase uber drivers? In civilized countries citizens arrests are only allowed for serious crimes like assault, murder, robbery.

On 3/16/2017 at 11:33 AM, CantSpell said:

Actually, I agree they stink and should be upgraded but 20 Baht per person is not unreasonable imo.

They have a different purpose than the taxis I think, I prefer to take a red cab to go Tapae rather than circling around for 30 minutes to find a parking spot.

 

Competition for Uber I think is mainly the airport taxis.

 

Red cab are a good thing in Chiang Mai, they just need to get some upgrade...

I get motion sick / dissy from red cabs.. The mix of not having front vision and sitting sideways and breathing in exhaust fumes does not sit well with me.. However, I do think that the fares are reasonable, when they don't try to scam you....

I'm from Stockholm and I never owned a vehicle there.. Bus + Train + Subway system was working very well except that trains always has issues a couple of weeks in the winter since they privatized it... very similar to singapore... and they have apps for trip planning etc, just enter destination and the app will give you multiple options and tell you where you have to go and what bus to take what time and where to stop and change etc. I hope chiang mai can get that some day... but I doubt it.. Thai people rather all drive their own vehicles and sit in traffic jams like morons.

On 3/15/2017 at 10:23 PM, balo said:

Theres probably more to the story , my guess would be he is an UBER driver but trying to make everyone believe he is not. After all private ridesharing is not ilegal . 

Why do you guess that? 

The only way for authorities to know is to check his phone and open the uber app. OR check the phones of the passengers and open the uber app. 

IF he was uber driver, uber would pay the fine for him. So I guess he is not an uber driver. But really we have no way of knowing. But I lean towards that he is not.

11 minutes ago, dageurreotype said:

A little less dysfunctional? (Yes I'm aware of your implication). This is what I find galling about the 'Yes but other countries' crowd. IF someone were to forge my signature in order to steal my property, and if I reported a crime at a local Western police station, and if they happened to be of a different skin hue, the courts would meet out consequential justice, the police must follow up on any complaint with proper zeal and the forger would be prosecuted for fraud. Not so in backward tribal corrupt little LaLaLand.

Im pretty sure black people are treated worse than white people in the united states justice system.

http://www.crf-usa.org/brown-v-board-50th-anniversary/the-color-of-justice.html

Basically blacks get worse plea deals than whites in equivalent situations. Also police target blacks and arrest them with less basis etc.

Also police and attorneys will "gang up" on blacks and withhold or manipulate evidence.

Just see https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/us/michael-brown-ferguson-police-shooting-video.html

8 minutes ago, ajarngreg said:

 

 I also have a very close friend who's also got a close friend of an even closer friend who's got a noodle soup imperium with currently two shops.

Oh yeah?! You think you're tough?? My dad knows Chuck Norris!!

15 hours ago, balo said:

That video was posted 7 years ago , I think they cleaned up this mess after the military took over.  Of course you can never be sure , I would report it to the military if I ever saw this sold in the open . 

Ok, so now it's underground then I guess.

Thai people dont want change. They say they do but they really don't mean it.

It's convinient to break the laws and rules and get away with a small bribe. 

2 hours ago, AGLV0121 said:

 

This sort of 'dissuasion' has been statistically proven not working in the case of death penalty.

https://www.nap.edu/read/13363/chapter/5

 

Yes it's despicable , but there are other ways to deal with this. I admit jailing him with other prisoners  would teach him a lesson.

https://www.elitereaders.com/man-raped-in-prison/

Yeah, most criminals dont plan to get caught, specially not murderers. But people involved in trafficking are probably more calculated and might be deterred by threats of severe punishment. On the other hand, maybe not. Still worth it though.

3 hours ago, AGLV0121 said:

 

We have to keep our humanity intact, so yes the society pays for them to stay in jail and (sic) 'pay their debt to the society'

 

It keeps prison guards, social workers, judges. lawyers, psychologists and therapists busy, and feeds them. And that;s a bunch of people.

It's humane to torture these offenders as much as possible to make others think twice and potentially save children.

4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

But a start in the right direction, 1 down how many would think twice before trying to abduct a child if they knew it would be an instant death sentence, I cannot believe that politicians around the world stop the death penalty because I hear, "no one has the right to kill someone else" well if it fits the crime, kill them, no doubt there will be ocassional stuff ups, but the numbers game should prevail whipping the scum from this earth, think about it, in wars how many innocent people are killed, and these politicians are worried about making an ocassional mistake, <deleted> ! 

The main problem with death penalty is that it cannot be reversed and there's always innocent people found guilty of crimes.

3 hours ago, WinnieTheKhwai said:

 

No.  You may be confusing regular maintenance and small improvements with a major extension.

 

I really hope work starts soon, and in the current location.  I don't suppose any of you have looked at the plans, but there are new access roads too.

Are the plans available for the public? Where? Thanks in advance

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Sex industry?

Yeah, you know, there's child porn being sold in the open in pattaya and god knows how big the underground scene is.. The police seems to be in on it too 

3 hours ago, AGLV0121 said:

 

Then what do you propose? Just curious to know

I have many ideas, but dying is an easy way out for these people. They need to suffer.

One good way would be to force feed them LSD and have a team of psychiatrists really make them understand and connect with what they have done. If they have anything that resembles a conscience this would be pure agony and they would be kept in a cell and dosed with different psychedelics and be forced to face what they have done every day for the rest of their lives.

If a conscience can't be found in these people, even through psychedelics, then it's time for the physical torture chamber. 

On 4/16/2016 at 8:58 PM, flyDelight said:

What do Pattaya bar whores have to do with missing children?

Some of the pattaya bar girls have been trafficked. It's not hard to fool drunk horny foreigners that they are in it for the money and not being forced / intimidated. There is literally nobody to turn to because the RTP we know is corrupt.

People that victimize children are probably the worst,, death penalty is too mild for them.