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40 minutes ago, smedly said:

you are posting incorrect information, like I said in a post above - in the west (UK) yes vehicles are required to stop at a pedestrian crossing ONLY WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO, pedestrians have no right of way until all the vehicles have stopped to allow them to cross  - that is fact and is common sense, these people walked out onto the road (crossing or not) when the traffic was still moving, it is 100% their fault regardless if they were at a crossing - even In the west (UK) if there was a crossing they did not use it properly - the fact that it is Thailand is even adds a whole pile of extra dangers because Thais don't know how to use them and the laws are not enforced

Ok, It's possible that I'm wrong, but I just took a drivers license here in Thailand and that's what was the correct answer on the test. 

 

Here's some snippets from translated "Land Traffic act" (1979)   <-- Not sure if this is still in effect.

 

Section 22

Green Arrow: the driver shall drive according to the direction of the green arrow, but shall
be careful to give way to crossing pedestrians or other vehicles.  

 

My comment: The above does not apply to this situation as there was no light. But notice the "give way to crossing pedestrians" .. and this is even if the cars have a green light!! 

 

 

Section 32
[The driver shall be careful not to hit pedestrians, and may use the horn if necessary. The
driver shall be especially careful with children, elderly persons and disabled persons.]

 

No comments....

 

 

 

 

Section 46 (400-1000B)
[The driver shall not overtake another vehicle when:
......
b. within a distance of 30m from a pedestrian crossing, junction, circle (rotary) or
railroad crossing

 

My comment: I saw what looked like people attempting to overtake... But it gets vague when you consider tuk tuks and a motorbike all driving like it's pure chaos ..But the point is that there's a reason for this law,, and it has to do with extra carefulness around pedestrian crossings..

 

Section 70 (500B)
[The driver shall reduce speed when approaching a junction, pedestrian crossing, vehicle
stop line, or circle (rotary).]

 

Again, slow down before pedestrian crossing... Again, implies extra care around pedestrian crossing,,, because,, u know,, pedestrians might walk out on the road or something silly like that...

 

 

 

Section 105 and 106 are about "methods for pedestrian to cross the road" they have not been translated... I think the information you refer to must be in there. That pedestrians must wait until it's clear etc... But notice also that motorbikes etc must stop so that it becomes clear. 

 

 

 

http://driving-in-thailand.com/land-traffic-act/

 

 

Does somebody have a translation of section 105 and 106?

 

*edit* http://web.krisdika.go.th/data/outsitedata/outsite21/file/Road_Traffic_Act_BE_2522_(1979).pdf   This one has Section 105 and 106 ... It does not say that pedestrians have to wait for cars to stop.. It just talks about red/green light ... 

 

There seems to be no specific rule for unmonitored pedestrian crossings. So I think it falls back on section 32 that puts it in the motor vehicles responsibility to take extra care to not hit pedestrians... 

 

But again.. This is just laws .. and i'm not even sure if they are correctly translated or valid / current.. And now I probably know more about traffic law than the average traffic police... In other words,, the real law in unwritten here in Thailand.

 

 

 

 

*edit 2* 

 

I just watched the video again after reading the law. Now I can say with even more confidence that it was the motorbikes fault 100%. Assuming it was a zebra crossing. Because the motorbike was taking over the tuk tuk. And it's illegal to overtake within 30 meters from a pedestrian crossing!

 

Section 46 (400-1000B)
[The driver shall not overtake another vehicle when:
......
b. within a distance of 30m from a pedestrian crossing, junction, circle (rotary) or
railroad crossing

 

 

2 minutes ago, maxcorrigan said:

I would too, by stopping the foreign pedestrians think it is the same as in west where when one stops all the rest of the traffic will do likewise, not so here though so you would be putting the pedestrians in more danger by stopping, personally i think pedestrian crossing should be scrapped as i am sure a lot of Thai drivers do not know what they are for!

Yeah, but if I dont stop.. Then I could end up like the guy that is now being hunted.. and legally I would be wrong... 

It's a damn if you don't, damn if you do situation.... Stop = dangerous, Go = dangerous ... But I would say Stopping is more dangerous... Because most people know not to just walk out ... except these morons...

4 hours ago, nikmar said:

 

 

A tank. 

I just did the driving license test, and a tank is allowed on the roads during war time, and since thailand is under military rule,,, I think that counts as wartime :D

I wonder if it was a pedestrian crossing or not... 

 

If it was a pedestrian crossing:

Legally speaking: They have right of way. The motorists much give way, they must also slow down when they see the sign for "pedestrian crossing" that should be up on the road visible in  good time... So legally speaking it was the motorbikes fault, 100%... 

 

Rationally speaking, what an idiot that pushes the kid out into traffic like that.... They should know that pedestrians does not actually have the right of way in Thailand.. (Legally yes, but there is no traffic law enforcement in Thailand except for helmet checks.)

 

 

If it was NOT a pedestrian crossing:

100% the parents fault. Motorbike did nothing wrong. Except leaving the scene. I think he is legally required to stay on the scene OR go directly to a police station and report in. (at least this is common and seems to not be penalized, I might be wrong.)

 

 

So as for cause of accident, legally, it depends on if it was a pedestrian crossing.

As for leaving the scene, it's not allowed unless he went to the station directly.. I guess.. And he probably didn't.

 

 

Pedestrian crossings are very dangerous in thailand. 

I once stopped to let pedestrians walk, because pedestrians have right of way on unmonitored pedestrian crossings.

Problem is that the bikes behind me was not prepared and started breaking in panic and hit eachother. 

Pedestrians didnt even cross...

So now i always keep going even though pedestrians are waiting to cross.. Unless i know for sure that no nobody is behind me.

 

Somebody should push empty strollers out into pedestrian crossings and film it to raise awareness.

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

There are a few more than that but perhaps it depends on how big a circle you draw.

We all probably have different views but in reality we are seeing action against establishments either owned or catering to foreigners.....while such places that have been around for many years catering for locals continue. I struggle to see what harm they do. They are less aggravation to the neighbours than a karaoke bar!

The harm they do is stated very clearly, they harm the image of thailand... lol. 

1 hour ago, kiwikeith said:

Needle in a haystack.

Once they get their license in order buss as usual.

Needle in a needlestack is more appropriate :D

Clearly this is due to motorbike drivers not wearing helmets.

The only reason the bus driver was drinking was due to the stress caused by seeing all the motorbikes without helmets.

The solution is simple, crackdown on motorbike drivers without helmets. Set up more checkpoints where only motorbike drivers are checked for helmets.

How about legalizing and embracing the sex-trade instead of pushing it further underground where it will hurt everyone involved. 

If the tourists don't go there for sex,, then who is buying all the sex for sale there? Thais? 

 

This police guy reminds of Baghdad Bob

24 minutes ago, starky said:

Well how many outward opening bedroom doors have you experienced einstein? please regale us with your wealth of knowledge. 

Not a single one that i can remember. So there must be a reason, I wonder what the reason is.

Just give her a 5000 THB fine or something and let her go ... jail should be reserved for people that are a danger to people. This lady had good intentions and is no danger to society now that she knows she can't feed the fish, it was an honest mistake... Driving without a license however....

On 2/22/2017 at 3:32 AM, starky said:

Im an Aussie dont really know much about Sweden but in all my travels I cant remember ever seeing an outward opening bedroom door, they all open into the room dont they? If your entering a room it facillitates easier entry for a start.

What about when you exit the room,,, it's estimated that 50% of the time that a door is used it's for exits.  ...... people have literally zero brains.

Death toll for feeding fish = 0 

Punishment = jail, 100000thb bail

 

Death toll in traffic = extremely high

Punishment for driving without license = 200THB

Amazing

OP here. 

Just to clarify, I meant bathrooms and toilets both. And also bedroom doors. (I heard specifically that bedroom doors has to open inwards in Thailand due to bad luck otherwise)

 

Interesting that it seems like only Finland and Sweden open bathroom doors outwards. Reason for both seem to be safety related and related to not limiting the space in the already small bathrooms. Maybe swedes and finns have smaller bathrooms in general. Or maybe they are just smarter in general. Or maybe stupider. 

 

I still wanna hear more about if there is some ghost or luck related reason for Thais, nobody else heard that?

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, agudbuk said:

Locks, bolts and security works better on inward opening doors

Sent from my Grand using Tapatalk
 

That goes contrary to what I read about the United states. 

One of the reasons doors open inwards in the US is so that it's easier to kick in the door for fire/rescue personell.

1 minute ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

aw, bless, where are those mods to help you take a joke?

Forgive me plz. Im a swede.

38 minutes ago, jerojero said:

Your small home country may not be the norm elsewhere. North America, Japan, Hong Kong, UK....and more. All open inwards.

Yeah, it's easy to forget that swedes are not always right,,, on a sidenote, as a swede we grow up being taught that sweden has the best system the best laws etc, i was brainwashed, give me a break please

Jesus christ, 3 pages and not a single comment of luck/ghosts/spirits. Maybe they just think its better to open them inwards.

2 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

"I heard something about bad luck from my gf"

 

Was it, 1000 years of bad luck to you if you don't stop talking drivel about bathroom doors to me?

 

How about 10000 years of shitty luck to you unless you stay out of threads that you are not interested in? Mods plz?

2 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

you missed the point - we were discussing a toilet cubicle the M2 outside of that cubicle would have to be increased if the doors opened outwards

You missed the point, the m2 inside that cubicle would have to be increased if the door opened inwards.

7 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

i know why... space saving... all the doors I instal are inward because you save that swing space

So doors that swing inwards dont take space? Are they magical?

4 minutes ago, sipi said:

 What door?

I can wave to the neighbours.

It's the same issue with bedroom doors, for some reason they are always opened inwards in thailand. Nobody seems to know why... I heard something about bad luck from my gf, but she doesn't know the details..

6 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

1.  Don't get that !!  are walls inside Swedish toilets angled towards the opening door.

 

2.  Use stainless hinges or don't bother with a door.

 

3.  Most Thai toilet doors & locks are flimsy and some toilets you can look over the wall. 

 

4.  Fire safety in Thailand, emm OK,  l refer you to 3. 

1. Hmm, i mean if you open the door inwards, you need to have space for the door inside the toilet room. 

 

2. Yeah, you're right, should be easy to solve by using different materials.

 

As for safety / fire stuff.. This is from Australian friend:

 

"I thought toilet doors were meant to open outwards in case someone is unconscious inside. So they won’t block the door while you try to enter.

Also toilet doors are meant to have special hinges you can push the pin out of so you can open a locked door. 

 

They are called “loose pin hinges” and are required by law for some situations in Australia. Many years ago I use to sell door hardware"

Nobody else heard its like this in thailand because bad luck or ghosts or something?